I applied one spray of Ascend yesterday,and about 3 hours into it,the horrible depression hit me.
I immediately washed it off thoroughly,but the bad and sad mood carried on well into the next day.
I was wondering:
-Does this effect occur from A-1 entering through the skin or by inhaling it?
-What can be done to minimize this?
-Why exactly does A-1 have this effect on men?
-How exactly does this molecule attract the ladies?
-Does the mind adjust to this eventualy up to a level where you won’t get depressed at all by wearing it?
I did not see any effect on other people by wearing it.
I don’t know if I should return my bottle or keep it.
Ascend is a product from a different company. You should really ask this question on their boards. Also, the androstedienone content is either low or zero - the androstedienone product from that company is Cohesion.
Maybe you should head over there.
-Does this effect occur from A-1 entering through the skin or by inhaling it?
-What can be done to minimize this?
-Why exactly does A-1 have this effect on men?
-How exactly does this molecule attract the ladies?
-Does the mind adjust to this eventualy up to a level where you won’t get depressed at all by wearing it?
Would really like to know more about it.
And what product from the Androtics line is likely to show me some hits?
The PheromoneXS line has failed to give me some noticeable results for the last 5 days I’ve benn testing it.
Maybe this is an object lesson in why A1 is not really a beginners phero if even the comparatively low A1 dose in Ascend can trigger problems?
Its from inhalation - Wear enough of it and you will see similar effects in guys around you too. This is one of the reasons M Harris pulled A1 from the AD range altogether. Some people were wearing doses intended to beat-down on guys around them. Which is maybe kind-of different to dealing with negative effects you invite/inflict on yourself? Anyway, he deemed it unethical.
Several things can be done. Some people wear bright/upbeat pheros like IS to help counteract it but i’ve always found the discrepancy in active life between the two means that when the IS wears-off, the downers return.
Other people use the furthest flung app points from the nose to minimise inhalation - which is viable.
Another one is to use the correct/appropriate dose - I’m getting a bit tired of seeing guys misread the advice and plump straight for maximum recorded effective dose of 40/50mcg when most of the time they would do well with a quarter to a half of that. IME, A1 is quite viable even as low as 6.25mcg in some combos.
It doesn’t. Quite a lot of men don’t get the downers, unless megadoses are involved but they are not otherwise productive. Very few, if any positive reports on doses over 40/50mcg - all that happens then is that it flattens responses to any other components.
In a variety of ways. Physical comfort/attraction and mood lifting - notably around the time of their period. At other times, in promotes all sorts of physical attraction/IOIs and attention-getting behaviour. Many men also use A1 to help lift the mood of PMSing partners and maybe the majority of people use it for the “crushy”/yearning quality it promotes with repeated exposure. It is also a good none moderator, so A1 lets you use far larger doses of Androstenone than normal.
Yes. Personally, I found the best way to deal with it was to wear a minimal dose of A1 daily, on one app point and to wash it off when the downers began to hit. By the end of the first week, this point was extending significantly and by the end of the second week, I was used to A1 enough to be able to use it in larger doses without worry. It was also an object lesson in the power of a subtle/minimal dose of A1!
Another thing I have to say about A1 is that it really does suit an oil base rather than sprays. The slower, more even diffusion means the negative effects are fewer, the A1 is far less prone to sudden breakdown to stink (another somewhat non-endearing property!) and its effects ase more subtle and less likely to detract from other components.
Have you read K-Train’s “A1 Guide” thread in this forum? Best info on using A1 anywhere!
You won’t find A1 in any product in the AD range but if you want a combo that replicates some of its qualities without negative effects, IH/P74 is one to look at. I actually dropped A1 altogether for a long time for this, although I have come back to it in other styles of mix more recently.
The nearest I’d suggest is IG/P75 but I have to say that at 27, you are getting into the age range where A314 will be becoming most versatile for you.
Another thing to consider is that Ascend has Androsterone and Androstanone in the mix - Which in combo can make you feel very serious. That combined with a sensitivity to A1 might not help matters overall? If you do go the IG route, try IG as a standalone first to see how you feel - I don’t think it contains any Androstanone.
The A1 replacement mixes are interesting but they really only replicate the physical/PMS comfort side of things, without the crushy/yearning properties. Whilst IH/P74 won’t do a lot for the PMSing harpy from hell, it will give excellent comfort/engagement/closeness and bonding effects and it is a good “fallout” combo - which with repeated exposure induces a desire to be about you all the time and although its a step down from A1’s crushyness, IH/P74 fallout can be driven in a romantic direction fairly easily (one warning, fallout is unisex, so it can hit guys too). Several specific threads on this if you want to search.
