A314 and Bosshank

Well, I owe everyone an apology as i have had access here for quite a while but seldom come and have never posted.

A little about myself: A am a married (20+ years) low-key Alpha - that is until I get really torqued off - and then I am not so low-key. (I have however managed somehow to stay married. She is very forgiving.) I try real hard not to step in and take things over but … even when I am not in charge people have a way of turning to me for direction and answers. And that was before A314. I work in - actually about to retire from - a pretty much all Alpha male environment. I exercise routinely and do martial arts for part of my exercise regimin as well as for work.

I try to be friendly but do spook some women. I don’t mean to, but I do. I however prefer female personality types that are not intimidated. Interesting note: I recently started working with one such female in a social setting. We get along fine though she does defer to me. She is very upbeat, very friendly and very helpful with suggestions, etc.. At the same time I think the A314 vibe also keeps us from becoming good friends. We are merely friendly if you understand the difference.

I am however pretty popular with kids of various ages. I work with kids a lot in a volunteer mode as I have time. Sometimes been paid for it. I get lots of high-fives, smiles, “Hello mr. Bosshank”, etc.. My kids’ friends come over and it is “Hey Mr. bosshank, how about a game of foosball?” My response is usually “C’mon let’s go.” And I kick their butts, but we have fun. I hope - and think - they know that I would do whatever necessary to protect them if there was a problem.

I almost daily wear A314. About 1-2 drops. Wrists, behind the ears, and sometimes under the nose. I also use MX 172 - alcohol based A314. I will blast an occassional spray or two of this on top of the regular A314 when I want no mistaking who is who. I often augment this with other products - MX 237: neroli scented Ammo w/ TAA is the most common, or SOE, WAGG-N, or Instant Gentlemen to soften it, or IH to generate some conversations.

I recently posted a thread in the Men’s Forum about the reactions of an Alpha friend of mine when I go a little high on the 'none with the MX237. He is a good friend but he is somewhat jealous of my status/position and you can tell it rankles him sometimes from the comments. He is a good guy though.

Given all this, I will say that the A314 has definitely created positive influence in my life. People do a lot of unbidden things for me. They are doing the right things for pretty much the right reasons, but they are often doing things they do not have to do or would be expected to do. And sometimes it amazes the above mentioned friend how easily things seem to fall into place for me. I know at times it seems things just fall into my lap for no apparent reason and certainly not because I did anything. That to me is the power of A314 when combined with positive leadership. People around me jump on the bandwagon so to speak - often with great enthusiasm - and do what needs to be done. Usually without a great deal of direction.

The downside of course is that I believe that A314 generates a certain amount of distance between me and many of those around me as in the female colleague I mentioned above. Or another type of distance generated by success. “My” people - both work related and socially - are enthusiastic, hard working, and friendly. Often friends. But not good friends. There is almost always that certain distance with most.

Well, I hope this makes sense and at least partially makes up for my lack of participation up to this point.

Interesting.

Have you tried supplementing with IH, IO, or SOE around the women who are stand-offish with a314? If so, what kind of results?

I used SOE fairly regularly, let up for a while and am starting back again here recently. I use IO and IH somewhat often. I should probably do so more often.

Do you use some cologne over the A314? Perhaps it would help a bit.. just another idea..
Yesterday I wore a drop or two of a314 covered with a spray from a Fou d’absynthe sample… thinking the combination might do something interesting..

I canot use cologne at work - hence the Ammo with the neroli scent. At home I do use cologne.

Hey Bosshank cool post to start this thread off. You should come here more often despite this ‘issue’.
I completely understand what you mean when you say:
“The downside of course is that I believe that A314 (A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314) generates a certain amount of distance between me and many of those around me as in the female colleague I mentioned above. Or another type of distance generated by success. “My” people - both work related and socially - are enthusiastic, hard working, and friendly. Often friends. But not good friends. There is almost always that certain distance with most.”

I do get the same thing pretty much even though I am younger than you and only in a medium ranking position. I also wear more A314 that you (usually 3-4 drops but have gone up to 6-8 drops) and ‘temper’ it with friendly pheromone products like CTTM and WAGG. There is always some distance – even after that Beta-Nol in CTTM helps to create a really cool deep conversation with someone, afterwards there is still this ‘waryness’/’distance’ from people and I even feel that I want that distance. A314 makes people at least a little careful with what they say and how they act most of the time – it creates a ‘boss’ vibe and while you can trust your boss you are never really all that comfortable with him/her IMHO as that is someone you don’t want to make a wrong move with. In short, if you want to keep the benefits that you are having, you will just have to live with it.


If it was me I would probably not want to wear too much A314 socially though – wear it around work where you can make use of the admiration, treatment and the favours but if you want to become good friends with people I would go without A314 (or wear 1 drop max maybe which shouldn’t have much impact) in social situations. Also IMHO Androstenone (any sizeable amount) isn’t the best for making good friends with people either – though if you are an older guy than it might be fine for your peers (except for that one guy lol – there was always one guy in my social groups who was peeved by –None and it got annoying for me).


So you are left with the social pheromones which may make you seem a little ‘weak’ as being the best for ‘making friends’. By the way, I think the best pheromones for making friends are (in my order of preference): Alpha-Androstenol (starting new friendship, fun guy, good times, laughs), Beta-Androstenol (serious, deep and meaningful conversations, ‘spilling guts’, closer friendship), P74 (empathy, hang out and ‘detailed’ chatting vibe), TAA (powerful mood lifts, physical magnetism, ‘flighty’ confidence, picture of youthful attractiveness), P93 (has been said to be ‘sexual’ for Caucasian women and repellant for some non-caucasians, introspective at times but creates moments of real cool bonding and an ‘I get you vibe’ – think of it like the type of closeness you have with your best friend, they just get you), Estratetraenol (non-sexual magnetism, empathy, cuddly vibe, particularly useful to make male friends).


My personal favourite for making friends (because it mixed some respect with plenty of friendliness) was a combo of MX105, TAA, P74, and Alpha-Androstenol (the MX105 was a variant of A314 without some of the ‘heavier’ elements which is similar to MX134 I believe but doesn’t have the feminine pheromones that MX134 possesses). The classic ‘Scent of Eros effect’ (Alpha-Androstenol with some Androsterone) is also a great combo for good times, friendship, laughs but can make you feel a bit ‘lightweightish’.

Thanks for the feedback!

Also have a look at these recent posts – people feeling less separated with the latest A314 formula compared to the previous… So perhaps you could try the latest formula to counter your ‘problem’ (I will be getting some myself soon :smiley: )…

The Current A314 Formula- comparison of first impressions (The Current A314 Formula- comparison of first impressions)
toilofday (January 2008):
“ The Current A314 Formula- comparison of first impressions

I just received the current formula of A314 (A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314) and I’m impressed.

I haven’t done any field testing yet but I there is noticeable difference.

I applied 3 drops and 3 sprays of Instant Shine (Instant Shine Spray — Mood Enhancing Pheromone For Men - Alpha A314) version 1.1 and I feel like I have a classy club sort of vibe radiating through me.

I feel very much like I should be sitting on a red leather couch wearing a cream turtleneck with a leather jacket sipping gin martini’s with Notorious Big, and not even in a thug way at all. I’m talking real class.
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This is great, because it seems much more casual and what is socially considered “Presence”

It’s not so stuffy. I feel less like I should be wearing a suit compared to the old mix.

Now I know the instant shine has lightened up the A314 (A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314) substantially, but that’s a good thing as traditional A314 (A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314) was so hard to tame for me.**

I feel like pairing this with some mx136 (https://pheromonelabs.com/) to put more of an aggressively social alpha presence, but I don’t want to run to much taa so I’ll save that for another day.

Off to the mall. Peace”



Eshold1 (January 2008):
“I feel exactly the same way. I just recieved the new mix and I’m in love with it. I feel less “seperated” and “isolated” yet feel the same powerful presence as I did before. Fantastic.”

**Another idea is to combine A314 with the ‘connecting agent’ P83 (though this may be more useful at increasing ‘personal power’ than creating ‘real good friendship’. Some tests on the P83 (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314)/A314 combination posted just last month by Capone are pasted in below. Great work from him to try this out for us!

It is interesting that he says things like “I think it complements very well, IMO p83 is more emphatetic than purely social so it does not lessen the admiration effect of A314”, and “[With p83] I have had extra cordiality and some more friendliness but with respect, it seems like if I was a great man mixing with the normal people and I have chosen you for talking so you must try to make me happy (respect like with A314 alone but without shyness and unnaccesible effect but definitely with full admiration, it’s like if I highered his level not like if I lowered mine).”

Also he says “I like to imagine it like if you had some long years ago friend and you don’t want to dissapoint him doing something bad, or like if you had just met a beautiful girl and you feel a special connection that you don’t want to fuck (the connection, not the girl ) saying nonsenses, and you are worried about what you should do or say. It’s that kind or effect.”

P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power (P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power)
Capone (December 2007):
"When p83 arrived home I started using it with A314 and maybe a little betanol for work. I usually notice some envy feelings from other man when using A314+Beta Androstenol and mixing it with ****[[
[[[[[****https://pheromonelabs.com/](“Social Success Pheromone - Alpha A314”) (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314) (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314) (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314) (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314)togo, next buy is p83 (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314)+p74 for sure and… maybe PheroProof again (dreaming is free).

PS: Thank you Visionary for your -Androsterone+p83 extracts, they’re great for trying to understand this."

I had just woken up and may have been a bit sleepy.. :smiley::smiley:

Bosshank, thanks for the PM about your thread here, I don’t know what I could possibly add to Visionary, GwtW and Phoenix. I find much the same thing that you report. In fact I find myself using a Turn Up The Heat + Instant Honesty combo or an Instant Gentleman + Instant Openness combo for work instead of A314 unless I have a need for the extra authority that A314 brings to the table.

Turn Up The Heat + Instant Honesty is my “weekend at the hunting camp” vibe and Instant Gentleman + Instant Openness is the “friendly salesman you can trust” vibe. Each of those would be 2 + 2 sprays. Both work really well for my fishing/hunting clientele. A314 works best when I am dealing with sales reps, I also will use it more later in the spring when the store gets crowded and I need to make the shoplifters nervous. In fact I may add TUTH to it occasionally. I can’t remember who it was off the top of my head but somebody reported a “big irish NYC cop” vibe for that.

I would also note that the standoffish quality of A314 may relate more to the “alpha” character than the pheromone. Western lit alpha males from Odesseus to King David to Macbeth to Captain Ahab all seem to have similar isolation issues. I think most of us here handle it better.

I do have a bottle of the latest revision due on the next red and yellow truck. I am looking forward to seeing about the report that it is less cool. I’ll be sure to add my 2 cents when I try it.

Renny,

Do you use pheromones on hunting trips? Are you concerned about the scent? Many hunters go to great length to disguise or eliminate human scent.

No Gone, I have an outdoors store. The vibe is for my customers. Makes 'em feel like their trip has already started :slight_smile: . It’s just boisterous and friendly around these types of guys.

Well, if you want them to think their trip has started you could put on deer urine. The a314 is probably safer though.

I think, so far in my experience, the dynamic changes with the really good friends of mine. They seem more impressed than distanced or intimidated even with my wearing 4 drops of A314. I get the enhanced alpha vibe but in a natural manner. It would be awful to be like some Chinese emperor of old who no-one could speak their mind to. I have bags of fun and laughs with my friends even wearing high-dose A314. I am of course the centre of attention, LOL. I have tended to be the centre of attention anyway, long before discovering A314, it’s just enhanced, and my frame of “whenever I have been at my best socially” is just there for the taking.

Of course, people who you just have met, for the first time, or maybe for a few times, have less information about you to go on. One piece of information is the phero-signature. So, a casual encounter is, with A314, probably going to leave a person feeling reactive to the high-status vibe in whatever form they typically handle it. Repeated encounters might modify this depending on how you can relate to the person.

The A314-wearer knows himself that he has done something to increase his perceived status in the eyes of the other person, however, so I would think he can pace the other person’s feelings in order to eliminate the distancing effect. Maybe not in an obvious manner, LOL, not “I know you must be intimidated by my alpha vibe. But…”

I have not tried mirroring or any of those NLP rapport-building techniques while wearing A314. I have noticed however that people tend to mirror me! I wonder how it would go down with the other person, whether it would work really well or the person would feel mocked perhaps on some unconscious level, as if they were unworthy to be mirrored by the high-status individual. I shall put this on my “phero-to-do” list.

bump this up!