I was not reading the forums for the last couple of weeks due to some work deadlines, so I tried to find the answer, but no use.
So, my question is very simple: Will it (ever) be back in stock?
Cool! Well, at least know we know the score.. 
I was going to wait for A314 to come into stock before ordering but, what the heck, I can play around with some others for a bit… Thanks for keeping us in the loop!
As a n00b, I don’t think I have ever seen this level of involvement from a manufacturer with its client base. Totally refreshing.
wow, i’m impressed with this explanation! i hope everything turns out for the best, so we can get even better products in the near future!
well, i’m not sure if someone has nominated an admin’s post, ever… a way to go, MHarris!
MHarris, will the new batches of A314 be different in one way or another? It’ll be cool to have a new modified version of it, but if not that’s cool. I LOVE A314.
I am sure everything will turn up well
and all the things will run smoothly again.
I remember that 2 years ago there was a huge problem again.
I waited for more than a month for some of the products.
You managed to resolve the problem then and i am sure you will now 
Thank you for the nice words. You’re very welcome!
I’m glad someone finds my writing of use.
Honestly, though, while I come here constantly to look at feedback on molecules, I don’t usually come on here to speak directly all that much anymore.
I much prefer representatives do it, following the early precedents I set up on the forum.
I’m very circumspect, so I tend to be too long winded for most people to read. (this also take away from the R&D time, since it takes me quite awhile to write) Other people can often condense what I say into much fewer words, much like a good editor shortens a writer’s copy.
Sometimes people see me as too logical, like Spock on Star Trek, while all I’m trying to do is be as factual and comprehensive as possible. I know people will view what I say as an authoritative source, so this simply my way of assuring that information people repeat is also as factual as possible.
I hope that if I write something out now, and do it publicly, then I won’t have to write much (or at all) about the same topic in the future.
Since you’re a new reader, I hope that explains in advance my long winded public posting behavior. I view my public posts sort of like position papers, ethical stances, and essential backstories. Things people should probably know. Explanations of sometimes incompatibles industries we interface with, etc.
I know all that can be off-putting on a one to one basis. However, no one else is available at the moment for one reason or the other (hey, it’s summer), so I’m all ya got for the next week or so.
If there’s anything else you want to know that’s beyond the scope of the topic here, then please post any questions you like in the “Messages to Michael” forum. I’ll do my very best to answer you.
The only risk you run is that I may write a short novel to you about something that really should’ve been answered in a paragraph.
Anyway, that offer is good for everyone. If I get enough questions, I’ll create a FAQ.
Wow, thanks! That’s mighty nice (and unique) of you!
Yeah, bruised lemons always have a way of finding their way into lemonade.
When I’m able to stay positive, and keep researching and trying different solutions, I’ve found I can fix and subsequently upgrade just about anything.
“Whether you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right!” – Henry Ford
Of course, I often have to fail more than I succeed, but who doesn’t? Failure is part of learning. As long as it’s not t**he same failure over and over, it means you’re one step closer to success. (or stated another way, you just gotta fail in a unique way each round!)
I have a batch with an alternate synthesis of rone in it, batch 22. That might even be available at the LA office for shipment.
It uses a completely different synthesis route of androsterone, with a different starting material, which means the “impurities” (the part almost nobody considers) should be very different.
The reality of the matter is that the content of the impurities sometimes has a massive effect on the end result, when the impurities themselves are “actives”.
I’ve talked at length with a biochemist friend at BASF in France (one of the world’s biggest chemical companies) about this. The chemical industry tends to keep knowledge about impurities a bit hush hush, but their contents definitely do affect outcomes in certain cases.
One time, BASF used a new method of making a certain color blue for blue jeans. The blue jean maker was outraged, since the pants didn’t come out right, despite HPLC analysis saying the chemical was something like 97% the same.
They actually had to find a source of the old starter material, and make it the old way, for it to work the old way.
While this type of thing doesn’t appear in literature much, there was a study not too long ago which actually focused on impurities that anybody could read. It was about anti bug spray or pesticide of some sort. They compared the efficacy of a technical (crude) grade of the chemical vs. an analytical (very fine, very pure ) grade of the chemical. Guess which one won?
The crude stuff!
In fact, it won by a mile. The analytical grade barely worked at all.
Turns out the chemical they thought was active wasn’t as important as one of the small impurities. i.e., was actually a chemical fraction, a very stinky noxious byproduct in the “impurities”, which was doing most, if not all of the work. Surprise, surprise.
That’s why testing trumps assumptions, even well formed scientific assumptions and theories, every time. Yes, it’s good to study, create models and practice good engineering practices as much as you can, but you always learn the most when the rubber actually meets the road.
So, anyway, we have this ultrafine version, probably the world’s cleanest version of androsterone, in revision 22. Sometimes ultrafines test better out there in the real world, sometimes they don’t. You’re free to try it if you want.
If you don’t like it, you can exchange for the more typical synthesis. That’s fine, and has always been fine. The chemicals don’t have any hard feeling or bear grudges, and neither do I in most cases. I just want to know what works best, or how something works differently out there in the world’s biggest laboratory: life.
As far as other special editions, what do you have in mind? I’m perhaps a little too overextended time wise at the moment to cook up anything new just this second, but I’ll certainly keep all suggestions in mind next time there’s a time opening.
That would be awesome MHarris, I was always interested in the older products like the A314 white cap mutant and wondered what users felt with that accidental mistake of an A314. Although that was way before I joined Androtics, but something with a different scent would be cool too, maybe a lighter oil so it can come out of the dropper a lot easier, or maybe even a more intense A314 like the one on LS claims to be. That’ll be cool but while still keeping the original of course.
Perhaps also making it dilutable like Raw Power oil, so it can be used in liquid mixes perhaps?
The base is very similar to the old Raw Power oil. Are you having problems diluting it? It should be very dilutable in etoh, and it should even be OK to dilute it with up to something like 40% water. I must apologize for being a little fuzzy on the exact %s you can add, since I’ve been working on very different projects recently.
The LS version of A314 is quite a bit younger. It’s more basic and stronger in the “Master and Commander” sense. The latest versions are a little more refined, as in more socially smooth, a little more multipurpose.
I’ve tried to tweak the “fatherly image” to be more the type of father a wife and children respond well to. A bit lighter, more joyous. I’ve also tried to tweak women’s responses in general, so it’s a little more romantic and awe inspiring, a little less subservience inducing.
Yet I tried not to make it so romantic that it would cause problems in inappropriate contexts. It may be sexy to some, but it’s still not sexual. I wanted to keep it that way so it’s work-safe.
i.e., Inspire awe as you may, but nobody should “jump your bones” wearing it, unless you purposefully take things in that direction with your behavior.
I could see how in positions of absolute power, say as a military commander, you would enjoy the simpler, more direct version. Or maybe you just enjoy that kind of thing. The overly strong “master” type presence of A314 actually disturbed me a little bit, since I like people to work with people more (with does require being taken seriously, yes), than I like to absolutely design their every move.
Nonetheless, the more dominant effect is also fantastic when you actually expect a highly confrontational situation with unreasonable people. That’s probably one of the best advantages I can think of for the early versions of the mix. The newer ones are fine for that, too, but if I had both, I’d reach for the older one. It will be even more effective in that context. It should absolutely silence your opposition.
Not sure we’d want to duplicate the older one when LS still has it in stock.
As long as the old and cherished social effects are available somewhere (doesn’t have to be here, LS serves people well), I’m more up to doing new things than I am in repeating the past.
I’d especially like to continue converting A314 to the spray format so I have more flexibility in making changes. The little spray bottles speed up testing enormously. It’s tough to make a little change and expect people to buy a years supply of a minor revision to experience what will admittedly be a subtle refinement. I can’t change A314 too much and still call it A314.
If I really made a major change at this point to the oil version of A314, it would be in making major additions to the formula, in large quantities. Like, say, adding quite a bit of P90. Adding enough so it’s actually substantial enough to call it “The P90 Edition”. TAB harmonizes quite well with it, too.
Any other “pairing” suggestions?
Awesome, and thanks for the information. I’m glad that A314 can be diluted as I didn’t know this. Reason why I asked is because I wear a mix I like to call Big Balls-A-Plenty which is based on IJ, A314, Spaceland, and IH so I was just wondering if it could be diluted just in case I ever got the knowledge to put all of this into a to-go bottle for easy on the go applications.
As far as a spray version of A314 I’m ALL for it, and I’d LOVE to test it. Perhaps using the new fragrance fixative used in MX289 to help make it last longer would be a good idea? That’ll be awesome.
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Awesome, and thanks for the information. I’m glad that A314 can be diluted as I didn’t know this. Reason why I asked is because I wear a mix I like to call Big Balls-A-Plenty which is based on IJ, A314, Spaceland, and IH so I was just wondering if it could be diluted just in case I ever got the knowledge to put all of this into a to-go bottle for easy on the go applications.
As far as a spray version of A314 I’m ALL for it, and I’d LOVE to test it. Perhaps using the new fragrance fixative used in MX289 to help make it last longer would be a good idea? That’ll be awesome.
289 was the winner of the Shine contest, yes?
Yeah, we could do something like that.
Even better, I now have a huge palette of new fragrance chemicals in, including some of the latest “captive molecules”, as the frag industry calls 'em. There’s more choices than ever now.
I also want to work on alternative to A314 called Chemical Charisma.
I made up a very successful Chemical Charisma mix quite awhile ago, in the form of MX252. It did not use the structure of A314 at all, yet I created a very A314 like effect.
It’s great to go for similar effects through very different routes.
It’s like driving to your friends house using totally different streets. Well, ok – it’s a little more than that. When you do it chemically, you do end up a different destination, no matter how hard you try to arrive at the same one.
If you actually tried to get your buddy’s house in real life, and ended up at a slightly different destination… well, I don’t even know if you’d be let in, let alone accepted as a buddy!
Back to the mix, though. MX252 was so effective for my personal testing, btw, that someone actually called our office asking for me the day after my most major tests. They described me as one of the most charasmatic people they ever met, which I got a real kick out of. Rarely does a young mix match it’s intended result so well.
As you might be able to guess from my writing style, btw, this simply isn’t true. Oh sure, some incredibly technical folks think I’m suave, but not exactly the man on the street types. The mix completely changed how people perceived me, and my social positioning. Much like what A314 does, but with a different set of advantages and disadvantages.
Despite how it seems to dazzle heterosexual men, MX252 seems much more romantic to heterosexual women, as well. It does cause that instant, almost fanatical bonding with certain women. It could get you “in trouble” sort of rapidly, whereas with A314 you have to work a bit harder at getting yourself in trouble.
I’d love to pull that mix apart, and try different variations.
Heck, I’d also like to forget everything about the mix and try off the top of my head to recreate the effect. I should probably do that first, so the formula isn’t fresh in my mind. i.e., so I create a completely different “third” route to the intended social effect: augmented, all enveloping charisma.
That would be amazing, I had a similar effect with MX320. It seemed very suave that the word Instant Charisma even came to mind, but since it’s an MX who knows what’s really giving off this effect. It did seem very Androsterone like though, to me that is. And a little bit more amped up than IG, but as mentioned who knows what’s really in it.
I think you’re going in the right direction with this MX you’re planning on working on MHarris. Reason why, is because although I LOVE -none I know most females don’t really respond well to it plus there’s the negatives to ponder about as well. However, with a mix like this I can see how great it would be in the form of attracting women without fearing pushing them away with that -none type of feel some women don’t like. So an alternative to -none besides what we currently already have in the form of IG and such would be awesome. It coming in a new awesome yummy scent wouldn’t hurt either, the same mix coming in two scent with one being for strictly daytime wear and the other for formal nighttime (something with tobacco or incense, very dark almost) wear would be great (think romantic night out on the town looking very dapper in conjunction with the effects this MX will give.) Sounding very awesome!
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A314 is the reason i love androtics so much.
I am not that interested in the female attraction pheromones at all. In my kind of business i am with females all the time and i do not need pheromones for them.
…it is interesting to experiment with them 
but not that much.
i can handle the women pretty well
So the main reason i got so much interested in pheromones is the A314 effect(from back in 2007).
I meet allot of people every day and my work is associated in talking with them. So A314 changed allot of things for me.
As a long time abuser of A314 i could say that i like the old A314
(it was a little harder) And this is a good thing for me.
I do not use LS( because their shipping to my country is ridiculous)
so i will stick with the new versions of A314.
So why not make it better.
My request is.. PLS do not make A314 more sexual ! there are plenty of sexual products out there.
I think its a good idea to have one more version of a314. One more social. and one more business type.(hard)
One for the daily work. and one for those special meetings /
interviews .. that everything depends on you.
NOW this is a gread idea. Count me in for the A314 P90 edition.
Personally i started to create a mix of my own for business usage only.
some of the mones are
P96,TAA,P90,P91,P74,P79,TAC
I think a TAC heavy version of A314 will be a good thing too.
Or P96.
If you come up with something let me now. I will test the new a314 in no time (A 10mil bottle of a314 lasts a month at my place)
I was really hoping to get some A314 this week, but I ran into the out of stock message. So I decided to get CTTM To Go, and Spaceland. I found some A314 over at LS and purchased a bottle of it from them. I couldn’t find any bad info about LS and their version of A314 on here so I decided to give it a try.
BTW I really have to say that I hated shopping there.. Not because of anything LS has ever done to me, but because of the excellent way you folks treat me. It’s pretty bad when you feel like your cheating, because you buy a cologne from somewhere else 
I really look forward to when everything is up and going strong for Androtics again, because I really look forward to buying your version of A314. I’m still kinda learning about your products, so I haven’t dwelled into the Experimones and such. I like to know what to expect, and theres not a whole lot of info on them 
Oh and one Suggestion… Maybe a Cover scent using the Neroli, been wanting to sample it for a while now
so i tried searching for this “LS” place and i dont know if im lookin at the right store
http://www.luvessentials.com/pheromones_men.html
is that it? the Confidence Enhancer
they have alpha at love scent… is this the same alpha as here.. i mean exactly the same? if so why aren’t people going over to love scent to buy it there? i’ll do it myself.
The a314 sold as ls is an older version made by androtics for ls… it should work fine because the formula is pretty much the same (~80% -rone + steering molecules). Though it is cheaper per ml to buy from ls, by buying from androtics, you help cover research/manufacturing costs and help to make a314 even better with your feedback.
Lovessentials will not stock A314 as the place that has it is http://www.love-scent.com That is if they have any left in stock because of the extra demand on it by dedicated users.