I’ve seen a couple threads mentioning 4-5 drops of a314 for aplication. How does that work out? I wore 4 drops with 5 sprays of mx208 and 17.5 mcg betanol. I seemed to have some pretty friendly results.
Catlord17, tacitus, Sigma, MarkL, others I may be forgetting, any thoughts or experiences?
My main work mix is 4 drops A314 and 2 sprays Instant Honesty x2 and it works like a charm.
I trialled my way from 1 drop up to 4 and there was just something about 4 drops that told me I’d hit the sweet spot.
I seem to get what I want and get it more easily than I am used to.
I’ve also noted IOIs from women around me even as I walk to work, which is an unexpected and entirely welcome side effect!
alright. Thanks. I was thinking more of an out of work setting. I didn’t specify
Heya toil, my take on this probably isn’t in the main stream. Here’s a bit of long-winded background to set the stage: I’m six foot three and built sturdy – I haven’t seen “thin” in the mirror since I was in my early 20’s and running six miles a day. Unless I make an effort to modulate, my voice slips from strong to authoritative to commanding; my normal speaking voice – not loud, just pitched to project – easily carries a city block or tops a noisy crowd. My posture and bearing aren’t exactly military (e.g. ramrod stiff / pinch your turd off at 45 degrees) but I am ex-submarine Navy and I can feel my spine stretching tall and I still walk a bit like an urban warrior, age notwithstanding.
I have the habit of looking just about everyone I meet or pass on the street in the eye, even those who are evidently mentally or emotionally unstable. I do not mind going to the places that others typically consider ‘scary’ – mentally / emotionally, as well as physically. Policemen who are usually officially aloof in their public presence ‘nod’ hello to me (first) surprisingly often and occasionally spontaneously call me ‘sir’. (No kidding.)
Please note, I’m not claiming any of this as something due to me as a result of anything I’ve done … it just happens. Maybe it’s because my dad was a Marine Corps master sergeant and I unconsciously absorbed his attitude, I don’t know.
What I do know is that unless I make an effort to avoid it, it’s easy for people to feel intimidated when they are with me. ‘Softening’ my social presence is almost second nature to me now, although I also have no desire to go to the “gentle giant” or “cuddly teddy bear” corners either.
So, given that background, I wear one drop of A314 … two in exceptional circumstances. I want the DHV and enhanced professional respect of A314 but I also wish to avoid becoming a “monster”.
For work, I soften the A314 with Spaceland – one spray. But notice that one spray is Spaceland is 50 mu of alphanol, more than in three sprays of Instant Openness; enough to take the distancing effect of A314 out of play. By the time that the Spaceland dissipates, the A314 has settled and mellowed.
A couple of hours later, I’m leaving work, and the A314 is riding in the back seat, an undertone – and Instant Shine comes out to play off of the quiet A314 vibe, creating a celebratory ‘let’s laugh and dance’ atmosphere that I support mentally and physically.
I think the mix that you used might be overkill in some circumstances, but in a smoky bar or dance club, it could be just the thing – you balanced it well. All I can say is that I’m fairly sure it would be over the top for me. In the few months I’ve been hanging out here, it’s become abundantly clear that every individual’s mileage may vary …
Hell, MY mileage varies, depending on how much sleep I’ve had and my emotional disposition. :o
PS: Note on my exception – wearing two drops of A314: for large meetings (100+ people in conference center) and for smaller group (a dozen people) meetings with more senior colleagues when I’m making a first impression.
I experimented with heavy doses of A314, mutant, and the test pack series.
Usually doesn’t work well with me outside of work, but I’ve seen some interesting things happen.
Aside from the usual distance that too much A314 can create in social situations, I catch myself acting very condescendingly at high amounts. A314 can give you a very powerful persona, but I really think you need to harness all of that properly. Funny thing is I’m usually not contested when I get in that mode, but I’m wondering what people are really thinking when I get like that…it isn’t really how I want to come off. As long as I keep myself in check it isn’t much of an issue, but I do feel a constant pull to assert myself over people when high doses of A314 ‘take control of me’.
This works well for me at work, because quite honestly I’m a small fry there and have no position to assert myself over anyone…pheromones or not. It merely gives me an enhanced level of respect and competence at work. Also at work I tend to carry myself in a more mature fashion (for obvious reasons) than I do outside of the office. I really might just be lacking the maturity to handle that big of a personality when I’m hanging back.
Actually had an interesting day with a high dose of MX102 just the other day. I was invited to a professional meeting with one of the other professional organizations on campus. The speaker for the meeting was an adviser for my firms direct competitor, and when I mentioned where I work he got openly very competitive with me in the middle of his presentation. I normally wouldn’t have minded it, but he essentially talked down on my firm using pre-programmed sales pitch BS which lacked any real credibility. I won’t go into the technicalities of how I rebutted all of that, but essentially the regulations I had learned about in my classes the week before simply wouldn’t allow for anything he said to be true…and he was backed into a corner when I called him out on that. I stopped short of completely shooting him down, because I’ve seen people do that and its really unprofessional. I let it be and allowed him to appear to have proven me wrong. No one else in the room has any real industry experience, so he probably appeared to be right. In my mind I knew he was talking out of his ass to save face though, and I was content with that.
Point is an excessive amount of A314 can make you a little too bold when you’re more in a position to hang back. Again, I often have to ‘check myself’ when I get in that mode, as I did that night.
Oh yeah I think I should also that I was wearing a heavy load of betanol (2 sprays Instant Honesty double strength) that night. Its funny how a mix of betanol and A314 will really make people want to talk to you, and actually makes people highly receptive to the accentuated boldness of A314. Makes for a good buffer actually. People just tend to eat up everything you say…they seem so highly attentive.
I certainly think for more conversational and/or intimate type of settings, even outside of work, A314+Instant Honesty would be a solid base for mixes. Towards the end of the night and after some drinks, I had a late night dinner with a lady friend (kind of a target, don’t know if I should go for it), and the residual effect of the mix was there, with a slight addition of TUTH. There was definitely an increased level of closeness to things…hard to put to words but it was very…penetrating?
Thanks guys.
I have found that my sweet spot is 4 drops, too. It’s about as much as I can handle before the ego gets out of control. I start acting like a millionaire, according to those who have seen it. In control, owns everything around him, but not quite over the top. For me, it’s about like becoming one of those guys women cannot resist by their sheer presence alone.
I usually wear 2-3 drops, not 4 or more, because the ego it causes is sometimes unacceptable, and because of the social awe effect. I want people to enjoy my company, not be so in awe of me that they can’t talk to me.
5 drops totally made me a cocky bastard. lol
Do you use any thing to buffer the a314?
I’ve tried three drops four different times now and I’m happy with it. Mostly because annoying men and women who know they’re annoying stay away. I feel like a father in a serious contemplative mood.
BTW I switched to that because wearing 2-3 drops of Ammo 1.0 (from a sampler) in a family setting (my target was there) is very, very bad. Remember what you have on. Don’t talk to underage girls or married women! That’s what I learned.
Anyway, so now I’m using three drops A314 if i even think parents or kids are going to be around. It’s a good match to my personality anyway.
sigh
Quicksilver
You got to be FREAKING kidding me Quicksilver! How can you make a statement like that and leave us hanging.
By God I have a good mind to BLAST you with -2 neg rep points for doing this to me, if I didn’t just spray myself with instant shine (J/K 
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Seriously you MUST report on this 
I don’t really want to talk about it. 
I’ll just say this. It seems that Ammo 1.0 communicates a “I’m horny and want what I’m looking at” vibe. Now that I think about it, I think Lor has mentioned a “I can have who I want and tonight you’ve caught my eye” vibe.
I’ve since surmised that if a mother smells that on you (or gets that vibe from you) while you’re talking to one of her kids she’ll draw an obvious conclusion. 
From what I remember the daughter (12y.o.) acted normal enough, I don’t think it had any effect on her. Sad. I wore it hoping to get the attention of someone else there, and of course you can’t turn the effects on/off like a switch.
I didn’t realize the power of Ammo. 
very bad experience and I’ll be dealing with fallout from that for a couple years. I’m in a somewhat closed community and the mother is kinda gossipy.
On the other hand, I know secondhand that mother was molested or something when she was young, and maybe the smell/effect of the stuff triggered something in her. I dunno.
Just … if wearing Ammo (and TUTH also, maybe) STAY AWAY from unintended targets. Only my experience.
Cheers later,
Quicksilver
I’ve been wearing 4-6 drops of A314 at work–a college campus–for the past month with excellent results. I’ve worn as much as 10 but 6 or 7 drops appears to be the point of diminishing returns. People are very friendly, receptive and attentive. I have zero intimidation problems and find A314 enhances both social and productive behavior. It partners well with my home brew of a 50/50 mix of alpha and beta androstenol or with Scent of Eros (Androstenol & Androsterone). After work, A314 dresses up nicely for happy hour with a few dabs of chemset androstenone or NPA and a few more zaps of androstenol.
I should mention I naturally have an extremely mellow and non-threatening persona. People tend to naturally trust and like me. I can wear inordinate amounts of androstenone without OD effects.
Finally, perhaps I’ve grown resistant, but I can detect no change in attitude or emotion when wearing large dosages of A314 or any other pheromones products. Actually I’m glad as it helps me keep a clear head. Some years ago I did feel a bit of a buzz immediately after application but that faded fast.
If she’s a hot mom whay not go for her? An older woman can really teach ya the ropes.
An older women is really a wonderful thing. More guys should consider that experience can more than make up for 20-something looks and/or spring loaded legs.
Buffer A314? Buffer? Bwahahaha! My good man, A314 is what I use to buffer other stuff! 
I suppose I could say I have buffered it before to take the seriousness edge off, and I usually do that with Instant Shine or maybe a bit of Instant Openness, but more often than not, I use that seriousness to balance other things. Usually I like the effects of A314 by itself better than having it mixed with anything. It really meshes well with my personality.
Anything “lighter” seems to kill it for me.
Uh, she’s married, and I’m good friends with her husband. He’s in a difficult position right now, because I now choose not to speak to the rest of his family. He and I chat during work, though.
Quicksilver
See that’s important to know. I appreciate you sharing that because I would not want to be found in that situation.
Just an edit and update to this. It’s been 4 months or so, I think:
A couple days ago the mom and I talked and she, out of the blue, offered a sincere apology and gave me some of the nicest complements I’ve heard in years. Although I still see no reason to talk to her daughter, it appears that the breach has been healed.
It turns out she was going through some personal things with betrayal by another person she thought was a family friend and was just paranoid of people that had relationships with her her and/or her family.
So, in short, the accusation wasn’t the fault of the pheros, and wearing at least 3 drops of A314 at all times couldn’t have hurt.
Cheers?!?!
Quicksilver
Side note: the “family friend” that betrayed them has created a situation that has put their home in foreclosure and has since been lost, they’ve lost 2 vehicles and are about to lose the last one through bank repossession also, and they may be going to prison for signing documents and starting up a business recently they didn’t know was illegal.
The only comfort is that it looks like the false friend is going to the clink also. Hopefully a different prison.
It’s a very sad situation, as they have two young kids, and they have had good intentions from the start. Their family, including their kids, have spent (for the past 20 years) and continue to spend most of their free time helping the disabled.
Being naive has a high price.