thats why i agreed with Tisha’s neg over Kesia validation… i would never buy them a drink cos it would lower my value to her, the bitch got you to give her a drink, for free…
Happytappin method can work just not in the example given. I didnt know who this Kasie was so I checked her out. She has some good stuff to look over. However the above example doesnt follow her guide on breaking down the bitch shield.
She does talk about validation and gives a example of validating before DHV which I dont agree with. She is on the same wave length as me though on the overly aggressive approach. It slams the shield in place and comes off needy.
Its hard to explain with examples fully because your response is going to depend on hers. The statement “ww will give you a opinion but you have to buy us all a drink” doesnt call for validation its challanging your value and its a shit test. It calls for a neg and disinterest displaying your value… then if she responds with something like … " my opinion is worth more then a drink" then you can validate with something like, “Thats why I asked you” and she becomes the follower instead of the leader. I still wouldnt buy her a drink though, not that quick. I have gone out plenty of times with my girlfriends and one of the past times is to see who can get the most free drinks by the end of the night.
Tisha
Games and more games. And women wonder why some men get ticked off and hammer them. I dont approve, but eventually the odds are if you use the bitch shield and put down and other shenanigans you will eventually run into someone who wont put up with that sort of thing, and they will hammer the crap out of you. I have seen it several times and had such people in my lockup. When you read the report it goes into details how they treated the person before they went apeshit on them.
Gotta be careful when you play these sort of games, there are and have been some ugly consequences. Cause and effect. Treat people the way you want to be treated, without the head and mind games. Seems to work for the older mid age (35 and up)crowd. not so much for the youngsters of today with their sense of entitlement
Agreed, there is so much game playing that it is downright stupid at times. Vince vaughn said it pretty well in wedding crashers where he said he doesnt like blind dates. Do i act like im interested? am i interested? should i show less interest? do i kiss her? am i seeming too needy? It really shouldnt and doesnt need to be this hard. This seems to be why i my opinion most people dont act like themselves when picking up someone. The entitlement at the younger ages is far too much and the game playing.
This is not a personal attack just an opinion. Women claim ooo i want a good guy but they are no where to be found. then when he is there he is too predictable and nice and then theres no games and challenges and jealousy and wondering so the romance is squashed? This has always perplexed me since i am not predictable and can be a outgoing guy who will play the game, however if i like you i am going to drop my guard especially if we are consistently seeing each other or dating. Therefore im going to be myself and be genuine and good to you since i am a good trustworthy guy.
It has taken me countless numbers of women to where i am now with a gf who understands exactly what i mean and we have both gone through all the games and find that it is just ridiculous at times and she agrees with a lot of the things i have to say how women wonder why they end up with assholes and men who are untrustworthy and make themselves distant and just into them for one thing. We are so wrapped up into thinking of it as a game rather than showing our true emotions to you for fear that we will lose your interest and therefore hurt us. Yes guys can and do hurt eventhough we dont show it as much. They did a recent study that shows that men are more emotionally damaged by breakups than women are typically.
Now my gf is gorgeous and can get whoever she wants, but has had to play all the games along the lines just like i did with people who later say tell you well if you made yourself less available, or if you werent so nice, etc. I know everybody has their ideals, and what they like but a lot of the seem to be contradicting each other. In the end i know we all want someone to be there for us, and that we can lean on and trust and have a gf/wife/bf/husband etc. No matter how much fun the single life is, there are always times when you wish you had that ‘‘one.’’ and it can get lonely at times.
Just my take on things that have both angered me and had me in a cloud full of confusion, but hey i never said that i will fully understand myself, guys or girls, nor the ways we interact half the time ! 
Could not have said it better.
I myself find it very lonley sometimes, hence i go to the gym 5 times a week to occupy my thoughts. If it were less of a game with more honesty (which is why i wear IH at the gym) ther would be fewer Bitch Shields and more people out having a great time learning and exploring the other persons. I for one love to explore a woman natural ability for multiple orgasm.
Treat people like you want to be treated.
Seems in order to be treated properly, you need to have some IH and some A314 on in some of these bars. Otherwise teh female of teh species just doesnt seem to see that someone is interested. Tyhe mones make life easier and less stressful. and it helps to shape someone, but some think they are a magic elixir that will get them laid every time. Thats not what they do. You still have to know how to treat people when they react to the use of nones and when they react when you are not using nones.
I lovwe teh DITH look some get. I love the IOI, I love sometiomes when they know something is up but they cant put their finger on it. I like it more when the Bitch turns into a docile sea slug
She’s right, I’ve done the caveman approach before and it CAN work but communicates too much interest in a woman that’s displayed negative behavior. and rewarding negative behavior will get you more of it. Better to neg, IOD, then IOI somebody else. Hit attraction switches, and DHV, until SHE’S grabbing YOU by the arm and dragging you to get a drink. She’ll look and feel like she just found a winning lottery ticket and wants too cash it in before somebody else tries to claim it. So even if it doesn’t work out later, anyone that saw it will perceive you as being very high value.
I disagree. I really don’t think most women play head games.
I don’t think women are playing head games when they use their bitch shield. It’s simply a way to avoid getting into a conversation with a guy they don’t want to talk to.
I don’t think women are playing head games when they put a man down. Most likely something about the guy irritated them and they are just expressing their feelings.
If a man repeatedly comes across women with their bitch shield up and repeatedly is put down by women, there is something wrong with that man. He should use this feedback to realize there is something wrong with himself and fix it.
You can frame it as “not alpha” but that doesn’t mean it’s not alpha.
Also, reframing what you think she was thinking doesn’t make it that way either and is beside the point that it all worked
Caveman? No Radamn, that’s not what I’m implying at all what-so-ever…if anything it’s a modern approach. Frankly done in a split second with an assertive voice.
also @ Tisha who wants to frame me grabbing her as “pushy”…that’s just you making that up in your head…cause I didn’t do it like that. You see it’s “how” you do it…hard to describe with words cause it was a split second thing…but she understood full well what was going on.I was the leader.. I was congruent and she followed…and this works every single time everysingle day of the week in my “street sales” approaches too
Women emote so just work up the excitement level past the ability to reason and panties will be hanging from your ceiling fan.
I have no idea how far this idea could or should generalize… back in my U. years, there were new women’s studies courses and departments in some cases that were populated with intensely politicized left wing academic types (excess theory and little actual life experience to back it up)… they had some theories that now seem overboard, such as gender differences were social constructions, all marriage was an oppressive patriarchy in action, ALL sex was rape, so on and so forth. I managed to attend a lecture course partly taught by the (at the time) notorious Angela Davis who was big time pushing the idea that ALL heterosexual sex was rape, and if I remember,only lesbian sex was earth conscious and non-exploitive… and basically all relations between men and women were based on enslavement and exploitation… the whole thing went so far past the outright ridiculous that it soon imploded as a laughingstock… not even the lesbians would take them seriously…
Or so I thought… then I began noticing that this movement had gone underground and gained traction in a less strident, less vocal, but still intense part of the educational structure… the products of these environments would appear awfully dogmatic, strident, harshly bossing men around, laying down the law… copping nasty unearned attitudes of condescension, finding weirdly unsuitable guys to impregnate them so they could experience “liberated” single-motherhood… generally fucking up their lives beyond recognition, and often beyond repair.
Many, I could tell, lived to rue the day that they took on board the arrogant, ignorant, untested theories from academic prima-donnas who excelled at handing out advice the consequences of which they would never have to live with.
No problem, these prima-donnae got to prance in front of yet another classroom full of wide-eyed undergraduates each year, who would worship their charisma and, eccccch… “knowingness”… undeterred by the real harm they were often inflicting on people who put their trust in them to give them advice about how to live their lives…
The consequences were often painful to witness. Especially as they found themselves increasingly isolated, quietly pushed out of social circles, looking for sisterhood and comfort in some dreadful political hogwash… as it slowly, and inevitably dawned on many of them that they had driven away many of the best people who might have been constructively in their corners.
I still run into echoes and fragments of this way of thinking, especially among economically comfortable women who have been afforded expensive educations and know very little about the rules of survival. I do know that my visceral response is to be as polite as possible and avoid her (and often the people associated with her) at all costs. Life is too short for another set of ulcers.
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i think the bitch sheild is mainly used in nightclubs anyway, so if you dont want to deal with them games, and want to stick to playful teasing, then i suggest meeting someone in the work place, or the gym or at the mall…
there are some good videos on youtube that have hidden cameras watching people pullin women out in the malls, so you will see first hand how it’s all done
Yeah I agree, two places I come in contact with the bitch shield is bars & on the street.
Both places a stranger guy walks up to a group of women…immediately, you need to get them to trust you and feel like you’re in control. Being the “alpha” and controling the frame by “Outwardly calling people out on their shit and what they do good too” show the women that you know good and well what’s going on. I do it daily on the streets of NYC. I see it work daily and while wearing A314 it’s just so much easier. So, IMHO…when the bitch comes out validate that spout!
I am not framing “you”. Your being over sensitive and taking my statements as personal when I am just discussing basic PUA tactics. I am referring to the example you gave. Not you as a person or your experiences.
I have been coaching a long time and I dont make things up in my head. You have been studying Kasia, go back and watch her bitch shield class if you dont believe me, she says it herself. Aggressiveness of any kind will slam the shield shut.
Kino or touching is premature for the example you gave above. You dont touch till much further into the set. In a different scenario farther into the set validating can work so can kino but I just dont feel it will in the example you gave.
Your fully welcome to disagree with me dont worry I dont feel threatened LOL
Twogunz and Tacitus your taking what we are talking about out of context. I know PUA talk can seem very harsh but really its the social dynamics that have been used between men and women for centuries. The cat and mouse game or the dance as some people call it has always been. The younger generation has just broken it down and labeled it with PUA terms. It has gotten more extreme then previous generations.
The bitch shield is just another term for a women who is not interested in you and blows you off. It doesnt mean she bosses you around or is mean to you thats not a shield thats a bitch without a shield. Men shield from girls as well we just didnt make up a name for it. Its not some “underground movement” by some left wing feminine group. That shit went out with Gloria Steinem. Hell even she admits it was a bit extreme.
I agree people should treat others how they would want to be treated.
Many men (not all men) have been judging, labelling, using and trading women in for new models more frequently for the last 4 generations, hell longer then that. Dont start labeling men the victim just because women have become more guarded and choosy.
A sea slug ?? and you truly wonder why women use the bitch shield ?
If you think a person deserves to be pounded for guarding themselves from men who just want one thing or from advances from someone they are not interested in then the problem doesn’t lie with the person shielding it lies with you. Good thing she put that shield up
Thank you Rad you explained it perfectly. Hope no one calls you a bitch for it (snort) 
Tisha
I don’t think you’re framing me Tisha, …I’m saying "framing that situation as pushy or aggressive, cause it wasn’t…it was like Goldy Locks…it was just right 
I disagree with both idea’s. On the one hand I don’t think that most women are playing games per say. At least not consciously. I think that for most women it’s an instinctive and subconscious response. I’ve called out female friends for shooting guys down without mercy that were not only pretty nice guys, but guys that I knew full fucking well they had checked out before he approached them.
When called on it, they actually didn’t know why they were being bitchy, a couple get so in autopilot that they didn’t even know THAT they were being bitchy, much less why.
That said, I also can’t support the notion that “it’s you, not them”. Sorry, to any ladies that disagree but you do NOT get to blame your behavior on somebody else. We all have to own our own shit. Now the guy’s approach and or methods might not be gaining attraction but unless he’s being an asshole then the woman has no excuse for being mean.
That out of the way, the ultimate reasons for the bitch shield have not yet been addressed. Imagine visiting a third world country where homeless and hungry people litter the streets. A homeless man approaches you and you pretty much know he wants something. He looks pretty pathetic (not meant as an insult) and you feel really bad for him and want to help him out. He walks up and asks if you can spare some money so he can eat. You feel pity and so you throw a couple of bucks his way and move on with your day.
Now…imagine living in that same area of that same country and there are so many impoverished people that you get approached 10-20 times a day, every day, week after week, month after month. You see them coming a mile away and know they’re going to want your money, they don’t know you, they don’t know anything about you other than the fact that you look like somebody that has what they want. Now after a year of that do you still feel the same inner need to help, do you still feel like it’s no major imposition on you to give a few dollars to each and every one of them each and every day?
Welcome to the life of an attractive woman. They get hit on, flirted with, approached, asked for phone numbers, dates, even one night stands several times a day, all day, every day. Now most guys don’t consider that when they approach a woman they’re really just one of the two dozen guys that has approached her or will today alone. And they don’t consider that they’re communicating the same interests that allllll the others do. She sees you coming a mile away and has a pretty good idea of what you want from her, she already anticipates the boring job interview style conversations where you ask a barrage of predictable questions that she knows you aren’t really interested in the answers to. You don’t know her, you don’t know anything about her, all you know is that she looks like somebody that has what you want.
Once upon a time she might have been enthusiastic about being approached often, flattered. But logistically she can’t give every guy that walks up a fair shot, there’s not enough hours in the day. And in all likelihood a few of the guys that came before you probably took a polite but firm rejection a little too close to heart and called stuck up or some such nonsense. So when you come along days, weeks or years later she’s convinced herself based on AFC evidence that you’re just another guy that wants the same thing from her and will react the same way as all the others if she says no. She’ll work herself into a pissed and resentful state before you had a chance to open your mouth.
Does that excuse the bitch shield?, no of course not…it doesn’t excuse it any more than I would be excused for cussing out some poor homeless guy that dared to think it was ok for him to talk to me and ask me for a few dollars so he could grab a cheeseburger.
It’s not an excuse, it’s an explanation. And while I agree that most men can work on their approach and/or conversation skills in order to break through a bitch shield, or even avoid it altogether, it’s still a pretty fucked up way to treat a guy that just thought you were attractive and wanted to see if there was a chance at knowing you better.
The best way around the bitch shield is disarm by disqualifying yourself, show active disinterest and neg. How silly would she look if she says “I’d never go out with a guy like you” and you’re making a confused “wow that came out of nowhere” look on your face and say “okaaaay, I’ll be sure to remember that…if I ever decide to ask you” ?
So by not being the guy that walks up communicating interest from right out of the gate she has nothing coming at her to warrant a shield being raised to begin with. Then if you can flip the attraction switches and DHV right she’ll be too busy trying to GET your interest to be worried about putting a shield up against it.
As a side note, happytappin, sorry if I implied your style was cave manning. It’s just that with what little info you had posted it sounded in a very vague way like a style of approach I’ll use sometimes called “cave manning” It’s just being very overtly physical from opening set and grabbing the woman by the arm and dragging her from spot to spot is part of it.
Perception vs Fact. Its one to say something worked but to simply perceive something as alpha because you won out seems unreasonable at best. I guess theres no real fine line in this situation yet at the same time the fact that “grabbed” is emphasized it certainly deems the action with more of a “aggressive” nature.
Now there is an idea I can stand behind!!
Yeah it’s cool. I know I really didn’t paint the picture of what happened very well, but yes I wasn’t aggressive or caveman or anything…it was just right
I did it again yesterday, but on the street with 4 women…to the one who just crossed her arms put a bitch face on and kept saying those tickets are fake…I called her out perfectly in the right way with the right tone of voice and validated her " by saying you’relooking out for the group…that’s good I like that" …I I framed her negativity into a positive thing and and BAM…sold!!
I like RADMAN’s explanation. It pretty much sums everything up. I think what guys need to do is instead of trying to avoid the bitch shield they should learn to understand it. “Knowing is half-the battle” yet most of our soldiers go out into the field without anything.
This is a great example of a classic saying: kindness kills hatred.
Remember, theshield is usually fueled by negativity, which can of course be taken down by positive responses. You can’t fuel the bitch shield with negativity, or else you will, as Tisha put it, slam it firmly in place. Most of the time girls expect guys to react with negativity to the shield which only makes it harder on the guys that come after.
That’s why I believe the best pheros to wear is IO, A-1, and TAA. All of which are happy-go-lucky pheros (with the exception of A-1). Go into battle with the right tools men and with the right attitude. 