Iam 25 i have the instant line, turn up the heat and ammo, i have tried different combinations in different situations and i must say either iam doing something wrong or iam immune to any effects. Even the instant shine that everyone here says that makes them chatty and all happy dosen’t seem to even have a slight effect on me even when i sniff it straight from the application point. I have read peoples experiences here and they say ifm causes some depression in some guys but even that doesn’t affect me. As for the effects on others…haven’t seen anything noticeable. I have tried different number of sprays for each product on different parts of my body and still no noticeable results. I even took the advice of the pros that i should try each product by itself starting from one spray and i still haven’t gotten any solid hits. I just wanna know that these things work and not just by placebo effect like some people have stated. Iam not giving up yet thats why i need some solid advice to help me start from somewhere with these mones. A few people here have said that the best way to get any kind of hit is to OD so that you can see peoples reaction but iam afraid when i OD on something like TUTH iam gona turn people away maybe be because the smell might be too much to handle. Are there any suggetions or advice? BTW iam not trying to offend anyone by saying mones don’t work iam just a skeptic and i need some direction. I also forgot to mention that iam black so does that have anything to do with the number of sprays i need in order to get any kind of hits?
Hmmm
I suggest you start from the beginning.
You mention you used one product at a time at different dosages which is good.
What I need to know for each product is
How may sprays did you use ?
Where did you apply them ?
What environment did you wear them in ?
How many times did you try each one ?
This will give us a indication as to whats going wrong.
Black men tend to make a lot of anone, so do younger guys. Your both Black and young so there is a possibility you need more social buffers. Especially if your intimidating or not outgoing.
Self effects don’t happen to everyone. There are some members who never get them but usually they get hits from others.
So once we get some of those questions answered we can kinda figure out what you should do.
Tisha
Tisha as usual has you aimed in the right direction.
They work - but sometimes it can either take a while tofind your sweet spot to generate the results you want or to learn to recognize the subtle signs.
I do not have self-effects from Instant shine or IFM either so that is not a major indication. Lots of none makes me socially more aggressive as opposed to violently aggressive.
Remember - a lot of effects are subtle. They grease the doors, they do not open them for you. They help aim people in certain directions but you have to get them moving. And do not take this the wrong way - but a lot of us guys are not overly socially aware and have to learn to pick up on the subtle signals. There are a few posts here that discuss just that subject plus quite a few web sites out there that discuss body language, etc.. Reading up on that might help also.
Thnx for the reply tisha ok where do i begin, i first tried out each of the products separately with one spray on the neck in the morning to test at work and then added one more spray to forearms midday when i usually eat out with co workers for lunch. Once in a while we invite random female coworkers whom i don’t really know well so i thought they would be perfect test subjects. no effect there. One day i tried out out 3 sprays of IS on wrists and chin at work and another day 3 sprays of IO plus one spray of ammo, i later went to the grocery store and hangout at a friends’ friend’s bday party with some attractive women and still no noticeable hits. One sat night i sprayed
2 spray of IS to both wrists
1 spray of IFM to back of neck
1 spray of TUTH to chest
3 sprays of IO to inner forearms and side of neck
went out to bar and nothing unusual happened that i could attribute to the mones. Then we decided to go to the club where i don’t struggle picking up girls but this time things just didn’t fall into place or maybe was i just having an off night. Overall since i have had these mones its hard to pin point any success with them or anything different that i couldn’t do before. I also have to mention the i work help customers open accounts in the bank so i expose alot of people to these mones but still no noticeable hits. Any help please!
I hear you Boss i try to be realistic when ever i use mones so iam not expecting something dramatic to happen but i just want a light bulb in my head to go off …or on, and be like hey this stuff works! I just wanna notice the same things people here are noticing.
OK here goes …
I know - we all wanted to when we first start out. Be patient - you will.
It took me a while to sort out if anything was happening with Instant Gentleman. I almost gave up on it until friends started relaying conversations they had with others about me (as in “He is cool/sophisticated” kinda thing - lol - or underestimating my age big-time) plus I overheard comments about me not really intended for my ears. Then the light-bulb went off and I was better able to read what was happening around me.
OK - the first thing I would tell you at your age do not make the Turn Up The Heat an opening gambit - it sends out a strong message and at your age may be too strong and might be pushing women away. It is best used when things are already heading in that direction - not making them head in that direction esp. with a stranger, casual acquaintance or even friend.
Next - stay with one product for at least a week. If one spray of Instant Openness (say 1 AM and 1 lunch refresher) does not seem to do the trick over a couple days, then bump it up to two (2 Am and 2 refresher) on the third day. And try that for the next couple days.
Finally - do not spray and sit back and wait for results. They may not happen. Apply and go about your business as you usually do.
But remember - in any interaction it will always be 90% you and 10% pheromones. So when you say
well, you are probably not going to pinpoint anything new … what will happen is … say when you wear Instant Openness - if that pretty female teller you invite to lunch is inclined to speak to you, she may speak more than she normally would. But you have to open her with your charm so that she is so inclined. And if you don’t know her then you have to convince her you are the guy she wants to talk to. At the same time because you don’t know her it is hard to judge how talkative she is in the first place. But once your natural charm opens her - then the Instant Openness will help the conversation roll.
The influence of the pheromones is usually more a matter of perception than a catalyst for action. They do their part by creating a window for a certain perception of you. You have to back up that perception through word and deed and BE the catalyst for their action. (The congruence thing). Because we cannot read someone’s mind it is often difficult to see the perceptions they create. That is the often the subtle body-language thing. You just gotta know they do and act accordingly. Once you find your sweet spot you will see.
At this point in my use I do not really look for reactions.I just go about my business in my phero-cloud letting them grease the doorways for me. It is usually afterwards that I realize something happened and just make a mental note of it.
definitely stick to one product at a time.
one advice I got from an experienced member on this forum(won’t name him) is to OD on purpose when you first start, that should get rid of any skeptism, then after you know the product is “working” and “doing soemthing”, you can cut back on the dosage and start from begning to find your sweet spot.
when I said OD, I meant OD on one of the social products like IO or IS, do at least 6+ sprays, because unlike -none, they won’t give you too much negative effects like ghosting or aggresiveness.
P.S what’s your race and blood type?
Just my 2 cents:
Self effects are somewhat subjective and sometimes you won’t experience them, especially if your mind is very outwardly focused. At 1-2 sprays Instant Shine does not “make” me smile. It makes it a little easier to be silly, that’s all. If that makes any sense to you. I can most definitely see the effect in other people. The first or second day I really tried this stuff, two sprays… I had a clerk that was usually pretty quiet around me in the drugstore, start cracking jokes during small talk and he really seemed much more open and warm than his usual demeanor towards me. That right there really convinced me. True, he’d seen me before but this reaction was totally different. The only thing I did differently was I made a little more eye contact with him and wore Instant Shine x2, Instant Openness and Perception (which has androstenol, among other things… it’s not an Androtics product). Heck, I didn’t even smile that much, just smirked and chuckled at his attempts at humor… that should be even more impressive. Plus, I felt like I had really brightened his day, like he’d just encountered an interesting customer, and I had rarely gotten this reaction from people before trying Instant Shine.
Pheromones most definitely work. Especially with repeated exposure. Read my journal some time. I have some personal stories in there about how pheromones have changed some things in my life. It’s not exactly over-the-top miraculous, but I can see changes in some of my relationships with people.
Ok you got some great advice above so I will give you my shortened version of it.
Sometimes it takes time. It did for me and I thank the goddesses above I didn’t give up because then I would be missing out on all the fun.
There are times I really wish they didn’t use the word instant with the products. LOL
I would back off on the anone products a little just till you get the others going. Like I said you could be high anone already. That’s a compliment by the way LOL Anone is volatile but its also incredibly sexy and masculine. My best friend is black but he is older then you. He uses 2 to 3 sprays of TUTH but he go’s heavy on the socials or he comes off as to intimidating.
So up your socials when you test them.
Ishine you can wear 4 to 5 sprays, same with IO This is not a OD, you cant OD on anything but anone products. You can only use so much you smell over perfumed but even at 5 to 6 sprays you should be fine because the neroli drys down light. If it works at 4 or 5 sprays that’s your dose.
IFM you can use more of as well. Dont spray it near your face.
As BH said mones just open a window. Jump through. Don’t wait for you mones to work, work your mones 
Hang in there,
Tisha
Yeah I agree with Daedelus don’t worry about the self effects, try to concentrate on effecting others.
In addition to what everyone else said above I would like to add try to use a product for a few days and when your wearing it be very aware of the interactions you have with other people. A lot of the differences are very subtle so you have to pay attention, look for things like prolonged eye contact, conversations lasting slightly longer than usual, or any behavior that’s out of the ordinary. Hell it might even help if you scribble down a few notes at the end of the day. …But here’s the trick after you worn a product for a few days stop wearing it! And be just as aware of your subtle interactions with others. And so long as your wearing an adequate amount of pheromones I would be very surprised if you didn’t see at least a slight difference.
this is exactly what you should do, use the pheromones for a while and then stop it altogether, then try to notice the difference, it’s all about observations and social awareness, gotta notice the subtle effects around you.
I’ll jump in here too because this is really hard sometimes. You may just be trying too hard to look for things instead of making things happen. Think about the people in your everyday world that you really notice. Chances are it’s somebody who is unusually nice,helpful,goodlooking,well dressed,loud,irritating,whatever.
Some of these things we can control some we can’t. Your pheromone signal is making you different. reinforce that. Do things for people. Put yourself into their radar screen. I think most “hits” come when or right after some sort of active interaction takes place. Have fun, stop “looking” for hits, be actively involved with as many people as you can comfortably be involved with.
I’ve used pheromones for nearly 5 years and, regardless of how much I apply, can’t feel a thing. Nothin’. Zippo. And that’s a good thing as the idea isn’t to self medicate but to effect your targets.
The real strength of artificial pheromones lie in some a magical combination of your natural pheromones, physical appearance, social status and persona. Artificial pheromones merely “accent” or “enhance” you. In and of themselves pheromones isolated from a hot body aren’t very useful. For example, cops sniffed from a bottle of Essence of Woman smell like funky vinegar and fish sauce and don’t do a thing for me. Cops on an attractive women hurl me into bonerville. In other words, pheromones need a meaningful context to work for most people. Sniffing your arm after applying Turn Up The Heat probably won’t make you hard. Good thing too. Otherwise we won’t have much of a reason to leave the house.
I have gathered a lot of info from everyones response and i thank you all. I will take your advice and try 4 to 5 sprays of the social mones for a start to see the effect. Hopefully soon i’ll be educated enough in the mones field so that i can start creating my own different combinations for different occasions. Iam a very inquisitive person so i ask a lot of questions so please bear with me. Coming across this forum has taught me a lot and i continue to learn. Hopefully sooner than later i’ll be able to share the wisdom you have shared with me with other coming newbies. I’ll continue testing and expect a report soon.
I think you’ld really benefit alot from Instant Honesty and maybe Instant Openness, 2-3 sprays are good for looking for effects. Also, if you interact with alot of people from different races and you are black, dropping androstenone altogether would probably be a good idea (especially around whites and Asians). Maybe just one spray of Ammo with socials, or Instant Gentleman.
Soul Creator has some good advice, you ought to keep a diary or journal, either on paper on in the journal setion. If it doesn’t work out for you, that’s OK and the company does have a satisfaction guarantee. Hit some coffee shops, restaurants, go shopping (esp. at places you’ve been before and they “sort of” know you and you know their typical reactions)… I’m sure you’ll eventually see something happening that seems a little out of the ordinary.