Androstadienone: just got it and don't know how to use it, can someone explain?

You do seem mature for your age, and I can completely related to that. I was more mature in your years when I was younger as well.

However, A314 -none is negligible, its slow diffusing oil based properties won’t really affect too much of your Androstenone usage under normal circumstances. Also, women reach their sexual peak in later years than guys do. Hence the correlation between Androstenone dosage inversely proportional to the woman’s age.

What “works” and “doesn’t work” for teenagers is purely empirical. However, common sense and basic science tells us that the body is developing. You do not know what the long term effects are. This is akin to smoking at 14 when smoking at 18. There are more instances of carcinogenic effects that are compounded as you age. Look at the American diet too, FDA approved chemicals that feed into the food supply, bioengineering, are already starting to cause problems in development and the biological changes in humans. They have attributed it to the obesity epidemic plaguing America today.

My point being is that, everyone here wishes well to you folks. But you have to understand that Radman, and everyone else have full time jobs, lives, and responsibilities. They care enough to warn you because there is something your 16yr old maturity won’t give you, and that’s wisdom from experience.

People have lives here, and if they seem a little annoyed or condescending, know that they have other shit to worry about, and it gets annoying if you’re out there in the real world.

Well said on both your parts. I think we’ve said what we need to say and, in more 16 year old language, internet fighting is for nerds and squares anyways :smiley:
I’ve always found myself very prone to self effects, but what is weird about me for A1 is that it is not depressive, but it makes me extremely irritable and petty. The little things bother me and I get a short temper about unimportant issues. Which is why I’d warn jstn away from wearing it on his neck. I stopped that after about a week.

I’m happy to take any advice you can give especially about body language social dynanics any of that I’d appreciate you telling me what you know I don’t have anyone to really learn from or any mentors..

If I seem to be ignoring your advice on pheromones I’m not I’m listening and thinking about it but I need to at least try the products and see what happends so I can learn more.

like steve said before, spraying behind you neck does not mean you are not going to inhaling them. You still do; it is just less and indriect

Alright I understand it might have a negative effect but since I’ve heard it can be very usefull I’m going to at least try it and see how it works.

Thanks for the advice

Very useful for what?

What’s your intended purpose for using A1?

To help me learn more about pheremones and increase my success with people.

Maybe perhaps success with women in some facet. With people I dunno. I’m not going against people using A-1 here but I’ve seen how men react to it first hand many times and even though I can’t say all of them actually experience a form of “depression” or “sadness” when I do wear it I do cause quite an irritability among men even my own friends when I go out with them. The several times I’ve tested A-1 on my friends gf shes the only that benefited while I gave my two friends some rough times.

When I get a hold on how to make A-1 more male friendly I’ll wear it more again. If it can badly effect guys my age I’m not too sure how a younger kid in your A-1 fog will handle it. I know K-train has been doing lotion but that seems like a hassle to me atm and Razor has done oil although if hes going with true homemade oil viscosity for a oil mix I think the diffusion would be too slow considering I need at least 7.5-10 mcgs of A-1 to see proper results from the ladies.

You have an entire forum to learn from.

And success with people are done with working on your communication and interpersonal skills.

Learning how to listen, look for body language clues, and respecting others.

No pheromone can replace that.

No one seems to want to help with anything besides pheromones though.

I don’t think that, that is a completely true statement. Now I know this is through boards and online, but if you wanted to help yourself improve. You start doing research and go full force from day 1. Don’t wait on people to hand you where to start. If you want to do it badly enough, you’d say “f it, I’m doing this and nothing is going to stop me”

Look up some stuff by Tony Robbins, Leil Lowndes.

I’ve obsessivly read self help I did it all day everyday for months apparently looking for myself didn’t work.

EDIT: P51 I sent u a pm and no answer

In typical RAD fashion I may seem to talk in a circle but if you follow me we will eventually get to a point.
I’m not a “professional” PUA Guru, or life coach, although I may go that direction based on a few peoples advice. I HAVE however coached many guys via email and in person in a more informal way. One common thing I tend to see is that when I talk to guys about tactics, or even inner game…80% of the time I get a response something akin to “But I don’t want to be fake, I want the girl to like me for myself”

Now while I’m not as brutal as Billy Bob Thortons character in “School for Scoundrels” who said when asking which of his students had ever used a self help book…“You can’t help yourself because your ‘self’ sucks”. But He was onto something that most guys don’t realize. While not wanting to be “fake” or disingenuous is admirable, expecting to study something without actually changing anything and expecting a different result is naive. Now I’m not saying this is you, but it is common. Guys pay 5000 dollars to go to seminars and boot camps with pickup guru’s deep down never really intending to change themselves but somehow hoping that simply possesing the knowledge will cause their lives to change.
What’s more likely?, Read a few books on pickup, maybe attend a seminar or boot camp and change absolutely nothing save for the fact that you have knowledge sitting idle in your head that will somehow cause millions of women to suddenly change and become attracted to you?
Or to actually apply and internalize the process, change and grow and BECOME a man that women find attractive?
Changing the one and only person you truly have any control over (yourself) is a lot easier and less frustrating than hoping that hundreds or even thousands of women will suddenly change their tastes and/or perceptions.

Now before you think that changing yourself is bad remember this, once upon a time when you were hungry you cried until your mother popped her tit into your mouth. Now I’d like to think that you consider that “the old you” and that you’ve GROWN beyond that. Grow some more.

Self help books are great and I read TONS of them in addition to the PUA material I’ve studied. Mainly because if I’m going to convince a woman that I’m a worthwhile man, for her sake and my own I actually want to be.
The thing about those self help books is that most people look at them as little more than a really expensive pep talk. You can’t just read the books, read them, and APPLY them. Put the teachings into practice, not someday, but NOW. And accept that also that anything worth learning will NOT be a quick fix. When I studied martial arts I got my ass handed to me royally too many times to count. Likewise when I first started in the pickup scene I got blown out of set numerous times, I would lose state and have horrible nights.

Many times I considered throwing in the towel and just settling for the next girl that would make the first move or at least make it easy for me to know she was interested. But I kept going at it. Women WILL reject you. At first it might feel embarrassing, humiliating or it just plain hurts. But it’s a process. Who you are today is a culmination of both your successes and failures. Everything had a hand in creating you, but now you have to take initiative and start creating yourself, the you you want to be.

Ultimately simply knowing the direction you want to go is not enough, having a map is not enough, you have to start moving in that direction.

nice! don’t eat it not Jstn, lol. Would A1, like none, possibly stunt his testicle growth? hmm

0.0 um… what other high schoolers have used it and reported no problems so your just saying thats only a possible side effect right.

I guess you’ll find that out soon enough :smiley:

Have you started a thread about social dynamics or interpersonal skills yet!?!?!?!?!?

Yes.. can you calm down though? And Steve I think my body having problems is a serious thing so I don’t see why you guys are making it into a joke.

If you a seriously trying to improve your social skills try out Rules of the Game by Neill Strauss. Its a 30 day program to step up your social skills. A lot of it is common sense stuff and but I just glanced over it. Give it a shot, it might help you alot.

I think he only meant that to say that you can only find out by experimenting. I’d follow the advice already given; start out with very small amounts in a controlled enviroment and if your comfortable with that then step the amount up a tiny tiny bit the next time you try it.

Just ignore what you perceive to be abrasive comments, you’re in the age bracket of high disposable income so if anyone says anything below the belt, I presume a staffer will have a quiet word with them in order to preserve repeat business.