Is it possible that A314 could cause an abreaction in someone who was repeatedly exposed to it, but who would normally be the type to avoid a person wearing it? I have this as one of two possible conclusions to an odd situation that I have recently been made aware of.
There is a post about the DAS
or “dysfunctional attitude scale” … for reasons we don’t fully understand, those persons who score high on the DAS may be attracted to cult involvement or human potential movement trainings where there are rigorously structured behavioral norms. My observation is that some people who appear to be high DAS attitude types, see:
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychological-profile-tool-for-das/82
have difficulty with openness, loosened forms of interaction, being “natural” is perceived as disobedient or overly lax, say with authoritarian personalities, always follow the party line organization people, those with overdependency on strict adherence to religious tenets, people with a lot of must-do believes or should-do beliefs, (basically obsessive and compulsive rigid personalities)… or those with paranoid mind sets, i.e." if I relax I will be taken advantage of " mentalities, can 1, begin to relax and feel comfortable, less internally ordered around, more organic and free flowing in the presence of the right pheromones, then, 2. abreact by activating a defense wall because those qualites that one would normally experience as positive, interesting, life enhancing in a well balanced personality may be experienced as threatening, foreign, or somehow forbidden to a strongly authoritarian, paranoid, or obsessively rigid personality. IMHO, rigid mind sets, however you want to label them, feel off balance when de-rigidified, and their “solution” to feeling suddenly un-rigid is… what else ?..more rigidity, better rigidity… more better rigidity… uptighter more inflexible better more rigidity… like a muscle that is overstretched then goes into a cramp that intensifies its own cramp response… no phun 2 B like that…
I’m not really sure what’s going on with this guy… he’s acting strange. It’s got to be either that he’s ab-reacting to A314 as a perceived threat to his masculinity, or he’s racist and isn’t smart enough to see that he hangs out with my assistant just like I do.
Look, if he has masculinity issues ( overcompensating hard for feeling inadequately masculine or buying into an overloaded male identity construct ) he’s got to be working hard under his skin to keep the masculinity going … maybe his dad slapped him around and called him a faggot or some abusive dynamic like that to “toughen him up” , or he could have grown up around an unhealthy sense of competition, zero-sum players who think every thing you win is an equal thing I lose… so they invest a load of energy putting others into loser mode… the problems here really isn’t pheromones, it is a belief or a cluster of beliefs about the meaning of masculinity or the male identity. In contrasting feminine terms it can be like the old fairy tale Cinderella… the stepmother is so obsessed with losing her feminine identity ( and being displaced by her daughter ) that she has to wilfully damage her daughter’s self image… fathers with deep seated identity issues can do that with their sons as well… this produces guys with the always-on-alert-for-putdown style, guys who are forever proving themselves, guys who have to get the girl, have to win every game of pool, have to have the last word… at the belief level it is all about psychic survival**…** I give these types plenty of room, always accentuate the positive, don’t become caught up in competition dynamics or put down games, “flow” their thoughts rather than challenge them, and learn to be elegantly impersonal around anything that might get charged for them.
Or to put it in plain language for you Catlord. Not everything that people do, revolve around your damn pheromones!
Down girl! Ease off! Back, back!
Sorry dude, but when someone is in virtually every thread and everything that happens to him seems to always revolve around the pheromone mix he’s wearing, I get a bit dubious of that poster. I used to enjoy Catlord’s posts and often times he adds some value to a disscussion. But, diarrhea of the keyboard tends to distort any credibility in my opinion. There is a huge difference between useful Phero information and clutter.
And NO, I’m not the same Elana that used to post every 3 seconds at L-S.
We all have a tendency to attribute a lot of social behavior to pheromones when we are wearing them - some more than others. And it very hard to separate normal interaction from pheromone induced effects. However, you disrespectful and angry tone detracts from your credibility on this topic.
Nonsense. Pheromones are a natural part of life. And for people to constantly attribute everything that happens to people around them is silly. Pointing out that some people clutter forums does not detract from any credibilty that I have.
And it isn’t that difficult to separate normal behavior from something out of the ordinary. Maybe that difficulty for you is a reason to challenge your credibility.
Predestination or Free Will
this was the false choice in the old debate, did you truly have free will or were events predestined with the surface look and feel of free will ?
Modern views about consciousness are closer to the pudding model, it is a matrix that contains nuggets of great self determination, insight, ability to creatively generate new outcomes, then there are also nuggets of robotic behavior, cruise control, “fate” , places where life lives you instead of you living life… and a lot of “in between pudding” making up an intermediate state of existence.
Pheromones appear to sometimes open things up in the direction of greater self determination and other times they narrow things down into robotic behaviors…
Interesting, broad spectrum mixes tend to gently but effectively move behavior patterns into the opened up, high functioning direction… however, there will always be those examples of people who are inherently
self absorbed, frame narrowing, reactive, conflict oriented (or perhaps overly reality avoiding, escapist personalities, the guys who are always lighting up a joint…). Depending on a number of factors, like what the current context is, how self conscious they are… a mone could produce a relaxed, insightful frame of mind, or it could produce a defensive, boundary oriented frame of mind…
Depends on which consciousness nugget you’ve tripped over…
Right..
In which case, you know about her HOW, exactly?
..I should say dear, that you rather just hoist yourself by your own petard..
People in glass houses and all that..
This is a good place, a great convivial forum, and nobody noises anybody else up - nor do I think such activity will be tolerated here…
Ail 
chuckles lol
Elana, you don’t seem to have read my second post in this thread very well. I said it was either the pheromones, OR that he’s a racist. I don’t attribute everything to pheromones, but I can see how it might seem that way since you only see what I post, and not the full scale of my interaction with others. This is a pheromone board, after all. And I am always trying to see what is pheromones and what is not, but I’m sure I am not perfect at it.
By the way, to say it’s not that difficult to separate normal behavior from something out of the ordinary tells me you don’t use pheromones much. I, on the other hand, am constantly testing new mixes and pheromones, and sometimes it gets to be hard to tell what’s pheromone based response and what’s not. This tends to challenge your credibility in the eyes of someone like me.
Furthermore, what you see as diarrhea of the keyboard, I see as alleviating boredom. Believe it or not, a home based business does get boring to run sometimes. Perhaps others share your view, but my aim is to interact with people. I enjoy the conversation I have here, and the fact that there are so few people who attack eachother with abandon, as I have seen on other forums. I have to say, if you are not the same Elana as was posting at LS, you certainly had me going. She had the same attitude you opened with, from what I recall reading.
A word of suggestion about that, by the way. If you open with a negative attitude and an attack, you will not make a good first impression. And, of you don’t like my posts… just don’t read them! That’s the beautiful thing about a forum. You don’t have to read the posts from people you don’t like.
What detracts from your credibility is that you open with a negative attitude. You are pointing out your opinion, which is entirely valid, but there are more tactful ways of expressing yourself than what you chose to do.
I don’t have a problem with you, or your expressing your opinion. You could learn to be more tactful in how you express it, however.
I’ve noticed similar things while wearing A314 on at least one occasion. A314 projects a very bold and pronounced image of…I guess you could say masculinity. So long as you carry yourself accordingly, most people take to it very naturally, however there are those who seem to feel threatened by these types of perceptions. This can cause others to lash out at you directly, or in your case, abreact to repressed feelings caused by A314. Again its happened to me at least once when I first started using A314 (I honestly think it was the first time ever I applied it), but that particular person seemed to grow more accustomed to the presense of A314 after repeated exposure to it.
What’s with the hostility on this thread? I like it here because the environment is far more conducive to actual pheromone discussion. I really hope we don’t start to see a lot of the things that I’ve seen in other forums.
I’m still on my trip, but dropping in for a sec, this does concern me.
Sometimes when dealing with a keyboard and monitor, our minds play tricks on us, and we’re not as sensitive or polite as we’d be out there in “real life”.
I think it helps when you realize that it’s another flesh and blood human being on the other side of the monitor. More well meaning, than not.
I think all differences can be easily settled, or at least reduced, by just realizing that we’re all human… we all want things that are more similar to each other, than different.. we all want good lives, where we’re liked (or at least tolerated) by passerbies and loved by friends and family…
I think it’s great when we all get along due to our similarities, and find each no less than fascinating because of our differences.
When I wear a large dose of A314, I do sense that some males are uncomfortable around me. Perhaps they are not comfortable with their own masculinity, while in the presence of another pheromone-boosted male. Some of them displayed domineering body language. One of them (my boss) used to be in the army (that was his career till now), both his arms were placed at the side (waist level), the whole time he was talking to me. Not to mention the occasional index finger pointing, which is rude.
I’d wear WAGG or EST & the problem goes away. It’s fair to note this, while A314 gives positive impressions to females, it could mean something else to other males. Especially if these males are insecure.
We underestimate how much of our behavior is patterned
“life experiences” … however you care to define that… install clusters of learnings in us, new ways of comprehending, and they also install clusters of behavior patterns, automatic, unthinking behavior patterns.
A goodly part of conscious expansion like meditating or activitites where one is pushed outside of onerself or beyond oneself IS the act of being made aware of the unrelfected, automatic, unthinking side of one’s nature.
It is always surprising, sometimes dowright shocking, ocassionally horrifying to suddenly shift perceptual position and “see” your own stuff in all of its freakish glory. It is so easy to see everyone else’s wack behaviors, twitches, idiot patterns … and boy when you get a good look at your own… sheeeeeeeiiiiittttt…
Face it… we live in a world with low quality social feedback for the most part, with the advent of cell phones, Ipods, and on-line life we’ve devolved to ( yep, we’re in a era of gross social devolution… as well as genetic devolution… for obviously non-obvious reasons our collective DNA is becoming rapidly crapped up, and I don’t mean our social DNA, I mean our physical, bodily, structural DNA… but that’s a scary biology story for another dark and stormy night in Transylvania) well, yeah, we’ve devolved to a more socially primitive state while enjoying exponential technological advance…
Figure it like this… if pheromones can act as behavior releasers, and we’re in an age of diminished immediate self awareness (which we are, in spades), and a major part of social training, social development, social maturation… IS refining an artful balance between the the meso-limbic system (the aggrerssive, fearful, hungry, humpy-sexual, shy-withdrawing, behavior patterns and behavior tapes, deeply programmed attitudes part of the self) AND the neo-cortex (the self aware, behaviorally sophisticated, creative, observant, inhibitiory, generative part of the self) you can expect more monkey cosciousness to spontaneously make itself known, through unmediated behavior patterns, ranging from monkey luv, (boobing and butt displays) , monkey alphaness (fingers and arm gesturing, turf guarding, challenges), monkey betaness (feelings of withdrawal and invisibility)… pheromones are monkey communication chemicals that speak directly to our monkey nature… If it’s Crown Chakra activation you are after you may have to look in another building… pheromones ain’t Crown Chakra energy…
@tacitus
Your recommendation at LS on reading Eric Berne’s works are most insightful. I’ve learned to view my own thoughts & responses in a more enlightening way. Transactional Analysis (TA) really provides a method to explain the motivations of oneself & others. Thank you for the tip 
There aren’t many books available from Eric Berne, some are quite old & not easily found. I’m not too sure about the works of his students. Do you have other recommendations wrt these books/materials?
TA combined with body language & effective communication could bring interactions to a whole new level. I’d recommend this approach than those seduction materials. Thanks.
I’ve mentioned this many times before with A314 mutant, but nobody believed me.
The space is unusual. It’s like when you hang around your friends,and the boss appears. That’s how I feel when I step in the building. A314 is great for older men, but for younger men, I would reserve it for a professional setting instead of a social one.
I think this is the 3rd time ive said this here.
TA either fizzled out or was swallowed up… it had the advantage of being practical, free of jargon, and actually applied to real life situations. I think the problem was commercial… it was too simple to base trainings or other high mark-up products around, and OTOH it was too blunt, too close to the bone of emotional reality for most people… the general readership prefers the comfy generalities of a Wayne Dyer, say… nothing to unsettlingly specific…
(Wayne likes to say gassbaggy, easily lived with truthy comfortisms like:
"As you work toward becoming a spiritual being as well as a physical being, you begin to live more and more consciously within the invisible realm. You begin to know that there are senses beyond this physical world. Even though you cannot perceive it through one of the five senses, you know that you are a soul with a body, and that your soul is beyond limits and defies birth and death. It is not governed by any of the rules and regulations that govern the physical universe. To be a spiritual being means that you allow yourself the option of being multi-sensory"… yeah, thanx fella, we can really put that to immediate use )
Mystery Method, in its way, is an offshoot of TA and frame theory … what MM does is use framing devices to establish implicit parent to child (high compliance) transactions… the “compliance games” that MM has in its sequence manouver the subject into the state of the child interacting with a parent figure, on a psychological basis… which can be fun at a certain age bracket for a short while… grows stale as dry bread pretty fast though…
I do wish that Berne’s work had been enlarged on, made contemporary, and taught to adolescents before they went out into life to learn these things the hard (and all to often, expensive) way…
One guy who followed up in a very unusual twist is Stephen Wolinsky who wrote a far out piece of work, Trances People Live, if you can wrap your mind around it, might take two or three read throughs to get his point… quite mind expanding…, he also wrote The Dark Side Of The Inner Child which is better than it sounds and useful for understanding what makes people tick… especially those people who have just had their monkey consciousness activated…