Met a girl who is a little younger (22), and she had some problems when she was younger and I don’t want to use anything heavy like A314 with her because of the intimidation factor. My goal with her is to make her feel comfortable, safe/accepted, talkative and attracted to me.
I’ve got A314, IG, IO, IH, P74, P83, TUTH, Ammo, MX292. I’m going to get IS, CTTM.
I’m thinking CTTM + Ammo or CTTM + MX292 will be a good combo to make her feel comfortable, talkative and attracted. What are other people’s opinions?
And I’m also meeting a woman in her mid 30s who is already attracted to me. I think something like AMMO + MX292 might be better for her since I do not need to attract her since that is already present.
Ammo/CTTM2 is probably your best bet IMO. MX292 contains a fair whack of Androsterone, which severely limits usability around younger women - and using CTTM2 as a moderator would probably make it unviable because of its proportion in the overall mix. TUTH/CTTM2 might be viable in a club/uninhibited situation though.
IH/P74 is also a good combo for trust/emotional connection and IG is a far less and more youth-oriented smart/status product
What version of A314 do you have? The reason I ask is A314 is actually the best thing to use for that trust vibe. My opinon is that a single drop of A314 and a few sprays of CTTM would do the trick. Leave the None out. P74 would also be useful in very low doses. I mean like less than 2.5mcg.
A314 can be difficult around younger women though, with or without None - it is certainly good for trust but its inherent maturity can have them minding their Ps & Qs overly around you and some young women just don’t find it “cuddly” in the right sort of way. Which is not good for developing attraction.
I’d suggest dosing the P74 a bit higher - start with maybe 5mcg spray but keep it in the 5-20mcg range if attraction is you goal. More than 30mcg gets into “best friend” territory.
I’m considering the fall out effect over time with A314. True in the beginning Alpha, well at least older versions, can be somewhat intimidating, but in the long term it helps with image of trust. A314, with sufficient Nol’s can cause a crush effect that can be escalated over time especially with p74 steering. I don’t see any harm in a higher dose of P74 though. Of course personality plays a role into all of this as well.
If he gets friendzoned easily then too much p74 and Nols is going to land him there again.
A314 fallout can be really difficult with younger women - They get its status and often intimmidation but have yet to mature into liking its attractive qualities, which makes it more likely that if they do attach to you, it will be as an “older brother” or father/uncle figure. Only a relatively small number go sexually on an A314 sig from a young age and these are more the exception rather than the rule. So at 22, unless she shows positive responses to a test exposure of A314, I’d steer well clear of it.
Also the OP has indicated negative self-effect issues with A314 and IG in another post and although he’s a bit older now, it may not be the time to reintroduce them without careful testing.
That’s why I was suggesting IH/P74 or IH/IS combos - which both have a degree of fallout potential but are usable at a much younger age and are both effective sexual moderators for the likes of Ammo or TUTH, which will need to be used even at a small dose to keep promoting the sexual interest/tension.
Friendzone potential with P74 often causes a near-panic response with some people and they screw the dose right down and fail to get its superb emotional bonding/“Instant boyfriend” properties - If he has a small amount of None in his mix, then doses up to 20mcg are quite viable and he won’t need to worry about its overly friendly/nonsexual properties until it goes above 30mcg.
However the OP should be considering if a fallout mix is the way to go - 22 is young and she still has a long way to go till emotional maturity. She might not be the same attractive person in a year or two and it can be pretty hard to break a developed fallout.
Good discussion Mobo. That’s why I missed this forum. So the OP should use P74, IH, and IS, with None to stay out of friend zone. However he should really consider going for a woman that can handle A314.
FWIW, I met up with the woman in her 30s (not the woman I asked about originally, the one I made a comment about at the end of my post).
I used 1 spray each of AMMO and TUTH on the wrists. I don’t think there was any overwhelming sexual attraction on her part, but she told me a lot of personal stuff for a first date (problems with her family, her religious beliefs she says she almost never shares).
So I think that counts as a hit, but this was the first time I’d met the girl in person. She told me she was sharing stuff she normally doesn’t talk to people about, but like I said its the first time meeting her.
If I am ever willing to try A314 again (if I did use it, I would use it sparingly) I think with the woman in her 30s a mix of A314 and TUTH might work with her.
Women connect on a relational communicative level first. This is a definite hit. That’s why products like IH are so underrated. The ability to get past barriers is what you want.
I went to a singles event and I wore 1 spray each of AMMO, CTTM2 and IS. The IS was applied to the neck, the other 2 were applied to the wrists.
It actually seemed to have the opposite effect of what I intended. There were a few women who stopped talking to me mid sentence and went off to talk to someone else. I don’t know if it was just that they didn’t like me, or they were naturally rude or what but I felt like I would’ve been better off wearing nothing at all.
I did have positive reactions from some women, but I don’t know if that was due to pheromones or just a natural response. I don’t want to give the impression that everyone was rude, but 2 or 3 seemed almost disgusted by me and were not shy about being rude. But I can easily name 5-10 women who were talkative and friendly to counterbalance them.
Having said that, I have had many positive experiences with pheromones. I’d say A314 and IH give the most positive responses from other people. But I want a more sexual pheromone and I try to avoid the status pheromones like A314 and IG due to negative self effects. However when I got those negative self effects that was from when I had been using them (near) daily for weeks or months on end. Maybe using A314 for one day every now and again won’t have those effects. I’ll have to experiment.
What negative self effects are you getting from A314 and IG? If you don’t mind me asking, what’s your ethnic background?
Have you done a sweet spot test with these mixes? Tell us the differences between the women that were positive and those that were negative?
Here is my hypothesis. The women that were rude to you were drawn in by the Nols in CTTM and Ammo, however there was nothing there to keep their attention. This could be something they got from your personality or it could the lack of status. You have to be careful with socials like alpha nol because it can actually take away from status. The more intimidating you are the more socials you can use. Does this make sense?
I wonder if I just naturally give off a beta pheromone scent. I know I’ve said IH works well with me, but from what I remember of when I used it, I tended to pair it with a status pheromone like A314 or IG. I am caucasian.
I wonder if at the singles event I had too many pheromones and I OD’d on producing too many beta pheromones and women didn’t respect me. I don’t know.
Negative self effects of IG and A314 is after using it for too many days in too short a period I may get a split second of rage when I get upset. The problem is that there is a half a second before my conscious mind kicks in and tells me to stop. So I was worried I would lash out at people or do something I regret in that half second. So I stayed away from status pheromones.
However that was several years ago, and I was dealing with a lot of problems I don’t have now (unresolved traumas, problems at work, etc). I don’t know. If I did use A314 or IG, I wouldn’t feel comfortable using either more than 1x a week.
Hey, although beta-nol is called beta, it’s doesn’t give off a beta vibe. High doses of bnol can actually be intimidating. Unlike anol that makes people hi at high doses, bnol actually oppresses them.
I think you are young. Right? I’m not sure why you would get rage with A314 or IG. However, if anger is a problem consider a low dose of TAK to go with it. It’s hard to be upset with TAK.
I was just trying to see which pheromone caused you to go over. I’m sticking with aNol being an issue. You may have just seemed young, inexperienced, and low status. I used to carry a togo of IJ for whenever I went to heavy on aNol. One shot changes everything. Of course you have to be ready to back it up.
When I say beta I mean beta male vibe. Maybe I give off a non-authority vibe and women pick up on it, so if I take too many feel good (IS) or social pheromones women see me as a sexual non-entity.
Like I said, the status pheromones seemed to give me the most hits. So I may have to slowly work those back into my regimen.
I’m in my mid 30s. Why would IJ help counteract an OD of IO?
Because IJ is heavy None without buffers like TUTH. Instead it has enhancers to make it more aggressive. So with IJ added to a heavy social mix you would probably come up with something between Ammo and TUTH.
