Wow, you’re still hitting the nail on the head… she was so stuck on her negativity… her idea of positive attititude was to change “It’s not going to work” to “I’m positive it’s not going to work”. Another reason I wanted out. I’m glad you’re reminding me of all these things because the heart only sees and recalls what it wants to.
And that’s another one I have noticed… wow…
Yeah, time to just walk away from her and leave her to her own situation.
What I could never figure out wuz…
how was it so many people manage to live such miserable existences when they don’t have to ???.. I mean, why do they buy in to frames, beliefs, self images that lead them straight to nowhere… then explain that doing so is a virtue ? There was some guy I remember, awesome businessman, married the biggest goddam jerk of a wife… nobody could stand being around her, compulsive blatherer, forced people to listen to her head imploding self indulgent crap for hours, and why did this rich dope choose this of all options ? Fifteen minutes around her and you wanted to scream … and this was his idea of happiness ? 
His way of doing penance for his past sins?
Something far more prosaic, actually… his wealth had made him very complacent, he “didn’t see why he should bother” thinking outside his familiar comfort zone when sharp thinking could have saved his butt… meaning thinking in ways that might not have earned him a reassuring pat on the back from his golfing buddies.. meaning having the nerve to rock the boat of social expectations enough to shake loose the unsound pieces… but nnnnooo… his big weakness ? He wanted to be liked , I think more problematically, he needed to be liked , worse, he feared being disliked … he feared that if he showed some independence in the areas of social convention, he might get a funny look here and there… you know the little head game of “the funny look” … a little gesture full of judgmental intention when someone won’t come out with it in words, but saying with their funny looks in your direction just as clear as words, like the intentional stance is that you are supposed to feel discomfort, not maybe ostracism, but the implicit threat of ostracism, sort of like a emotional move in the middle of a negotiation, whose bluff is going to be called ? Who’s hanging the frame ?.. well, this dude with all his prowess as a businessman, all his money, and he was terrified of funny looks, he was terrified of being socially framed, he needed to go with the flow whatever it cost him, just so people would look mildly upon him… how’s that for some suck ass shit ?
It’s all about fear and being comfortable, I think.
I have friends who are in some awful relationships, but they stay in them because they know what there is to the relationships. Miserable they may be, but at least it’s not the scary unknown. It took me a couple years to overcome the fear of the unknown myself.
Now I have to get past the “If only she’d grow” crap. My heart almost had me convinced my head didn’t know what it was doing there for a little bit. Thanks, Tacitus.
Back to IFM… I didn’t wear any today. 
I guess in the pheromone department it has to do with the Buddhist concept of attachment. If you’re attached to a preconceived notion of a pheromone result you might have a different order of experience than if approach them in a non-attached frame of mind.
Same with other life issues. The Buddhist perspective was/is that the common mind suffers from frame attachments. Like there is a strongly egostical need for a frame of interpretation to apply.
Pheromones (in their more intense use) didn’t turn me into a paracticing Buddhist or anything although they did cause me to reflect on this way of thinking to a greater degree.
I suppose it would be fair to say that there is the common use of pheromones, “frame driven” … I want to get laid, I want to sell you stuff, I want to get over, I want to be liked, I want to get laid, I want to get laid… like using pheromones in the frame of hunger mantras… or operating from the position of deprivation… kind of a sophisticated poverty consciousness… gimme,gimme,gimme… need,need,need… It can be a gross inflection like a big love vacuum walking around looking to be filled or it can be a subtle vibe about people… complete me, complete me, complete me… the background drone of existence…
Or there could be the esoteric frame of no frame… potentiating the zero point energy where things spontaneously arise and collapse back into the void… using them from a being state instead of from a doing state … a condition of hightened awareness and very flexible response without appetites, without insistences…
The esoteric application, to my thinking, is by far the more interesting, because there pheromones can act as frame lubricants, frame dissolvers, frame reorganizers… instead of everybody hanging around with their hardened, set in concrete, “this is what it is” mind sets…
I love it when people thinkoutside the box.I love it even more when people get me to think outside the box. 
Today I wore the A314/IFM/LT mix again. 4 drops A314, 2 sprays IFM, 2 sprays LT. Wow, what a difference. The IFM and LT make women very lovey dovey and emotionally vulnerable together at those doses, if they already like you. Had a woman cry in my car today because she was feeling emotional, and before that she was snuggling my arm as an expression of how much she likes me. Very interesting stuff. Likewise, LT definitely seems to affect this particular woman with predictable bladder contractions and drowsiness at 2 sprays or more. Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe that’s why that cute Hispanic woman inline at the post office was doing what looked like the rain dance?
IFM seems to really soften the effects of A314 even on me. Powerful stuff.
Try A314 + TAC
Or, for a nuance a touch more internal, A314 + TAK … TAK as an additive can put you in a deep listening mode… like Elder Zen Abbot authority…
I’m going to be ordering soon. Hopefully I’ll be able to get TAL and TAH, but I don’t understand the “TA” series very well yet. What benefit would TAK be in making me go deep listening? I’mnot sure I understand.
Tonight I was to be in the company of three women, age 17, 23 and 26. The 23 year old sits far enough away that I cannot interact with her, and her boyfriend is jealous, so I write her off for these experiments. The 26 year old is my assistant, and the 17 year old is afriend of the group from work. I was assigned transport duty tonight, since I chose not to help pay for the game of pool, so I drove to get my assistant and the 17 year old, who we’ll call Ann. Ann lives way the hell out in BFE, so going to pick her up is considered the equivalent of paying for some of the game.
Knowing I was going to be transporting a young woman, I decided to try a new mix, and see what happened. The previous two times I’ve been around her, she didn’t seem very comfortable… probably because of the age difference.
Tonight, I wote 2 sprays IFM to the chest, 2 sprays CTTM2, one along each forearm, and 2 sprays of ammunition, one per side of the neck.
My assistant, who is normally rather submissive to me, was “a firecracker” in her own words in response to this mix. She describes the effect as having made her “confident, life of the party, flirty - it made me feel like i was eighteen again”. She was so feisty that she was worried it would upset me. She was really on her game, though, and generally did not pay much attention to me while we were at the pool hall. This left Ann and I to talk. And to my pleasure, we talked like old friends. She seemed very comfortable around me, as if we had been friends for weeks or months, and I was surprised how well we were able to relate during the conversation we had. During the evening, she and I ended up playing “rock paper scissors” with her, at her initiation, to determine who was going to be on my assistant’s team. I chose paper, she chose scissors, and to my slight surprise, she used her fingers to “snip” my hand. It was a slightly playful touch, and while I didn’t see anything sexual or even beyond friendly about it, the fact that she initiated touch with me at all was somewhat surprising. She was really comfortable with me.
At the end of the night, she again initiated touch, putting her hand on my shoulder as she got out of my car, thanking me for the ride. Again, nothing sexual, but it was another indication that she was unusually comfortable with me, compared to how she’d been acting the other two times.
So, apparently it is very comfortable for younger ones, and very invigorating for the women in their 20’s. As for me, I found myself talking a pretty good game, and I was actually playing much better pool than I normally do as well.
@catlord
You have to be careful with LT (oxytocin). Too much of oxytocin could really cause serious/bleeding uterine complications in women (from those info which I read). It is used to induce labor after all.
I’m interested in getting LT as well. Any thoughts of LT responses to males in general? More trust? I read about it from one of your posts about being lost in the building & giving lessons later. As you have written, LT seems to mitigate A314’s “distance” effect. Thanks.
Note : Oxytocin - Wikipedia
Check sections : Peripheral (hormonal) actions & Actions of oxytocin within the brain
i2w
Cautionary statement noted. I’ll be careful with it.
LT does seem to soften A314’s distance effects in some ways… it seems to say, “I’m still awesome, but you can come bask in my glory now.”
I haven’t tested LT recently, but I did note that males seemed to be affected, but in a different manner than females.
LT seems to act as a reductor of the constant, automatic emotional shield people typically have up to defend themselves from the world. It seemed to me something along the lines of reducing the thickness of the skin on your heel; the skin there is thick to protect the soft flesh and nerves underneath. By reducing it, you can feel more without necessarily being in pain. LT seems to relax them to get them to expose and express themselves more emotionally in a similar manner.
I think this reduces the distance effect of A314 by llowing people to express their natural admiration for strong, leader types more readily.
Aside from that, I haven’t had the chance to test LT well enough to comment much further.
I can say this: A314 + IFM + LT is a fantastic comfort combo for women. I plan on trying the following when I have everything:
LT
IFM
IShine
CTTM
If that doesn’t make women completely relaxed around me, I don’t know what will.
New concept - no -None is required sometimes to get the girl and even to ‘turn up the heat’ with one!
Had success last night with a nice new lady (2nd date) while wearing 1 drop ‘Mutant’ A314 (I don’t think 1 small drop does anything though), 2 sprays IFM, 3 sprays Instant Shine (double strength version) and 3 sprays CTTM-M2. Conversations were deep and meaningful as might be expected from the substantial amounts of Beta-Nol and A1. I was looking good as well and have been improving game but the artificial mones definitely played a role. Most of all I was aggressive - you can’t go wearing all these social/comfort mones and be a ‘nice’ guy - that won’t attract a cute chick. Despite the way I was aggressive (kino, kissed her unexpectedly, etc.) I met little resistance compared to usual and I can attribute that to lack of -None on both dates. She said she felt very comfortable with me.
If I wore -None I could expect some kind of weirdness/paranoia next time I contact her, but instead I am expecting nothing but smiles.
Visionary
I’ve decreased my none usage significantly over the past couple of months with great success. I think none certainly is certainly has its benefits, and when it the responses go well, they go really well…but unless someone is fully comfortable with you, it can create enough tension to actually be detrimental to you.
This is coming from someone who used to wear extremely high amount of none (3 drops of NPA). At those amounts when the hits came, they were really good, but it did create a kind of anti-social vibe quite a bit. Nowadays I see hits more frequently using less or no none, though I do still use none when I feel the time is right. Ammunition is my none product of choice right now. Far weaker than NPA, but very good at getting attention
I only use None to use up what I have left of TE, and in 500 nanogram/spray quantities to test with 'rone for trying to replicate what Pherlure does. None seems to have no good effect for me. I frequently go straight to overdose with it.
Lately, my mixes have been much less sexual in orientation, and more geared towards comforting women. I have noted that adding LT seems to kill the sexuality of the mixes I have tried it with. It seems to be like this eraser of sexuality in my experiences.
I’m thinking that IFM also has a reduction effect on the sexuality of my mixes, at least in doses up to 3 sprays, which is what I have tried so far.
LT is not necessarily oxytocin. Posts I’ve been shown about it indicate everyone is getting a pro-diuretic effect, whereas actual oxytocin is an antidiuretic.
That’s why they watch for autointoxication (self-poisoning) when they administer oxytocin via IV. I’m surprised no one picked up on this.
Either the effects of LT are placebo effect/mass hypnosis gone wild, or another molecule is at play.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15280526
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=803783
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7543252
http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch155/ch155k.html?qt=oxytocin&alt=sh
The antidiuretic effect has even made it’s way into medical dictionaries:
“Fatal oxytocin-induced water intoxication: undue retention of water, marked by vomiting, depression of temperature, convulsions, and coma and may end in death.”
I think that happened is people read that it increases UTERINE contractions, and wrongly thought that you pee with your uterus (!!!) – preprogramming an effect.
This is exactly why I test products and mixes blind, or as blind as possible (the whole “Test first, describe second” principle we’re famous for). The placebo effect is just too strong.
I know all those men who pee out of their uterus are really bummed to hear this, Mike.
I was informed by someone on a different forum that it caused uterine and bladder contractions… I didn’t bother to look it up, because I had already observed the effect before I was aware of it.
I used 4 sprays the first time, and told nobody I had it on. True, a blind test isn’t as good as a double blind, but I don’t see how me knowing I am wearing a spray that claims to be oxytocin would make me influence others to pee, especially when I didn’t know anything about oxytocin at the time aside from that it is associated with cuddling, bonding through touch, and trusting. I also didn’t know it was going to make me (and her) tired.
I noticed the same with WAGG, so I eventually ditched it. I had high hopes when I got WAGG based on the feedback that people gave it on LS, but in my case it had a pretty profound anti-sexual effect…to the extent of creating condescension from others. This all went away with low doses of WAGG, however at those doses I saw no beneficial effects either.
I haven’t noticed the same with IFM though. I will say that I haven’t had as much success sexually with IFM as others here, but I haven’t noticed it having any anti-sexual effects either. IFM works really well for me once you get some one-on-one time with a lady. Whether its a sexual situation or not, they just tend to open up to you. I’ve also noticed great effects in groups of women too. They eat up your jokes and listen to everything you have to say intently.
Naturally, this means more testing is required.