Yes the study was very small, the abstract doesn’t give any information about when the concentrations were measured, but the full text shows that the concentrations were measured every 10 minutes after orgasm for 60 minutes.
As I said we don’t know for sure what happens with the testosterone until more studies are conducted 
Does the full text say by how much (%wise) the testosterone drops?
Since exposure to copulins increase testosterone production by 150% in men, exposure to copulins may offset that drop. Since this study was about masturbation, and not about intercourse (with a woman) it may be irrelevant to what actually takes place after heterosexual sex.
Diane
The testosterone levels after 3-weeks of abstinence were about 12.5% higher then the original levels (±4.5 mg/ml vs ±4.0 mg/ml)
But the study shows a relation between higher testosterone levels after masturbation and abstinence, not lower levels.
Edit: I wanted to look up Tisha’s study for you, about the lower testosterone levels after abstinence, but unfortunately I can’t get the fulltext since the university doesn’t have a subscription for the journal. So, sorry about that 
This thread brought to my mind the practice of tantra, which in the simplest terms is Hindu sex magic. Part of it speaks of holding out on sex to build up one’s energy levels to be able to perform the rituals associated with the tantra. Now, my interest is less on the hocus pocus and more on the scientific aspects, since I believe ancient magical traditions have some scientific root, if the anecdotal evidence of their success are great. I know from personal experience that lack of sex does create frustration and tension, which could be a build up of testosterone lacking a release. A comedian once said that men need to have an orgasm at least once a month to keep from killing people, and while humorous to think about, I think there’s some truth to that, albeit less extreme.
I dunno, just food for thought.
-D4
Yeah I know what you mean, I don’t know if the women know what you are talking about but I think most men would understand. Atleast one sexual hormone is building up during abstinence, it creates a larger sex drive then usual (I’m pretty sure of that).
There are many forms of tantra, and all don’t require abstinence. It is mainly the Chinese influence which entered India, mixed with various schools of thought (mainly Upanishadic) that lead to this form of abstinence based tantra. The oldest schools of tantra yoga did not teach abstinence.
Students of tantra are attempting to master pranic (breath) energy and kundalini (life) energy. It is the mastery of kundalini that is involved in abstinence training in some schools of tantra, called the right hand path schools. Other schools use sex to master kundalini. These are called the left hand path schools. It just depends on the school. Kaula tantra, for example uses both the right hand path (celibate) and the left hand path (non-celibate) methods.
Diane
My thoughts are not based on any scientific material, but I would theorize that in the early stages of abstinance hormone and pheromone levels would rise, as the brain would manufacture higher levels attempting to find someone to mate with, then after prolonged abstinance the brain would slow production to conserve unused resources.
Just my thoughts, but the human body is an extremely efficient machine and little energy or resources are allowed to go to waste.
Either that or EXPLODE!!! 
Diane
Pop goes the weasel! 
A persons testosterone levels fluctuate normally and will peak around 4 AM, this is part of the reason that these studies are inconsistent with one another. That being said, it’s safe to assume that sex has very little if any bearing on your levels of testosterone and will not make you less of a man or more of one in the physical sense. Read up in the bodybuilder forums or some of Colkers work. Perhaps FLEX or M&F, I know they regularly discuss this issue. I can’t say anything about the other hormones though.
Also remember alcohol can reduce testosterone!
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LMAO! You think priests don’t masturbate? I don’t believe it. Most probably have sex too on occasion (hopefully with a consenting adult).
Celibacy is not the norm in religion as the establishment would like the masses to think.
This not a guess, read your history and get to know those in the religious community (helps if not religious) and you will see behind the vail.
PS pope Joan became pregnant and was stoned to death (if you believe the story).
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It is very hard for humans to do without sex in some form, a google of sex priests and pregnant nuns is interesting.
There are also many other things that can send persons sex drive off the dial. People with mental health issues can often have high sex drive as this is a release of emotional energy, bit like a safety valve.
People will use sex to bolster self image and worth, many young girls see negative sexual attention as better than no attention, males can use sex to construct a ‘place’ in society, think ‘baby fathers’ who nearly always have no success or sense of place in society so compensate.
Sex and why people do it, and who the do with is very complex with many factors affecting it, and pheromones are just part of the jigsaw puzzle.
So far as i have read it appears that one key factor everyone keeps forgetting is the idea of condom and no condom. Studies don’t control for it so i have to guess that they may all be no condom. And if so, then there is the fact of how long and whether or not copulins were present. If i am noy mistaken, copulins can increase T levels in men by as much as 150% for as long as their body senses them. That’s almost as comparable as the 147% or so that some studies mention about abstinence from ejaculation. Another thing ive noticed is that ejaculation and orgasm are separate things, one can orgasm and not ejaculate if they train themselves, however, an ejaculating person will orgasm, unless he is desensitized. Ejaculation from masturbation lowers T levels slightly, but it then evens out again,since the body needs to replenish and rebalance, and the production of testosterone for the purpose of hormone functionality is but one thing it does. Also, i don’t know if anyone has asked the question, but because we realize that the body recognizes the difference between self masturbation and someone else or their mouth or vagina probably due to hormones, if the 7 day abstinence T level boost is something due to abstinence after self masturbation or after sex with another individual. Since there is no hormone exchange, it is safe to assume that test levels will drop since there is no other secretions which the penis can absorb, all the while it loses vital nutrients which go in supporting the body if it is not ejaculated. However, we all know that there is a mutual exchange in secretions during sex, and the longer it goes the more exchange between male and female secretions there is. These are absorbed by both participants, and instead of the male losing too much nutrients, it only loses a mi or amount, plus it gets the added bonus of social proof, the uptake of copulins into the blood of the male to be excreted later on through the skin as a type of pheromone diffusion. This is noticed by the fact that aside from swagger, women just know when someone has had se, and that in essence is the same thing we do with the application of copulins. If there are copulins sensed, this could be all the body needs to ramp ip the T level production for a short duration. As to whether or not there is some type of resistance to it after prolonged use, who knows?
Also it is important to recognize thw different types of T we have, bound T which we cannot use but the body does automatically, and free T which is what we have circulating within the blood that is used for pheromone as well as muscle synthesis, and these can be increased by increasing LH and FSH levels in the body. But also the decrease of SHBG in the body is important for the increase of Testosterone, and should probably be the first step and the major step which will garner more results than trying to eat health all the time, the increase of fish fats and omega3 are said to help break down SHBG, so can Zinc, carbs, Boron and so on lol what a rhyme 
there is so much more to research but this seems to be a very complex subject, and one which no doubt will be shed light upon on the near future as i continie to research. Any links sent my way will be looked at, thanks and have a great night.
This thread is really good. It’s great that it got resurrected 6 years later. I noticed an abrupt change in myself, when I got laid for the first time after a prolonged, Sahara desert-like dry spell. I found myself going through the following stages, and I suppose it’s no different for most men. I don’t know if that means my testosterone spiked or dipped, but keep reading and draw your own conclusion.
The right-after stage is Stage A. The A stands for “afterglow”. That’s when you’re lying in bed, with your arm around your new lady friend, thinking “ohhhhh… yeeeeaaaaahhhh…” Or, you might think: “That’s right! Who’s da man! I’m da man!” Worn out from the activity, you conk out and fall asleep, and decide to worry about the morning awkwardness later.
First Stage is the cloud nine stage. It’s exactly that: You’re on cloud nine. It last from 24 hours to up to 5 days. You feel like Superman, ready and able to leap over tall building and stop a tidal wave with one hand. Any challenge you run into, you overcome it smashingly. Or if the challenge overcomes you, you feel good as new within minutes.
Second Stage is the nonchalance stage. You no longer feel invincible and super-human, but still super-happy. Nothing can faze you. People may crack jokes at your expense, but you just smile and mumble: “whatever…”. Time passes. You go about your life as usual. But something feels different. Trees look greener. Cars let you into their lane when you try to merge.
Third Stage is the sex munchies stage. You’ve finally come down from your high. You no longer smile at random moments. But you feel more “hungry” than before. Instead of those “why bother!” thoughts when it comes to approaching women, you feel highly compelled to do so. Not only that, you somehow feel sure that you’ll get good results if you take action.
Finally you reach Stage N. N is for “normal”. You’re back to how you normally look at situations revolving around sex. You’re more cautious again, and no longer hit on woman in the bar just because you can. But some boost of self-esteem still lingers. So you try to take advantage of it any way you know, and if you succeed, it’s back to Stage A for you.
Based on my observations, I say that sex boosts testosterone levels. But it definitely has to involve a woman, no negotiation. Using Miss Right [hand] does absolutely nothing in terms of these effects. Perhaps women’s natural body pheromones play a role. Also, I wonder if skin-to-skin contact has something to do with it, with the pheromones diffusing from a woman’s body and social-proofing the man. I found myself still getting these effects when doing “everything but that”. After all, 99% of sex involves nudity. It’d be interesting to try having sex fully clothed and see if the same stages happen.
If ever i have the opportunity to find myself with a woman which i highly doubt, and find myself in a situation to have sex, which i doubt once again, and find myself in an event where sex woupd be likely, which i doubt again lol, i may try and see if there is any difference between clothed and unclothed, but i highly doubt it. Even using 2 drops Bad Wolf never got me that far as to be able to use the condom they sent with the pheromone. Though i do have to say that eNone hasn’t gotten me in the sheets with anyone it has had effects on ovulating women, but then again that a hit or miss phero, ime one which you would probably use when you know she is ovulating, and one which doesn’t have a preset notion of who you are.
Don’t be so hard on yourself! I don’t want to say the cliche: “it’ll happen when you least expect it”, but… I didn’t even wear pheromones when I got laid recently (hence, no report full of smileys like this ), and it was with a girl I met on dating site. Attractive for the most part, but she had some some behavioral red flags (like, very vocal about wanting a boyfriend, to use one example). Only I was too “hungry” to care, if you catch my drift.
I took a train and a bus to where she lived (a hunch told me not to let her see my car), in a loft in a gentrifying neighborhood; you know, the one with used syringes on the ground in front of a Starbucks. A far cry from an urban-looking but fairly bland suburb I live in. We saw a modern art exhibit that she criticized, then went for drinks; yada yada yada, I was at Stage A (see above). Only due to the red flags, my Stage A also included anxiety. I was relieved when I called her next day (etiquette, you know), only to find that she blocked my number.
Next morning, after I smiled through the entire train ride and got back to my car, I found my windshield decorated with a ticket, for overstaying the time limit at the park-and-ride. Meh. It was worth it.
I havent been expecting it for years now, but only recently within the last few years when i started using mones and then started learning about my own signature. Ive been doing extemsive testong on my own signature, mostly through the use of Core and Kore, and also through P96. Also through the use of Ascend, and various suppliments, I’ve started to take only recently, ive started to come to conclusions about pheromone output and Testostetone relations, as well as how they go hand in hand. I’ve also begun to learn how certain pheromones affect certain people at certain times, how they are percoeved and how shit tests are dished out and how to pass them. Ivealso begun to learn about the brain/sexual organ connection, and how many ancient scripts talk about the chakra system, pineal gland and testes and their corresponding chakara systems.
To this end I’ve managed to secure me a wonderful bag of knowledge which i am willing to share with those who wish to inquire about it. There seems to be sometbing special about the number 7, and ancient civilizations have harped on this quite a bit, but the idea that testosterone ramps up every 7th day of abstonence, and the fact that majority of women have a 28 day cycle there is the idea that men are meant to ejaculate at the least 4 times within a month. Howevwr, there is that method of abstinence also added where men have the ability to gain their nutrition from absorbed seminal fluids while having the ejaculatory contractions to ward of prostate cancer. Although i was reading that the higher the ejaculatory activity of the sexual glands, the more the strain placed on the spine and brain, which leads to reduced faculty of said organ. Also the frequent use of the prostate leads to weakened and inflammed prostates which lead to prostatitis and spermatorreah. How female hormones play into this I’m not entirely sure, but i have to guess that in sexual encounters in which condoms are not used, there is an exchance in hormones, seeing that blood concentrations in these parts of the humany anatomy are easily absorbed and circulated through the rest of the body.
Interesting is the exchance of hormone and chemosensory information exchanged between human beings and we are but the least wary about them compared to our animal kingdom counterparts. Imagine if we somehpw learned how to use this kind of information to our advantage? Just imagine how much smoother life would run?
Not impossible. The girl said she “had no food in her kitchen”, so I stopped for breakfast at McDonald’s. While paying for my meal, I noticed the cashier had a DIHL on her face, and dropped my change while handing it to me. Then later, at the train station, I noticed people near me looking in my direction an awful lot, although I was the only disheveled-looking dude in a sea of suits heading to work. Don’t know those were dirty looks or jealous looks .
Or maybe I was still in the First Stage, so all those non-phero hits were just my imagination.
I’m in a different stage, set apart from the rest of all these stages which is about as far away from humanity as you can get. In this stage it pretty much is a don’t care to make an effort because none of these women are worth it, and even if they were my chances of anything happening in the way of sexual encounters would probably never happen so why make the effort stage. Besides that, what I’ve learned about sexual activity and brain activity being on a scale, i would rather remain as abstinent as possible seeing that lecithin in our body is very important for brain and nerve cells. Im still trying to figure out whether abstinence from ejaculation causes prostate cancer because i read a medical journal outlining that the cause of prostatitis and spermatorreah was frequent ejaculation to the point of prostate inflammation. Maybe the whole if you don’t jerk it you’ll get prostate cancer thing was just a lie? Who know, im still researching that.