Below we have more posts on the dangers of excessive comfort/social pheromones when left unbuffered by something strong. P101, Estratetraenol (EST), and WAGG are** shown as examples of the problem. **
I believe the ‘next generation’ of social/comfort pheromone products will not be just about creating comfort and friendliness but about doing those things IN ADDITION TO giving off vibe of high status/dominance, being respected and in control. That is the idea behind combining two products like MX105 and P74 (with added Alpha-Androstenol)…
Starting to test P84, P94 and P101: how each compares to alpha-nol, TAA and A314 (Starting to test P84, P94 and P101: how each compares to alpha-nol, TAA and A314)
examine (March 14, 2007):
“…[P101] does smell different [to TAA]. i meant the vibe [is similar to that of TAA]. it sorta has a happy vibe, shiny vibe–but its not too giggly like alpha Androstenol. i noticed at the bar, the waitress whom is an alpha female, never actually got into a conversation with me. just “hey you, whats up” this time..she gave me a drink, then we chatted, then, i asked if she had a custom drink..she made it…i went back to playing pool. then she came over to ask me about the drink. i said something like “whos at the bar?” she replied, “ah its dead and im bored”
i also asked her if she wanted to play, which she agreed, but then she had customers.
btw. i wore P84 2-3 hours prior. i noticed P84 stuck around for awhile.
the spray (101) does not command respect, and it creates a very very friendly vibe to others. i can see how 101 would be great for lonewolves, however, authority figures (boss) would see you as weak. i got picked on by my boss. and i mean she really drilled me. im usually very sharp tongue and defensive, but i just kept silent…which felt a bit emotional. that is very unlike me.”
Overdue: EST, MEO-EST, and Further P83+P74+P79 testing. (Overdue: EST, MEO-EST, and Further P83+P74+P79 testing.)
Eslite119 (March 2008):
“…EST (https://phera.com/):
In general, I believe EST tends to create that protect vibe. In other words, people exposed to EST get a sense that they need to “protect” the wearer of this pheromone. This tends to create a different type of respect (in contrast to Androsterone), where people exposed to it let you “have it your way.” However, this type of vibe or the protect vibe is not always good IMHO as it leads some people to undermine you in the process. I’m sure I confused some readers at this point, so let me give you my most recent example.
EST at Poker night:
Dosage: 4 sprays of EST (200mcg) all applied to hair. Applied 3 hours before the event.
Last weekend, I was to get together with some people that I’ve known since high school. Haven’t seen them since then, but we sort of had a reunion. I’ve worn pheros couple times to Poker games, and some of the pheros used were P74 and >A314. By no means I used pheros to swindle money from others, but just happened to had the old applications on and ran into a poker game by coincidence. This time was different. I applied EST mainly to test it out to see what happens and also to confirm some of my theories on this phero.
At the table, there were some people that I was not familiar with and we had 10 total; 4 females and 6 males including myself. Third hand, flipped my card and I saw pocket kings. Good so far. 7 out of 10 folded and the flop reveals 2 kings and 1 Jack. At this point I know I won, so I observe the other two players and see their reactions. One folds and other one stays and bets. I raise and he calls. Turn reveals a card, but I really don’t remember what it was (does it matter?). My opponent, who had more chips than I, calls whatever I had left, so I call. Crowd goes wild after seeing my cards, and I sweep the table.
A female player next to me, doesn’t compliment me, but rather teaches me as to how to play poker (you should’ve done this, that, blah blah blah). I kinda ignore her. On the 7th or the 8th hand (sorry can’t remember), I get a full house on the river and once again I was up against only one player (person I know well). This opponent was telling me to fold rather than enticing me to go all in. He’s saying that he didn’t want me to lose money and so forth, but he was expressing it in a way that made me believe that he meant it. Eventually he goes all in and I call. He had 3 of a kind and I sweep the table again.
At this point I was the chip leader. A female player, again, teaches me as to how I should play poker. This time I got annoyed and some people on the table caught on. The table split into two when debating. One part was saying, “leave _____ alone he’s trying to have a good time,” while the rest was saying, “I don’t want ____ to lose money.” Ummmm excuse me? A lot went through my mind and ultimately ruined my mood to continue on. I won more hands afterwards, but I was thrown off course and just couldn’t concentrate. After the little debate, I got a sense that I really didn’t belong there; people seemed to act as if they were playing amongst 9 adults and 1 high school student. Maybe I’m over analyzing, but I didn’t like the vibe I got. But then again the other 9 played amongst themselves before and this was my first time joining their group.
I wanted to quit, but since this was a first time playing with this crowd, I decided not to cash out my winnings. I steadily and purposefully (believe it or not) lost the subsequent hands.
Very different experience compared to my previous poker games. When wearing P74 and especially >A314, I got the respect. People took me seriously and characterized me as a disciplined player. Once again, EST tends to create that “protect” vibe. I think the female player next to me was giving me advices, regardless of my winnings, strictly out of concern as did some other players. However, she didn’t seem to realize that she was undermining me in the process. When she was commenting as to “should you be doing this? or that?” she was completely forgetting the fact that 1) it was my money that was at risk and 2) I can make decisions of my own. It was as if the entire table was like mommy and daddy trying to tell the kid how to spend his allowance.
Conclusion: EST is not the type of phero that I’m looking for. However, I think female users will benefit much more if they use it.”
Worst product you have ever used - #4 by Rob (Worst product you have ever used - #4 by Rob)
Rob (June 22, 2006):
“…The absolute worst I’ve tried was WAGG!!! That has to be some sort of wimp pheremone or something. I may as well just sit there and “wagg my butt” like some loser, because that is exactly the type of hits it subconsciously gives…”
Lone Wolves/CEE : IS/m + WAGG - #5 by Rob (Lone Wolves/CEE : IS/m + WAGG - #5 by Rob)
Rob (July 6, 2006):
“WAGG for some reason seems to be a wussy pheromone. I tried it on certain people and I noticed that girls were prone to treating you like a “nice guy” and you were more of a target for bully’s.”
Asians and mones (Asians and mones)
sigma (April 14, 2006):
“What’s up pilot,
Asians typically benefit from wearing more none. I usually wear twice as much none as people typically wear. I haven’t felt the need to wear any more than 3 drops (though I usually wear 2) of A314 (A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314), so I don’t think there’s too much variability on ethnicity as far as A314. One thing I have noticed, however, is that I VERY easily stumble into the negative reactions with the softer products. I’m still famiarizing myself with the products here so I couldn’t offer much in regards to what’s used here, but I’ve had experiences with Androstadienone and WAGG where people around me grew highly condescending.
Nowadays I usually use these products in highly intimate or personal situations only, or when off-set with a none heavy product.”
Can women use Instant Female Magic? Good for mood, but careful around men - #58 by sigma (Can women use Instant Female Magic? Good for mood, but careful around men - #58 by sigma)
sigma (June 11, 2006):
“…I noticed the same with WAGG, so I eventually ditched it. I had high hopes when I got WAGG based on the feedback that people gave it on LS, but in my case it had a pretty profound anti-sexual effect…to the extent of creating condescension from others. This all went away with low doses of WAGG, however at those doses I saw no beneficial effects either…”
Help/Advice A314/IS - #107 by sigma (Help/Advice A314/IS - #107 by sigma)
sigma (August 22, 2006):
“…In my case WAGG created nothing but negative effects, however the experience taught me to lay low with the comfort pheromones (Help/Advice A314/IS), and to focus more on social and aggressive pheromones…”
What pheromones do WAGG contain? - #4 by sigma (What pheromones do WAGG contain? - #4 by sigma)
sigma (May 14, 2007):
“**WAGG is definitely a product that seems to soften a person’s image…for better or for worse. It has actually elicited some condescension in people in my case…**this is easily tempered with something more aggressive, but it became pointless for me to ever use it, as there were no real beneficial effects for me…only negative ones that I needed to mitigate with other pheromones (What pheromones do WAGG contain?). I think the condescension came with mixes that incorporated a lot of androstadienone…its been a while since I’ve used it…”