hey guys and gals!!
douse anyone have any ideas on what else i should/could add to my arsenal?i was looking into p83 and hear it was good but, what is p83? and what douse it do/ have in it?? i need some advice from someone whose been using pheros for a good long time or maybe an expert! or just anyone who is knowledgable.my arsenal at this time is..ammo x2,alpha-a314,travel size instant honesty,pherone M-11.. i also have chikara coming in the mail.im open to suggestions! im trying to win the heart of some lucky lady!but so far i have had no real luck and even though im doing my part it seems futile at times! just looking for some advice! im 37 and ive never had a girlfriend..pathetic LOL 
ive tried all of my arsenal and ive seen minor results but nothing close to acheiving my goal..a relationship. im not into one night stands etc.. im too old for that stuff 
just want some advice on adding to my arsenal and possible combos etc! for at work and out..THANKS!!! feel hopeless!
May I suggest using the tried and true commercial products first. I would try them one at a time to find the “sweet spot” dosage wise. I would recommend the following.
IS (x2) 2-4 sprays sides of neck. Instant Shine will put you in a good vibe mood.
IO 2 sprays… one on each wrist rub together. Chatty conversation.
IH 2 sprays … 1 each top of wrist. Deeper conversation.
Ammo 1-2 sprays upper chest area. Sexy vibe.
This is a social get to know you mix … it works well … puts everyone at ease and in a talking mood.
I agree w/ reddog, stick w/ the baseline. Why do you think you haven’t had a girlfriend yet? Pheromones aren’t gonna cure this own their own. As you know this is a very informative and supportive community. There are some really cool chicks lurking about the men’s section that give sound advice to us “afflicted” males.:o Give us a little more info and we’ll give you the best advice we can. After all, that’s why we’re all here.
Good luck…Pheromones mostly failed me.
Don’t worry about it man…37 is till young. Just keep yourself in shape, take pride in your appearance and just be a cool all around guy. I mean do things that interest you, join hobby clubs, talk to people, make yourself interesting. Do things out of your comfort zone, this will build your confidence and get you to meet new people and make other things like approaching girls easier.
Most of us guys are all looking for the perfect 10 but we all have to come down from our pedestals and just have fun with people regardless of their looks. Easier said than done, i’ve fallen into this trap myself many a time.
As for pheros, they’re just something to aid you, THEY WON’T REPLACE confidence or make you a instant stud. First start with working on yourself.
Hope something I said helped you a bit.
:)great advice people!! i dont have instant openess yet but i think ill give it a shot..why not..
as for trying to meet people ,ive done tons of that and i go above my comfrot zone too…im a plus size male and women tend to judge me on that. i know pheros are a helper not a solution and im keeping my mind open!! and im not looking for a perfect 10 im just looking for someone i find attractive and has a nice personality. i like all different types of women i dont judge too much.but i will not go with someone i am totaly unatracted to either. just cant do that i think its fair to say that though, i wouldnt want a person forced to like me either..thanks guys!good stuff!
what is that PHERONE FORMULA M-11 that i see in your signature?, Phantom777
Hey Phantom777,
Your posting of thinking yourself unlucky caused me to answer.
You’ll get some good advice here and I’ll underscore the point that wiseowlk12 made. Take care of yourself first. Do everything you can without the advantages of things like status, dress and material possessions. Take care of mind and body first.
Then when you have that as a foundation, the simple things like pheros can up your game. It is good that you don’t think that pheros are going to solve everything in a few sprays. Nothing will make you feel as good as success by your own hand. So, you’re plus sized. If you are happy with that, I support you. If you aren’t, then I support you in changing that.
I was in a long term relationship and I was hurt somewhat seriously and in recovery I didn’t move much and gained 40 pounds. It took many months to lose that, but when I did, I can’t tell you how good it felt. She stuck by me and she supported me, but she flat out said that no matter how much she loved me, she was less attracted to me because how much weight I had gained. I could have bathed in pheros and it wouldn’t have solved the problem.
Another anecdote: A friend of hers is a tall Nordic girl, probably about 6’ and was about 250. I hadn’t seen her in a year and after seeing her over the last several years, I was just used to how she looked. She was huge, in every way. I saw her this year and she dropped about 80 (?) pounds (you don’t ask a girl that stuff). She looked fan-fucking-tastic. When she was bigger, there would have been no amount of pheros that would have attracted me to her. Now I can see her face and she isn’t an amorphous blob, she looks nice in clothes. She had her first boyfriend in over 5 years.
It isn’t about weight, but it is about how you treat yourself. Simple logic is that if you don’t treat yourself well, people might follow your lead. Take care of yourself physically and mentally. Work on your social skills, brush up on your manners ( good manners are easily learned and can be impressive) and learn to communicate well with others.
There are so many things you can do for yourself that can improve your life and many will have a more profound impact than pheros. Don’t get me wrong. As someone that has been fortunate to use them to extend my abilities with women, I recognize that they work and are fun to experience.
Recently I have been using A314 a lot and just this week realized that I wasn’t wearing it and I was still acting with the calmness and confidence I feel when I am. I grew into the the attributes it made me feel. In that same way, I had also changed my behavior and walked a bit taller and felt innately good about myself when I had lost the weight I put on in my recovery.
Sorry this was so long.
Your willingness and belief to succeed is all you need to be on your way. I wish you luck.
ok first off.. PHERONE FORMULA M-11 "for anyone who is intersted in researching that..it hasnt done too much for me so far.. i still need to do more testing. As far as the weight issue,im a diabetic and ive been trying to lose The weight lost some of it ..im pretty happy with the way i look though ,im no super stud or anything like that but im trying to be postive, taking care of myself etc..working and not stressing on the small stuff.
been trying out the comfort issue on a girl i like she seems comfortable with me but i can never tell about the attraction part thats my major problem. i just cant tell if shes being friendly because shes my co worker or if she diggs me LOL. she smiles, laughs at my jokes helps me out etc..but i never can grasp that attraction interest thing.i dont know why?? i tried that cocky funny attitude on her and she kinda responds to it..on different days its like im ignored totaly.maybe because shes busy or has her mind on other things who realy knows.she dousnt hate me though im sure of that:)im keeping my mind and options open..at this point all i can do is be myself and postitive. great feedback thank you all!
Hey man,
first off telling whether a girl is attracted to you is the hardest part i reckon. Don’t get down on yourself for it. I think it just takes practice, and every girl is different. I too have the same problem and i quite often get stuck in the friend zone. And becuase i have no real idea where exactly i stand, i eventually just lay it on the line. You win some but you generally lose. BUT, you can learn from it.
Did you know her from before you started using pheromones?
If so, she could be getting those attraction signals but just dismissing them due to how she felt previously. And to that there is no quick fix. Only time and persistence i think.
Your 37 and never had a girlfriend. So F@#king what man, its not pathetic. It shows how strong you are. How many people do you know that have been through that! And you are doing something about it. So i think its awesome that your acting on it. You just tell women the truth, dont be ashamed of it. Just tell them your waiting for the right person, which you obviously are.
I also think instant shine rocks. And i think i might be addicted to it. It makes me feel awesome and people enjoy your company more.
Anyway, these are just my thoughts.
Good luck.
After having used up a bottle of M11,
i also did not find it an outstanding product even though i could notice its pheromone effects i consider it sorta mild gear and nothing to get excited about.
yeah i feel similar to you too about M11..seemed like it added nothing.
what do you think is a good product from your personal exprience? curious?
yeah i knew her before the pheros.. she seemed like she respnded to my cocky funny teasing before i bought them so im thinking of trying instant shine or instant openness…heard that making a women feel comfortable is great in attraction.
she may be reacting negatively to the ammo but the alpha-a314 seems to help a bit.
we will see ..i gotta wait till next month cant afford IO or IS but its only another month.
yeah dude tear this month up with testing!
tear it up dude!
There are some good variety of consistant products to be had for the taking and what works for me often does not work as well for men who are younger than i .
As well as using Primal Instinct mixed with some excellent pheromones not mentioned on this forum.
I have had success also with A314, Instant Sexiness/A, MX292, and CTTM 2 .
Because of my age 57 i can very nicely use 20 mcg applications of Androstenone, and i have gotten used to good consistant results as a matter of my every day way of life.
yeah im not as old as you im only 37 and 38 on tuesday .. but i see your point i gotta realy find my sweet spots!i tried out the chikara and the girl im interested in was friendly to me at work, seems like its realy strong stuff, the scent was real musky.the alpha-a314 also gets her talking to me..just friendly stuff so far, no “i like you” vibe yet.sill gonna try out the npa also. Next month ill probably pick ip IS and IO,money is tight now so ill wait a bit. hey? douse different races and nationalitys respond differently to pheros?anyone? im just curios…oh the girl i like is latin , just a note dont know if that makes any difference. i also noticed that i can smell the pheros in all the products i bought ,i guess i have a nose for it ..i can spot them. i know when im wearing pheros i notice the affects on me.. especialy my nose its real sensative to them and i feel a little tingle sometimes.hey i found a new product out now called “dial for men magnetic” it claims to attract women and it has none in it,i read the bottle he he he he ..i bought 2 bottles! LOL thought id give it a shot, why not!.. ill let everyone know how it works if at any.
Hey man,
am pretty sure from reading in the forum that different phero’s have effects on different races. So for latin there might be one that is supposedly meant to help . Do a search for latin and see what comes up. Keep up the good work.
Try TUTH and some IH. Latin girls tend to like high anone signatures because this is what latin men have. It is what they have grown up around.
Tisha
You know, this sounds like Instant Jerk to me. That seems like a cocky funny phero.
IMX, Latin girls seem to respond well to guys who are more dominant. Not domineering or tyrannical, dominant. Like a charismatic leader. Think Barack Obama - I remember seeing footage of him on the inauguration night with Michelle, and he was gently but firmly moving her around, touching her a lot, guiding her by putting his hand on the small of her back, holding her closely as they danced, and so on. Directing her but at the same time looking out for her. That’s the kind of vibe you want to create.
yeah i try the touchy feely thing when im passing by her ,just a slight hand touch and an excuse me as i walk by little stuff like that..you realy think turn up the heat would work for a latin?it sounds kinda too much, its a work environment so i want to be carefull. i dont want to come off as a jerk either so i doubt id try instant jerk. i noticed when i use ammo wich is higher in none than the alpha-a314 that she seems to either not notice me or be out of my way.she may react negative to the none in a high dose. who realy knows.also she has never comented on the smell of anything i wear so far. oh i voted for the other guy by the way! LOL obama seems so untrustworthy to me ..i dont know why.
the girl i like was being somewhat physical with a co worker the other day, slapping,kicking and hitting him.. wish i had some of that attention though .hes got a girlfriend himself so it dousnt realy bother me too much. i just wish i was as smooth as him!hes the player type and younger and better looking. :Don a good note i bought a book on ebay on “how to talk to women”,it might help me out a bit in this situation. im usualy acting alpha male around this girl without realy over doing it.. i dont want to have the opposite affect of her thinking im a dick or anything like that, im just acting like i have everything covered and i try talking to her and joking in a cocky funny way also..she sometimes teases me back… just wish i knew what she was realy thinking!
thanks for the advice everyone! keep them coming!!!