It really makes me think of those studies on animal cultures you see on the discovery channel all the time. You know the one where one alpha male intrudes another alpha males territory… they go at it until one goes running away with their tail between their legs. If a man who is in a dominant position (and possibly insecure about maintaining that position) within a group is introduced to someone who is enhanced by the presence of A314…it feels to me like an ‘invasion someone’s territory’. Some men may retaliate against the presence of that type of challenge to their ‘territory’. Again its something that has only happened once or twice within the over a hundred of times I’ve ever used A314, but it has happened.
I notice the same thing after a while. I’m not particularly old myself (22), so there are times when A314 can create an overly mature, perhaps authoritative type of projection. I used to love the sense of sophistication it created when I wore it out to a bar or club, but I have always noticed a sense of distance in my club mixes. I always attributed this to the heaps on one I used to wear, but after reading the responses of the posters here (probably from you in fact) I eventually phased A314 out of my club mixes. Consciously carrying myself in a more inviting fashion helped to alleviate these types of effects, but it nonetheless didn’t feel like an appropriate product for me in that settings. It might be for some, but again I’m pretty young around here.
Don’t get me wrong I love A314. The effects of A314 are far more pronounced than others, and it works wonders for me professionally. Because those effects are so pronounced and potent, however, I think it is a product that one should be mindful of when using it.
A314 is one of the products I have the most experience with, but I make no bones about saying that I’m still learning about it. This was somewhat unexpected because my paradigm up to now did not include “alpha angst”. Up to recently, I have not been socializing a lot, and I have never been perceived as a threat to anyone.
But it makes good sense now to think that if not both suspected reasons are having some effect, then the ab-reaction idea has a good probability of being the effect. It was just not something I was looking at from a point of view that suggested any threat to anyone else’s alpha-ness.
This is interesting. I’ll have to wear some less intimidating mones around him and see how he responds.
@tacitus
Thanks for the tip. I’ll look up those books at the library Currently reading Claude Steiner’s books.
To borrow from Eric Berne’s TA : I’m OK, you’re OK. That’s the approach I want to accomplish when I wear A314. I want other males to be at ease (in their own skin) while I am bathed in A314 cloud. I want the competition to embrace me, rather than being defensive or challenged to oppose (@work or @play, one of the true ways to get things done).
Nothing is being taken away from them. Nobody’s “alpha-uniqueness” is being compromised. Every male perceives their own “alpha-uniqueness” being true, at some point of time in their lives.
Large dose of A314 could bring respect, sometimes forcibly too. It could build resentment & “attitude-ricochet”. Issues which I’d like to avoid.
A few candidates in mind : WAGG (approachability), EST (at ease), TAC (warmth) to males. Some unknown -mones as well, MeoEST & P74 (undefined territory). The feminine mones TAH & TAL could help. I’ve yet to pin down the “good dosage” of putatives which works for me.
The “attitude-ricochet” problem seems to be aligned with ODs of dosage and/or response. This condition happens with almost every product. Individuals exposed to mones gives dramatic responses & experience “buyer’s remorse” after examining their own behavior. They make a conscious choice not to repeat said behavior when interacting with wearer in future. Defence shields are up, a result of recoil from pushing the envelope.
A way for wearer to mitigate this issue is to share the responsibility for the direction the interaction is headed to. Don’t always take what they give you (mones influencing), also try to control your own passions. Set an objective, stop when it is achieved. Congruency into context of phero-cloud is essential (this is tough with so many mixes).
Over-dramatic responses will cut short long term prospects. I never thought of this issue when started using mones. This is an aspect rarely highlighted.
TAA is good for this. Mix the TAA with the A314 before application as TAA is the most fleeeting of the pheromones. Or carry a TAA recharger with you. TAA uncomplicates things.
As for attitude richochet , yes, when anyone is inconsistent with their self image they will be unsettled by their own behavior. That’s why I’ve learned to relax and not push the envelope when I’m wearing an intense mone mix. Especially when I sense someone becoming aroused or edged up, I become as empathetic and other focused as I can…
They reward is later, without the mones, when they have a memory of intense arousal, or whatever, they tend to be far more open, natural, relaxed… I think the femme brain is saying the guy is cool, he didn’t take advantage of a moment of weakness… so now with the ocassional use model I have a much better time, women show up more, the phero imprint is there for them to refer to, they feel safer not being in the grip of intense feelings…
With a large palette of mones to work with, I could “project” whatever “image” I want (with the right dosages & understood purposes). But the actual successful delivery & impregnation of these images is difficult to accomplish (via body, speech & mind) i.e congruency. Perhaps this is why some newbies take a longer & frustrated learning curve (me too).
Thinking back, I may have unconsciously undertook the role of a part-time actor from the day I started wearing mones. At times, I feel I’m not good enough for the role which I plunged myself into. I would fail under magnified scrutiny.
Mone usage should be accompanied by individual evolution (inner & outer game). Where should I begin in order to accomplish this? Acting lessons? Any short cuts possible? What should be the first step?
Seriously, the mones should come with a note describing what it does to others, plus what is expected behavior of the wearer (congruency tips). This is one of the good ways to start with. I’m having second thoughts about multi-product mixes until I can pin a good one.
There are so many factors. Actions which stimulate and challenge the limits of your behavior, and the limits of your self understanding, all would help.
In acting: Meisner technique is excellent for improving listening skills, learning how to focus on the other person… Meisner can be psychologically intense so you need a well grounded teacher.
Improv Comedy can make you more flexible, like doing mental yogic stretching, and make you fast in your responses. Some pick up artists work out with improv… it will give you more snap
On Camera classes. A must… you just haven’t seen yourself close to how others see you until you do On Camera… often sublimely shocking to finally witness your own stuff in action… I remember not even being able to recognize myself at first, my self image and my public image so unlike, how many behavioral tics , habits…and awfully boring too.. I never realized what a bore I was… well, who does, until their wife leaves them or their kids hate them…?
Other than acting ? Find a good NLP teacher or three and begin building your skill base. The world is becoming competitive as hell and you will need exceptional skill in many areas, rapport, congruity, metaphor generation, reframing, language patterns, slight of mouth, ecology, frame theory, and on and on if you plan to survive with any style whatsoever…
Bingo. This perfectly explains the experience I posted on another thread wrt Impi. Somebody should make this thread sticky… And I agree about the helpfulness of a guide to behaviour to accompany mones. There is so much that one figures out the hard way sometimes.
Maybe something along the lines of what’s written in RAW POWER product page (bottom section). It is very well written & covers important aspects wrt androstenone usage. An impeccable guideline to using androstenone, which requires objective mindfulness (less you succumb to none effects yourself, another is BNOL).
These suggestions are important. Please read every word.
First some warnings…
Do NOT use this for work or other normal “day time” activities, unless thoroughly counterbalanced with products such as Alpha A314 and Instant Openness to “lighten” the effect. Androsteone used alone in the quantity found in Raw Power is far too aggressive for most working environments, unless you are over 40 or 50 (see below)
Do NOT use around children for extended periods of time, unless thoroughly counterbalanced with products such as Alpha A314 and Instant Openess to “lighten” the effect. Many children are averse to high levels of androstenone.
Do NOT even bother with the purchase of Raw Power if you’re already too intimdating to most people. It’ll only increase your perceived intensity. You’ll find much better luck with low-androstenone products.
Now for the “do’s”…
DO use Raw Power on dates, especially 2nd, 3rd or 4th dates. Use more as you want to “Turn up the heat”™. 1 drop on the 2nd or 3rd, then 2 drops on the 4th.
DO use RAW POWER to get attention at clubs. Androstenone is one of the most effective pheromones at garnering male attention.
DO use RAW POWER when you want to present yourself as intense, and even physically powerful. Androstenone is a pheromone that communicates physical strength to others.
DO experiment with using RAW POWER in more social contexts when you’re over 40 or 50. As you age, your hormonal output drops, and so do your pheromones.
By 40 or 50, you may be ready to supplement with androstenone even in the day. By 70, most men have absolutely -no- pheromonal output.
If you’re in your 40s or middle age, you may elect to try 10 mcg in the day in your working environment. If it doesn’t work, try something weaker.
DO share your RAW POWER with your friends, but not your “competition”. Pheromones can be powerful and very helpful. You could really help some of your friends by letting them in on your little “secret”. You’ll certainly impress them with your insider knowledge and access to the rare and unique technologies.
Plus effective ways of cleaning clothes & application spots, avoiding buildup, product storage etc.
These guides could be stickied in the forums, but not at the product website. Most people could start & do well with firstly : “what not to do” (ODs etc) about a product before looking for a hit. That should be one of the first tips to get a newbie going.
Practising these tips will increase wearer’s perceptiveness & observation skills. Also beats searching the forums for similar info.
Currently reading Claude Steiner’s books.