OK, here is what I am wanting to do. There is a woman that is in her early 20’s that is a cashier in a grocery store I want to bring home and share her with my wife. (We are swingers and my wife is bi)
I have her where she smiles and waves when I come in the store. She will also small talk with me when checking out.
I’m 51, white, have a few extra pounds.
What would you recommend that I try as my first test to help nudge her to the next level?
Nothing. I don’t really think this is what the creators of these products had in mind for their use. I doubt a mone would make a girl that young receptive to something like that because more than likely she is not. She is probably just being nice because she sees you alot.
Yep, plus how do you even now if she is bi or into swinging? You’d be better off looking for these kind of girls at venues/clubs where swingers meet instead.
Younger girls already think older guys are creepy as it is just by having them stare at them, so I’m inclined to think that she’d be scared away even more by your type of prospects.
You know… I know many older guys that only date younger women in their 20’s. I have asked many of these girls why they enjoy dating the older guys.
The common thread was that guys there age where to immature and they felt more relaxed with older guys.
So I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you both on this.
Well, I wasn’t trying to say that you may be one of those “creepy old men” or whatever. However, you have to admit that there is a stigma with older men according to some younger women (depends on who you ask.) For example when they say things like “that creepy old man kept on staring at me” and so on. Or the “creepy old man” on Myspace trying to add/send creepy messages to a youngin.
But yeah, how sure are you that this girl may be interested in you since you tend to disagree? Because if she’s interested in you, then you don’t need pheromones.
Luckily there are all types of younger women. Some prefer young guys while others prefer mature guys. For some reason I have always attracted the younger girls and have a hard time attracting girls my age. Why? I have no clue. Even my wife is much younger than me.
From my perspective she is showing all the normal signs of interest but gets tung tied when she try’s to start up a conversation on her own. She even helps me shop at times to talk.
So I guess I am looking to relax her and get her to open up more so the conversation can go towards swinging without making her uncomfortable.
I may have just answered my own question. 
You may have… IH might be just the thing for you
Well, then consider yourself lucky Rob. Do you appear young, or look your age? For example I’m 28 but still look early 20’s. One of the reasons why I fear getting old, for possibly being put into that “creepy old guy” category.
However, I agree on the IH. Comfort and trust is key here, before you introduce this girl to your hobby/lifestyle.
Women can think, “yikes, creepy dude,” regardless of age, creed or color. Creepy is creepy and is not age dependent. Instead, it is behavior based. Nevertheless, the creepy old horn-dog is a stereotype in Western society so nothing you can do about it. Realize creepy old farts began as creepy young farts and didn’t change behavior as their hair fell out and waistline spread with processed food and beer.
With all that said, I suppose I, at least on paper, qualify as a creepy old man. I work out and am trim and fit, dress well and have all my hair, so women usually think I’m younger than I am. But I’m not fooling anybody and avoid hitting on 20 year olds partly to avoid the creepy old man syndrome. What’s odd is, as hard as I try to wiggle away, younger women actually like and pursue me. Mainly they just want to have fun and I suppose are curious If my little man can still stand up. I’m actually more attracted to a little older woman with education and accomplishment, but still the attention is flattering. But what a mess if you dip your toe in that pond. I hate being texted, IM and called every friggen 5 minutes…
As to the OP, no mone will make anybody do anything they wouldn’t normally do. You ain’t gonna turn a grocery clerk to a swinger unless she’s already griping a tree vine. What mones do is amp you up and give you a slight edge: your words and actions seem a little bigger and more important. So if she’s on the fence or interested they’ll help give her a little bump over the edge. They won’t revoke freewill or change morality. Also mones are very context dependent. Sexy mones in unsexy situations–e.g., work–will give off an inappropriate vibe.
You know what sucks? From what I’ve seen in some instances, is exactly what Gegogi mentioned. A girl actually showing attraction/attention to an older men, but as soon as the older man acts on that attention the girl right away changes her tune and falls into that ewww “creepy old guy” category. So what Gegogi mentioned is true (for men that don’t mind that is,) it’s better to go for a girl who’s just about your age or a tiny bit older because chances are they’ll be more mature and know just what they want from having experienced life already.
There are some girls who go for older guys no doubt, but I personally don’t think that’s the majority. And by older I mean like 10 to 15 years older not just by about 4 to 5 years.
how did you get to the point were YOU HAVE her were she waves and smiles when you walk in the store? i’ll bet if you TRY to pick her up for a 3some she will lose that smile when ever you go shopping there. just keep up the small talk and keep it on a good ol wholesome fatherly level.
If you want a younger woman to be open and receptive, then you should use Instant Shine, IO and IFM (A1).
Maybe CTTM instead of only IO, the bnol is a good bonding phero so it might work well (bnol is a major part of IH, as suggested above, and also of CTTM).
The reason I suggest IO is that younger ladies really like anol (which is a major part of IO).
You should also have your wife go to this shop and make contact with this woman.
Not sexual contact, but casual contact, friendly contact.
A good amount of IO would be around 4 sprays, 3-5, more is not always better, start lower. If your “sweet spot” is less or more, use less or more.
A good amount of Instant Shine is around 3-4, also depending on your milage.
IFM has very good effects from 2 sprays, above 4 usually gets silly good effects, you probably don’t want this, you want her to feel good and comfortable, not hysterically in love with you.
I’m going to guess that you don’t have IFM, so if you pick up some Androstadienone (A1) from Love-Scent and dilute it to a workable amount, then you will need about 20-40mcg to get similar effects.
I think a couple sprays of IG would be good too, the Androsterone is usually something younger women responds very well too.
If you haven’t worn pheros around her, go easy in the beginning, about 1-2 sprays and see how she responds.
Try getting her to help you with something, ask her where this and that is located, see how she responds when she’s close to only you.
IFM (A1) and IH are golden in this situation
But don’t forget the Instant Shine, that’s the topping of the cake 
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I disagree with that and prefer to go by “the formula” which is “half your age plus 7”
The level of conservatism contained in some of the replies in this thread is surprising.
While I can’t speak directly to whether or not this particular lady is interested enough in RobAndDanielle or swinging for his goals to be achievable, I can say that it’s at least possible.
Maybe it’s the combination of looking several years younger and naturally being on the immature side but as I’ve gotten older, picking up girls in their early 20’s has only gotten easier. So much so that I now feel rather silly at my past resentment of older men “taking” girls from me when I was younger. The way I now view it is most women have a intellectual maturity that many men simply cannot fulfill in their early 20’s.
As far as advice goes, I’d say stick with the -nols (IO, IH) and Instant Shine in the beginning being sure to establish comfort before introducing any tension/ sexual pheromones. However my advice does come from experience with younger women and not swinging so adjustments might have to be made.
When my hair is not gray I am told I look in my early 40’s
By flirting with her and teasing her. When I am in a store I flirt with lot’s of people for fun. Now this is not hardcore flirting. Just light hearted fun flirting. Basically I try to make people feel good about them selfs.
Now put me in a bar and I clam up and get real quiet. Go figure.
In the time the U.S. Census office has been keeping data, (about 200 years IIRC), the age gap in marriages between the man and the woman has been increasing every year.
Women are genetically programmed to respond to healthy older males, because any male who has survived accident, disease and murder (murder rates in primitive societies run at 20-25%!) for long enough to get that old must have superior genes. Yes, there is a stigma in this society against such matches, but in my cynical opinion it’s mostly older women complaining about younger women getting all the dick! Look as long as you’re discreet about it, and let her know (indirectly) you’ll be discreet it should be OK.
I’m sure that Rob is aware that this woman may not be into that kind of thing that he proposes, and if this couple are swingers I’m sure they’re familiar with the potential complications. I will admit that this sort of thing is outside of my comfort zone, personally. So I’ll try to offer my advice without judgement as much as I can.
I would try Instant Honesty (make her feel she can talk to you) and perhaps Openness, or CTTM2. Instant Gentleman may give you a cool guy vibe, but she probably already places high value on you already if you are reading the signs correctly, and I’d imagine you have plenty of experience, so I think your instincts are probably correct. IG may be overwhelming. Try Instant Shine, that’s a great phero for all situations anyway, and MHarris mentioned that in high concentrations/doses, it is good with young women.
There was one poster here on the boards who was in a relationship similar to yours and posted his experiences, but damned if I can remember his name. I remember he was into ritual magick or something, and I think he was an artist or photographer. Anyone remember that guy? His username was a reference to the magickal diagrams he drew. I’ll try and find out. Anyway, his posts/journal might be of use to you.
tezza23,
Thank you for your suggestions. Thinking them through they sound very sound. So far I am leaning towards IH IS and IO.
I think I need to add a bit of information because I see a few are not fully understanding my intentions.
First I have zero desire to date or have a serious relationship with girls in there 20’s. In fact I have zero desire for a love type relationship with anyone but my wife. I’m very happily married.
My wife and I are into recreational group sex. We look to meet new friends of all ages that want to explore the lifestyle. Basically friends with benefits.
Since I have a tendency to attract girls that are much younger than me I want to build a dialog with them to see if they have any desire to explore their sexuality in the same manner we enjoy.
This way if they do show an interest I can take it further. If they don’t I can keep things as they are with them without freaking them out. Basically I want to put them in the write frame of mind before I even mention anything that could be considered extreme to them.