Ok, I’m asian myself and pretty decent looking. Normally I dont have problems attracting asian girls but tonight while wearing an AMMO and IS mix, I noticed that all the asian girls I talked to at this happy hr was trying to cut our convo short and leave right away, any inputs?
Plus an Indian girl too
Hello! I am asian myself also, and while I’m new to mones I’ve been told around Asians you don’t want too much -none (which is things like Ammo anbd TUTH) and even when using Ammo you want to buffer it with something like IG which Asians tend to receive well and possibly even IO as these are more social mones and will tone down the none.
Also it will help if you tell us how much you sprayed of each and where you applied it to.
Just my two cents, hope that helps :]
I have both x2 (double strength) AMMO- 1 spray on my neck, IS- 1 spray on my wrist
Yeah, I think you will definitely want something that’s more of a social mone with Ammo 2x, usually its recommended to start at 1x since ammo is none, and while its not as strong as TUTH it could be too much for Asians especially not buffered enough, as people have reported they don’t respond too well to that. I’d personally recommend adding IG and IO in the mix and experiment with that, if your still targetting Asians that is :]
You know, i’m also asian and ammo never does anything for me. People tend to respond better to IG.
This is probably why - 2x Ammo is just too much none for both your age and theirs.
Its not that no none is good, just you need to use much less, preferably alongside a higher proportion of socails. If you have any 1x, they just one spray and two sprays IS instead. And if you had any IO or IG, either would be a good addition in this mix.
Indian girls respond much beter to none IME but all my best results there have involved IH in the mix as well.
When it comes to anone products 2X is for men over 35/40.
Socials type products you can get away with buying higher concentrations because we all tend to use well more then 2 sprays and you can wear more without adverse effects.
I am assuming this is your first time wearing them and there are a few factors to look at besides dosage.
You did buffer your Ammo with 2X Ishine but look at your application points. Probably not enough though.
Ammo to the neck… a place on the body that is closer to your core so it heats up better. The Ammo will diffuse faster and more efficiently
Ishine to the wrist… an outer extremity that doesn’t heat up as much so the mones will diffuse slower and less efficiently.
The Ammo signal is “louder” then your Ishine. This is fine usually the products are all stand alone but your young, you bought 2X and your targeting Asian women. Asian women tend be more attracted to something like Ishine or the status type products (A314, IG) They will respond to something like Ammo or TUTH but not in high doses. When targeting by race always consider what the men closest to her signatures would be like. Asian men tend to produce less anone then caucasian.
First try switching your application points. If that doesn’t work increase the Ishine and decrease your AMMO and see how that go’s.
If that doesn’t work then you need more buffer for that target criteria so get some IG or A314 to use as a base.
The thing about mones is they are not “one size fits all” You have to compliment your own signature while appealing to the signature preference of your target groups. Usually that takes a little adjustment here and there to perfect.
Tisha
my wife is Asian and yes IG seem to work.
Ammo and tuth she can smell the mones and wont come near me, also possess alpha works well but not an AD product.
Why not suggest him to layer both products on the neck? IT will diffuse in the same rate in effectiveness
He can do that if he likes. Both methods are the same. Some people like to layer one on top of the other and some like to apply to different areas. It wont actually diffuse at the same rate though because Ammo is molecularly heavier then Ishine.
Tisha
I find IS AMMO a very feminine mix. Think about it happy, sensual and interesting, is VERY BETA.
I mean masculine guys just don’t go well with beta mixes. Women are supposed to flirt, wear makeup, wear short skirts and turn a masculine well built man (regardless of whether he is a corporative executive, an actor or a musician) on. Ammo comes across as I am cool and interesting and sensual – very feminine if you ask me.
Masculine men produce lots of testosterone, have well built bodies and get to the point with women. As a musician I find I get more success with women if I ask congruent this way that if I wear a wussy signature. It could just be because I have a masculine face (I’ve been told), and a fairly muscular build so ammo doesn’t feel right.
But at those times when you are not scoping for women and just want to possess a friendly church going bingo party vibe everybody loves, IS AMMO fits the bill. And it works on just about everyone.
Summer Ammo or the original ? There are no feminine pheromones in the original at all. Every mone in it is a androgen.
The difference between Alpha and Beta males has absolutely nothing to do with masculinity or with build. Only in the animal kingdom does that determine the Alpha because they are not evolved. In humans its about the persona, character, inner strength and ability.
I don’t find AMMO feminine at all in fact I find it very masculine and sexy on a male. Its just not intimidating. Being an alpha has nothing to do with being able to physically intimidate someone. People do become intimidated sometimes by Alpha males but not because of masculinity, its about there inner power not about there outer power. There boldness, confidence and dominance of there surroundings.
I think Ammo is making you feel this way because you have a misconception what an Alpha is. Your confusing masculinity with the Alpha male and they are two very different beasts. There is nothing wussy or feminine about Ammo.
Tisha
Tisha,
I get lots of eye contact, smiles and chit chat from IS AMMO but never got laid with it on.
P75, I got to first base with 3 women in less than 15 minutes each when I went out clubbing.
It could be I am more congruent with p75 than IS AMMO, or it could be that IS AMMO is attracting the wrong type of women, or that the self of p75 are so enormous they make me take full control of my thoughts and I don’t hold back, don’t give a f*ck if I get rejected etc. I keep going until I score.
With IS AMMO I’m more sensitive, and sensitive guys won’t score as quickly because their feelings get hurt.
I know what works for me. IS AMMO is a great mix but not for getting laid. I use the 2x and I am over 40. Still nothing. I’m a huge proponent of mixes that produce self effects. With IS AMMO I get none. With p75 or p75 ammo I get confidence to the point where I’ll talk dirty to total strangers (women), and half the time I’ll rub their lower back etc etc before I even ask them their name or ask them out. It gives me such confidence.
I’m not putting down ammo but it has never gotten me laid and many others on this forum have said the same thing. Ammo is a cool interesting sweet guy mix on a 40+ man and it has its place. There are times I DON’t want to come on strong.
I am speaking from experience not theory.. i have bottles of the ammo juice in my pheromone cupboard.
You’re right on one count the theory of alpha vs beta.. I should correct myself I don’t mean ammo is beta vs alpha but rather feminine vs masculine.
I understand that but it has nothing to do with the Alpha Beta persona or with masculinity.
If you said that Ammo doesn’t get me laid in your first post I wouldn’t have thought twice about that statement. Its a masculine attraction product thats mildly arousing so a little more effort may go into getting to the point of getting laid.
However you said its a Beta mix and feminine which I just don’t agree with on a experienced user level or a scientific level.
Alpha males get rejected all the time they just don’t give it shit about it this doesn’t mean they are not sensitive it means they are not insecure. Alpha men can be very sensitive friendly happy and its a positive trait not a negative one. Its only negative if that sensitivity effects the self esteem and that defines Beta.
I totally understand that and I believe you but your associating not getting laid with the product being feminine and Beta. Just because it doesn’t get you laid doesn’t mean that it has those characteristics.
I also believe it makes you feel more sensitive but again your associating that with femininity and Beta characteristics.
That is what I am disagreeing with, not with what your feeling or experience with AMMO. I think those feelings are coming more from what your belief is about what masculinity verses femininity is and what Alpha means. You associate sensitive with feminine and Beta. You associate masculine with visual appearance. Those things are a small part of the make up of masculine and feminine but they do not define it. They also do not define Alpha or Beta.
Tisha
-.- So the summer ammo has feminine pheros? 
I thought the main addition was shines main mone(s). I have the summer ammo looks like I bought the wrong product? ><
NO I didnt say it had feminine pheromones in it. It does however have two added componants, one which is very much still in testing and I wanted to know if perhaps that componant was causing his feeling because I have never heard anyone call Ammo feminine.
Tisha
You’re very smart Tisha. Perhaps you have a better handle on explaining mone concepts from an intellectual level regarding these products.. I was just talking from my own experience and success with P75 vs ammo.
Yes I am looking for action.. don’t get me wrong I love IS/AMMO but find its not aggressive enough for me and ever since I produce more testosterone (Since I’ve been taking test enhancers and hgh supplements) I need sex almost daily.
Consequently, I’m looking for a more congruent signature for my needs and ammo IS doesn’t fit the bill.
Phew, ok thanks that makes me feel better about my purchase 
I can understand where dsouza is coming from, he might not be explaining it well. IME AMMO is not a getting laid product, it makes woman attracted, however on subtle levels, and they don’t want to get caught looking at you or show obvious interest as it’ll be just too easy for you…
In my opinion AMMO creates attraction but too much intimidation, I would prefer if it had less Androsterone, that’s what’s causing the intimidation factor for me, the key molecules for women to open up to the AMMO signature is lots of ANOL/BNOL and BNOL is a key molecule for me anyway to get laid, it’s part of the comfort stage of the pick up process and the woman needs to feel comfortable and able to trust you before she’ll drop her pants.
IMO AMMO is just an attraction product, it needs lots of buffering with socials to make it a complete mix.
That’s also the reason why I’m creating my own mixes, I’ve experimented with the Instants, and know how they work now and decided to create my own mixes that are more suitable for my own body chemistry so I won’t be limited by unknown factors such as steering molecules in the Instants.