A314 + XiSt anybody?

Don’t fret, Jett. We’re all tough Alpha males. :smiley:

There is no hate here. Only profound disappointment in misplaced trust.

The fact remains that the author of this quote is solely and exclusively responsible for it:

“I used to make up some outrageous claims with some molecules just to see how many others would follow suit. It became kind of a game with some of us.”

It is an admission of dishonesty. Full stop. That said, and in the interest of good social relations with all board members in good standing, that will conclude my remarks on the topic at this time. I have nothing further to add. I think the quote speaks for itself.

I don’t see some.

Please don’t start one.

Personally, this thread is very enlightening.

I’ve been known to resurrect threads (on other boards) when I later realized I was wrong. I feel it is a requirement of honesty. (Apparently it was appreciated: I was later asked to become the admin of one million-plus post board, despite being only an intermittently active poster)

If I conducted an “experiment” like this, I would feel obligated to declare the experiment ended after a while and correct the post to explain. Doing otherwise converts even a sincere investigation into manipulation and trolling. Yes, we ‘test’ pheromones on other humans without disclosure, but making false reports is like lying to a girl in a bar that we are a [high status occupation] – sleazy/dishonest, not “investigational”.

This suggests a remedy. Look, I can imagine being curious about “me too” responses on a given forum. Just do it honestly, and DISCLOSE/LABEL later. If apparently NONE of those posts made that self-disclosure, it casts a taint on ALL that poster’s posts. If there are too many to find/label… that says something

With respect to any PUAs here, I’ve known a number of self-proclaimed PUAs who turned out to be disappointing people. Yes, we all have tricks and techniques, but people for whom a constant stream of pickups is their sole goal in itself. Bulk sex is pretty low on Maslow’s hierarchy.

As a big flirt myself, and out of respect/gratitude to the PUAs here who like to use (and post good reports on) pheros in socializing vs meeting an LTR, I prefer to believe that the jerks are only one subgroup of so-called PUAs, but it’s a very real and visible subgroup

This link may be germane:

Ads for male enhancement pill bogus, former exec says | The Columbus Dispatch

James Teegarden Jr., former vice president of operations at Berkeley Premium Nutraceuticals, said yesterday that he and others at the company made up much of the content that appeared in Enzyte ads.

“So all this is a fiction?” U.S. District Court Judge S. Arthur Spiegel asked about some of the claims. “That’s correct, your honor,” Teegarden said.

Correction

A previous post was inaccurate. This is the correct third-party quote:

"SteveO, who is a complete genius when it come to these things, stopped seeing results and self effects at one point. It was after several years of having great success with the products he loved.

What SteveO did to start seeing results again… He went on a juice fast for a month or two. I don’t remember all the details atm, so if you know any more about it, feel free to add it."

The question of long-term sequelae from very-large daily pheromone doses requires further study. With the exception of a few products (Pher**v via eBay), high-dose products (>10 milligrams per bottle) were commercialy rare or on-existent. Longitudinal test reports of 5-10 years will be required to examine neurosteroid downregulation of GABA A and similar receptors , if any downregulation actually exists. Current evidence is thus far anecdotal and inconclusive. But worthy of careful attention and caution.

Downregulation and upregulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia