A1 Alternatives

I want to know how these following mones match up to A1. I want to buy androtics only products and also fear the A1 side effect(I suffer from some periodic mild depression myself)

Mx412
IH
P74
P96

What is the general consensus on these 4 mones and how they match up with A1… is their any mone I’m missing that could actually work better then those 4?

Most of the threads I’ve found about fallout and a1 seem to be outdated, most the threads I’ve seen say that a314 is the base for a good fallout mix however I found in a recent thread people saying that a314 is no longer a good mone for this mix. ANother contradiction between old posts and new posts is people saying that p96 and A1 work well together in the past but now they seem to be in agreement that both together is overkill.

I’ve never actually used A1 myself, so I’m curious to know as well.
But from what I’ve read it seems similar to the effects you’d get from IS and P96.

I have used both and when I was newer to A1 and what I found is it will just kill a sexual vibe and can be to much. I have found this very thing when I mix in any combination A1, P96, and P74.

I save the A1 for the wife’s time of the month and for binding times when the sexual element is not so important.

With the P96 I save it for more heavier sexual/status mixes and really use it mainly with TUTH or A314 based mixes as it does not soften the mix like P74 can.

P74 I found for me 5-10MCG is all I need especially when used with IShine. Any more than that it becomes a balancing act between the A314 and P74 to get the desired effects.

First-up, suffering from depression does not mean you will suffer any ill-effects from A1 itself. This is a very specific reaction to the phero itself and is almost always sorted by carefully washing/cleaning the app point. Also IME it is more of a go-of the downers rather than full-on clinical depression. So for that reason, if you do suffer, it is a good idea to keep you A1 points apart from any other pheros so they can be washed if needed. This also holds true if it turns to stink - which it can do easily, esp if you are going in and out of cold/hot environments.

There are other tactics to using A1 that can help - For me, wearing it a a low dose for a few weeks, then washing the app point when the downers began hit, helped condition myself to its effects and I still give it a periodic maintenance outing to keep things good.

A1 in oil is also slower diffusing and easier to manage - for years now I’ve been mixing my A1 in oils for just this reason. Also the crusty/fallout properties of A1 do suit the sort of slow 'n subtle diffusion of oils. If you want the fast-hitting comfort/moderation aspects of A1 then a spray is probably the better option.

Also remember that A1 is often grossly overused in mixes and will still give you good results at far lower doses - So you may well find you need far less of it than you think. Wearing it standalone has got me good hits from as low @6mcg and even in a balls-out mix, I rarely need to dose much about 30mcg. This makes it much easier to use effectively and you don’t run the risk of A1 flattening-out/being in over proportion to other mones in a mix, which again is a common thing.

You can also reduce the effects short term by using something like IS but you need to factor-in topups and if you suffer from the IS-crash, getting that on top of the A1 downers is no-fun at all! Similarly, the non-AD product NAG has also proved very effective at managing A1 ill-effects for me in the last year. Almost eliminated them and with very good fallout effects but you can discuss that elsewhere. :slight_smile:

If you do want alternatives, then yes A314 oil is something you need to get to grips with as it is an integral part of many base combinations and can be an effective fallout primary all by itself.

Personally I have found the following base mixes effective at different times, around different women and in different environments:

A314/IH/P74 - Probably the nearest to A1 in terms of fallout/emotional engagement but it does need to be worked in a more definite romantic/sexual manner. Keep the P74 below 30mcg in the mix as above that it can get too “best friendly” or enter the realm of good professional mixes.

A314/IS, A314/IH and A314/IH/IS - Good entry-level fallout bases and very widely usable.

A314/P96 - Interesting one, not quite as widely usable but very effective indeed on a significant subset of women.

A314/P114 - Again, not as widely usable but useful around the sort of women who like their man to really take charge…! :slight_smile:

A314/P97 - Again quite limited but in conjunction with an overt sexual A314/P97 can be good for those into more extreme things - its a sort of “dark sexual”/obsession type mix.

Non-A314 fallout bases with good traction include:

IH/IS
IH/P74

These last three look very promising but have been poorly tested so far:

P96/IG
P81/P89
P84

Although I remain entirely unconvinced about it as a primary, P83 is also a very valuable secondary around fallout mixes - esp once a fallout is beginning to settle-in. Introducing P83 disinhibition at that stage in the right environments can help a very great deal in getting a developing fallout out in the open. :slight_smile:

Similarly Meo-Est is a very useful comfort/establishing secondary but that seems to be off the menu with AD for now and it was not without its potential problems for a significant number of guys.

MX412/413 were a worthy attempt to make a no-pain alternative to A1 and whilst they do the comfort/moderation/PMS aspects of A1 very well indeed, they are not at all good on the fallout/crushy side of things - so they are maybe better kept for the more immediate kind of mixes such as well moderated but hard-hitting social/sexuals instead of long term bonding mixes.

I think I used mx412 years ago when I first started buying androtics product(before the hiatus from androtics products) and had some success with it mixed with a314. I think I also had IH in the mix as well and I think that mixed worked out. I didn’t use it long enough to see if it was a good fallout mix but it definitely was a good attention grabbing mix that would make girls instantly drawn to you. I might bu mx412 again and field test it again.

I think the P96 oil is more fun than A1 oils I’ve tried. The P96 oil is a very similar feeling, but less intense and heavy than A1 oil. A1 oil works on a spiritual level IMO, and P96 oil works on an emotional level. P96 doesn’t have the same calming effect on women. P96 oil does to men what it does to women, while A1 only does it to women. Men have avoided me with some brands of A1.

My p74 is 7.5 MCG combined with IH(to go) and a314. How many sprays would you recommend at a minimum and how many sprays would you definitely recommend me not going over.

p74 is unscented/stealth the IH is not. I’m not a fan of having too many sprays of a scented product personally.

7.5 is a good starting dose and if there are any romantic/sexual intentions, I wouldn’t go over 30 in normal circumstances.

so 3 sprays max 1 spray minimum? 4 sprays is pushing it?

Try TAK instead of A1.

Depends on the situation and what you use it with. If you are going over approx 30mcg, you would be using a pretty overt sexual but if you want something more balanced, keep the P74 down.

Also, if you wanted to promote better “boyfriending” effects with an established partner then yes a higher dose could be in order - but this is more usable because of a prexisting sexual frame

A while ago, I found a post somewhere here suggesting that a combination of 2.5mcg of TAH and 2.5mcg of TAL makes a depression free alternative to a1. And that it works better than a1.

All I know is that it was a male user, not his name. And I’ve been unable to find that post again via Search.

That’s interesting have you ever tried it yourself or anyone else that’s active right now tried it?

No I haven’t tried them yet. I thought that someone more experienced than me might do a better job of that.

Although those two mones are mostly used by women, the original user was a male interested in attracting women, not gay men.

That sounds really interesting. I agree though I’ll wait for mobocaster or justintime to put in their opinion on the matter. They seem to be the go to guys when it comes to knowledge on mones.

I used this very combination years ago several times and wrote a report about it on here around 2010. Others have also used it and i know the person you’re referring to. I wouldn’t neccessairly describe the reactions i got as “crushy”, but nonetheless VERY warm, comforting and friendly. Only used it several times so can’t reach any conclusions yet. Not sure if it has A1’s imprinting and fallout abilities and neither does p96 in my opinion. Unfortunately A1 is without peer in the way it can make a woman feel. Conversely, it’s depressing side-effects on users limits its usefulness.

ineteresting. Could you please elaborate on your experience of TAK [outisde of a314] and suggest combinations?

I’v not done much with TAH and TAL. TAK and TAF, more but always found them a bit difficult in the sort of mixes that do best for me but other people here have done a great deal more - I would be looking back at their results.

I also have those single molecules and never really got to test them to be honest. The most info I have found on them is more in the women’s section and I think if you look up thread started by Tisha23 you will find quite a bit on all of those.

With A1 I don’t get the typical negatives a lot of other users reported. I have really good luck with even 10MCG of A1 in a mix while a lot of others wear much higher amounts. I tend to go much heavier on sexual/status type of pheromones and keep the A1 or P74 lower in a mix and it works great for me.