I missed out on the Ammo limited release and have been patiently waiting for its re-release once the scent is ironed out. I eventually caved in and went to the other site to purchase alter ego. At work I have been using 2-3 drops A314 and have had good results when combined with 2 sprays (2x) IS and 2 sprays IO (sometimes IH, which seems to affect me more and seems to work better IMO with the comfort level of females). This combo has definitely given me great respect from the females at work (especially black and caucasian), but does get some Asian males ( with 3 drops of A314) a little irritable.
Anyways, I decided to turn to 3 drops of Alter Ego with 2 sprays of 2x IH and 2 sprays of (2x) IS. This combo is awesome. The respect hasn’t been as great, but the attention from a beautiful 25 y.o caucasian has been noticeable. Her attention towards me was amped up a notch from the prior mix I was using. Lots of hair twirling, touching me with her hand, bumping into me when we walk, talking for 2 hours straight, etc.. The other girls have been calmer and generally happier. I like the smell of alter ego also.
My question- anyone ever consider using alter ego with p83 or TUTH (2 sprays) with p83. I’m thinking of using it with a different girl (27 y.o latina) that has shown me sexual interest. She definitely noticed TUTH (2 sprays) with 1 spray of IS- called me the next day in the middle of the work day just to ask me what was I wearing the night before 
- it definitely left an impression on her. She had also asked the same question the night before. She even jokingly asked whether I had some secret pheromone on me- caught me by surprise b/c she has no clue I have these bottles 
. Wouldn’t mind teasing her a bit with this new mix I have suggested above, but don’t want to create a scenario where she gets “frightened off”. I have the 50mcg version of p83 and will start off with half a spray. I am trying to decide whether to use it with 2 sprays TUTH or 3 drops of alter ego. Thoughts?
If this mix worked that well on her, then use it again 
You’ve already burnt in an impression, IF you ask me, so test what you like. It was the TUTH that opened her nose, so ‘I’d’ build my mix around it.
As for AE … a drop to each side of the neck, covered with those same two sprays of TUTH, and 2 shots of IS to the wrist or the back of the neck, could work.
A drop of AE to each side of the neck, covered with a spray (2) of TUTH, followed by one spray of P83 to the throat, and 2 shots of IS to the wrist or the back of the neckcould work.
Still … you have to test to get YOUR answers. 
AE/IS/IH is my all-time favourite combo in terms of really out there blatantly obvious hits…i use half a gel pack of AE. a close second would be AMMO/IS/IH…
p83 synergises very well with -none products and Ammo in particular so dont see why it wouldnt work with AE too, given its just an androstenone-enhanced version of AMMO. i expect it to amplify the arousal. p83 works great with IS/Ih Too
Have you used the oil version of AE; and if you have, do you like the gel packs better than the oil, MS?
That’s something Androtics could do … do an Androtics oil version of AE = AMMO UNSCENTED. WooHooo!
I have the oil version of Alter Ego. I have not tried the gel packs and doubt that I’m going to go this route. The oil version is actually nice and I prefer the oil versions of these pheromones (much like A314). The oils (A314 or Alter Ego) + 2x IS provide me with my base pheromone and then I add from there.
Thanks for the suggestions- I’m going to try these and will report back later.
Latinas like -none, and I’ve seen a couple turn bright red with a mixture of TUTH and AMMO at 2:1 and 2:2 either way (2 AMMO and 1 TUTH, or 2 TUTH and 1 AMMO or 2:2).
Good luck!
I’d love to try this mix, but with AMMO out since I found this great community I haven’t gotten a chance. Because I may use Alter Ego, which has a higher -none concentration than AMMO, I am wary of combining it with TUTH and then it leading to an -OD. You guys mentioned that P83 is synergistic with these mixes- does it also heighten the -OD potential? I am very excited to see what this putative can provide me.
I’d tried AE but it worked as well as Pherlure for me. Not very. I always felt like I’d OD’d on just one drop of the stuff.
I’ve been on this forum a loong while, and not one post, have I read where someone got killed from a -none OD. It’s not an STD if you get the cold shoulder from her or anyone else. You back up … cut back on the mix … and try it again. That’s suppose to be the fun part!
“Oooooooooooooh! I think I ODed!”
“Ooooooooooooh! Will I OD!?”
“Oooooooooooooh! I don’t wanna OD!”
God gave man balls for a reason! And no, their not for your kitty to play with, either.
Oooooooooooooooh! IF you’re so scarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred … GET A DOG! 
NOTE: Whatever you do, I’d build it/do it around the mix that you KNOW got her attention. In fact, I’d wear that same mix about three more times, and reallllllly take note, and then add the 83, and note the differences, if they’re are any. You’re probably already on her table naked, in her mind, so additions may not bother her way of thinking that you’re DEAD MEAT!
LOL damn, I was going to try an -OD sneak attack kill on a guy I hate 
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I definitely understand the seasoned pheromone users who make fun of the -OD worries on this site. For us newbies, I guess we are worried about not screwing up 1st/2nd impressions. I wouldn’t mind -ODing with my friends (already have), but not with a beauty. Then again, all I simply have to do is wash off some of the pheromone if I sense a -OD happening . Don’t worry- soon enough M&M, I’ll be a veteran at this, and will be singing the same tune as you!
I’d wear Alter Ego even if it didn’t have any pheromones in it, just because it smells so good. Good stuff indeed.
OK here goes my report I promised- my first report on this forum- hope you enjoy
The mix:
3 drops of alter ego: 2 to the neck, 1 to back of my hand/wrist
1 (2x) spray of IO to neck
2 (2x) sprays of IS to neck
half spray of P83 50mcg to front wrists
I used 3 drops of alter ego instead of one because I was going to a huge sports bar packed with people for the college games. No smoking, but lots of food everywhere. Wore hat with t-shirt. Girl met up with is 25 y.o Caucasian beauty- seems fairly conservative, not a one night stand type of girl (which I like and prefer :o). Have known her for last 2 weeks. Usual encounter with girl is at work in a very professional setting where I’m her superior (for the last two weeks and one more remaining week); therefore we have to be careful, b/c dating during our current work relationship would be highly discouraged. Have hung out with her only once in a non-work setting.
Self effects (with four drinks (vodka red bull)- two drinks in first 30 minutes, last two drinks finished by hour 2): I am the shit. I felt that I could do whatever I pleased and wasn’t going to take crap from anyone. First 30 minutes felt slightly sweaty palms. Walked in the sports bar with straighter posture and just felt and perceived myself looking like I just got out of the gym and was ripped. Smelled great. This is an empowering mix IMO. I have used this mix without the p83 before, but with the P83 I felt the empowerment much more and longer. Friends noted that I looked more energetic. The effects lasted 5 hours. I really felt it the first hour, but still felt good later on. At hour 4 was told by friend that I looked like I’ve been hitting the steroids too hard- I am pretty much the same size from when he last saw me several months ago. After hour 5 got tired and sleepy- the hookah bar we went to after the game probably had something to do with it! However still walked around the bar liked I owned the place despite feeling tired.
Her effects: hours 1-1.5- when she initially got there she seemed somewhat hesitant. Still a little touchy feely but looked like she was trying to restrain herself. She still was able to talk with me easily though.
Hours 1.5-5- had 1.5 beers by now. Opened up with the touching and feeling. She seemed more at ease and definitely more talkative. Much more eye contact with more focus on me. Moved closer to me with frequent physical contact. More flirty than she’s ever been with me- greater towards the end of evening. Hour 5- walked her to her car and was given one of those hugs where her head is buried in my chest and both my arms are on her back- very different than the “friend hug” and any type of physical contact we’ve had thus far.
My own conclusion: great empowering mix for me- I like it. Will have to use 1 drop of alter ego with her next time and maybe hold off on the P83 (which I haven’t done a proper job of experimenting with). I have noted that she responds well to 1-2 drops of A314 also from previous encounters so I’m going to take it easy on the Alter Ego also. Given I’ve read that AMMO is more consistent with its effects- I can’t wait to try it instead of alter ego and see what happens.