Help/Advice A314/IS

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I am surprised and disappointed to say that I have not received a single noticeable hit from A314 and Instant Shine usage. :confused:

I have read numerous posts stating that people are treated unusually well while wearing A314, but wonder how these people are treated to begin with. Me, I am normally called “Sir” and treated with respect by others while at work. I work in a highly technical, team based healthcare and education environment that is one of the top institutions in the world. Is A314 a waste of money for me? Is my “baseline” level of prestige too high? FYI: I am not a Doctor or a Phd.

I have tried 4 drops of A314 and 4 sprays of Instant Shine for the past two days, and had tried 3 drops of A314 by itself for one day before that.

I was expecting SOMETHING unusual or noticeable, even a “you stink” or “what is that smell?” reaction would have been helpful. The “James Bond effect” or women licking my neck (ahem, catlord you lucky pr!ck) were not really expected, but I was expecting to notice something, such as at least a slight mood elevation from I-shine. In addition, I sometimes catch a nasty wiff of something every once in awhile, which is similar to but weaker than the reek/stink that I got from using SOE gel. I haven’t seen this smell reported in posts by anyone else. The smell disappears as soon as I notice it, like when I smell NPA - so is it reacting negatively with my body chemistry, or being cancelled out by my own pheromone output?

I am applying the A314 to the back of my ears and around my neck. I am spraying the IS twice in my hair (after it is dry) and once on my chest and once on my back. I am then spraying a small amount of cologne once on my chest and once on my back.

I need advice on dose, application points, order of application, and how long before I should begin noticing anything. Others have reported instant and noticeable mood elevation from I-Shine use, so due to the lack of these effects I am ready to return it. Note that I cannot apply anything to my wrists due to the nature of my work, and I do not care to apply more during the middle of the day. I apply my pheromones around 7 to 7:30 a.m. and begin working at 8:30 am after a 45 minute drive.

Any advice, help, or observations would be sincerely appreciated.

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It seems to me that you may be putting too much. I apply 1 spray of MX102 (it’s a copy of Alpha A314, but less concentrated and more diffusive than a drop of A314). I once applied 7 sprays of pheromones, it was like I was a ghost, nobody ever noticed me until a chick accidentally hit my back, she said sorry and disappeared.

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How much is too much, and which pheromone are you talking about? I thought the dose of A314 was age-dependant, and was ready to double my dose of IS to 8 sprays.

I will NOT apply anything to my face because my skin is extremely sensitive.

Scent of Eros reeks on my skin, and to re-cap, I get mostly negative hits from NPA and a few possible positives that I’ve chalked up to my situation and environment, not the pheromones.

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Any pheromone takes awhile to know the nature of. In this day and age of impersonal service, and even impersonal friendships, brought on by excessive computer usage, there are very low levels of true social awareness.

I know you’ve tried many good products from many brands, and from PMing you, you aren’t happy with any of them. Products which do produce effects, whether you are mentally noticing them or not.

I’m not sure what it is you hope to achieve with pheromones. When I asked, you refused to articulate it. The best you provided is something that shows “they work”, but that’s not really a social goal to achieve all.

You already have products from other brands which will easily show that they work, if only by negatives. (androstenone)

If you don’t have the ability to see effects from something like The Edge (a decent product from LaCroy), which provides both blatant positives & negatives, then it won’t be easy for you to notice effects from other products.

Most people tend to attribute positive effects to themselves (or their environment), and negatives to outside factors (such as pheromones). You see this with sport teams – people say “We won!” when their team wins, and “They lost!” when their favorite team loses.

If you can’t see negatives from high androstenone, I’m really not sure you’ll ever “see anything” that modifies social behavior at all, unless you take the time to learn more about human expression – body language, voice tone, etc.

I think you’d be better served by a social calibration course from Kevin Hogan or Richard Bandler.

There’s also free “pick up” information involving social calibration at fastseduction.com and the Mystery Method forums. Both can help.

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As to product specifics:

Not everyone gets self-mood elevation from iShine. Smokers (there’s no significant VNO activity for Shine’s pheromone mix) and those with low neurotransmitter levels generally don’t notice much.

Some responders, including me (as an initial responder to the effect), go into an outcome independent phase where our confidence overrules feedback we’re getting. i.e., we overlook data.
In these cases, friends/wingman/pivots notice more about the actual effects than you.

Some of the non-self responders have noticed effects on others best. The user here that uses the forum name “M&M” noticing his server at a restaurant talking about suddenly feeling good for no reason at all.

Again, it’s simply a case of long term usage allowing you to better know the nature of the products, and their effects. At the same time, your social awareness will be growing. You grow social awanress muscles.

Over time, you can easily notice contrasts besides baseline social behavior, and the type of behavior you get w/ a certain product.

A314 is a compliance product that doesn’t provide “hits” of the type that people normally talk about. I don’t know what you’re “looking for”, but you won’t see it.

With A314, you act, and get a compliant reaction. It’s like motor oil – a social lubricant that only works when the motor is running, and does nothing noticable if you don’t. It’s not the type of things that generates huge overts just by benig in someone’s vicinity.

Keep in mind that men who *act *are attractive, not men who receive or expect to receive. Women are wired to respond to men who initiate.

Men who actively look for hits and aggressive flirting behavior from women are the least attractive men of all. That’s a feminine behavior. It’s a mousey thing for men to do.

You take yourself out of the game that way.

You still need to develop social awareness, but se sure to look very “lightly”, otherwise people will respond to your act of looking itself. The observer affecting the observed.

Make sure initiation and other male patterns consist of the bulk of your behavior, otherwise you’re like a guy using feminine social strategies. The wrong female social strategies. Like a guy wearing red pumps and lipstick… and not many women will find that attractive!

Which is not to say that you can’t take attraction strategies from women. You just have to be highly selective over what you implement.

One of the best female attraction strategy to copy is their “hard to get” social schema. Both men and women are attracted to what is rare and unavailable.

You can also copy social strategies from women that come from them having excessive amounts of men available to them. Doing things that clearly transmit to women that you must be getting laid, otherwise you’d never do that (“neg hits” and the like), are powerful attraction behaviors right out of lady’s own rulebook.

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I’ve posted my clearly negative hits from NPA, etc on Love Scent and didn’t refuse to articulate my expectations to you. I’m looking for overt, unusual “hits” like DIHLs or innapropriate/uncalled for responses that I can’t attribute to typical social behavior. I refered you to my “Short fat Guy” Love Scent thread, and will repost that thread here for clarity if necessary. I also have been careful with my wording and mentioned that the possible positive effects which I have observed were not as dramatic as what others have posted. I’m comfortable stating that I’m not missing the boat on this, and I’ve also clearly stated that I’m not interested in “picking up” anyone. Lastly, I’m also content with the body language “lingo” and observational skills and I’ve learned in my graduate level courses. I can’t stand cheezy motivational “influence people” type courses.

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HOLY SH— I am so sorry, but I neglected to mention that I currently cycle through a wide variety of herbal and pharmaceutical stimulants regularly and can’t believe I overlooked this. My entire system is totally and completely primed for fat-loss/lipolysis and this is probably effecting my reaction to and output of pheromones.

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The bodybuilder stack is pretty extreme.

Even caffeine alone can have you running on empty in terms of dopamine and norepinephrine. Combine that with yohimbe, aspirin/willow, ephedrine/ma huang, etc., and you really don’t have neurotransmitters to spare.

Put another way – stimulants put the foot on the pedal, but they don’t refill the gas tank.

The stack is also very hard on the adrenals, so you get more into race metaphors. If you take your car out to the track often, you have to be willing to spend big bucks on frequent motor rebuilds, besides all the normal stuff like gas & brakes.

Gas, you need much more than normal. Stimulants are like race mods. I’ve known people who modify their cars, and get 6 miles to the gallon. Something roughly similar happens to your brain when using stimulants.

You may want to try peptide preloading (“brain gas” :slight_smile:). You may have to adjust your stimulants downward, since they’ll become more effective.

In the morning, on an empty stomach, try 2 to 3 grams of l-phenylalnine (be careful of l-tyrosine), 2 grams vitamin C, 50mg b6, 2-3 mg copper.

If you take this in liquid form, wait a good half an hour before eating. Capsules – an hour.

You can find good peptide precursors premixed at life-enhancement.com.

FastBLAST, one of many formulas:
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You can expect your mood and overall feeling of self to improve with peptide preloading, but I’m not sure if you’ll ever get the pleasant self-effects some of our products provide while using high amounts of stimulants.

Stimulants are rough stuff. You’ll cut fast, but you’re taking a biochemical beating for doing it.

How about Avant Lab’s Sesamin? Newer tech like that might offer an alternative method of optimizing your biochemistry for weight loss, but I fear that it may be noneffective fluff… like so many other weight loss fads that come on hard, and fade out just as strong.

I know, I know – “The stack” works, which is why so many return to it, but surely there must be alternatives out there somewhere.

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Let me tell you a little about one of my many experiences with Alpha A314. My friend and I were sitting down at a table in a bar/club. We both had A314 on the front and backs of our necks. On both sides of us there was a table with guys and girls. One of the guys behind came to sit down and I moved my chair to give him a little room to sit down, the guy was massively happy that a guy with such a strong aura (produced by the A314) was giving him some room, the guy seemed massively happy about me. Now, the girl that was sitting with that guy was fucking horny about me being there. The 5 guys and 2 girls sitting behind my friend seemed to be all turned towards my friend and I, they were doing things to try to impress us such as talking louder, being more serious etc… The only negative side effect that I have noticed is: when I am around my family, they are not used to me being such “high value”, and my mother responds negatively, not my father though. Now, for the effects on me, when I wear A314, I feel a lot more serious, mentally focused and become disrespectful towards “inferior people”, so I have to watch myself to not be offensive. Sadly, my friend hasn’t realised that and acts like a f**king dush bag. A314 is pretty cool, but the effects are hard to notice, you must wear it at least 10 times to see all its benefits. Perhaps you should combine it with some pheromones like CTTM2, I have used this with A314 and TUTH, yesterday the girls kept looking over their shoulder towards use, but sadly, I don’t have the balls to initiate a conversation with them. In my opinion, A314 should be the least used product, but since you seem older, perhaps you can wear a little more such as 1,5 drops. Also, if you are not getting good effects, you should apply it on your shin. If i were you, i would add CTTM2, it only costs 27$.

I once only applied A314, it was as if i were a ghost, you MUST add some friendly pheromones in my opinion.

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I’ve been loading up on choline and mineral tablets, not much else, so I will probably order FastBlast or buy something similar tomorrow. Today while sitting in a meeting it was obvious to everyone around me that I was shaky and sweating slightly more than I should. During the meeting an administrator looked at me with concern, so I just whispered the words “diet pills”, and they nodded, gave me an “Ah-Ha!” look, and stopped watching me so closely.

Should I lay off the pheromones while I’m on my diet and supplement stack? My biochemistry is not exactly “normal” right now, and I have to admit that I need to be careful of late-night mood swings when the stims wear off. I’ve been on them for so long that their effects seem “normal” or ordinary for me.

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A314 isn’t a product that creates overt, in your face type of hits. The effects of A314 are more deep and subdued, though highly profound. “Still waters run deep” as they say. The everyday benefits I see from using A314 come not from seeing in your face hits… if those were my expectations, I’d say that the product was a bust for me as well. What you will see is a change in the way percieve you once you open yourself up to them. Its hard to put the exact effects of A314 into words, but it does create a strong feeling of control…control of the people around you, and full control of how you carry yourself. In intimate settings with women, this can project a powerful sense of an ability to be in control of yourself, your emotions, and the progression of the interaction you have with a woman. Control isn’t something thats given to you, however. You have to TAKE control.

For the record, pheromones will very rarely create the in your face hits that a lot of people expect…its an unfair expectation to have of any pheromone product IMO. The effects of pheromones are usually well within what one would consider typical social behavior - pheromones effect mood and perception, much more than they effect behavior. Don’t get me wrong, these types of ‘hits’ do occur, however because people are more likely to post the in your face hits than the subtle everyday ones (which are arguably more beneficial), the frequency of these types of effects are misrepresented.

I have had trouble with A314 in more casual settings because the effects of A314 don’t match up with how I carry myself in these settings. I’ve been working on using A314 more casually, however, by paying more mind to how I carry myself, and by complementing the effects with more socially oriented mones. High amounts of Betanol and/or alphanol seem to work well at buffering against the negative effects…though not amounts excessive enough to detract from the positive effects of A314.

My best advice is to keep on experimenting with different methods of using A314 and the products you own until you build a solid understanding of each product based on your own experiences, not just what you’ve heard. Once you’ve got that down, the positive effects become that much more apparant, and the overtly off the wall positive hits come much more frequently.

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A314 possibly did have positive effects on young females who I worked with today, but they did not act in an unusual, atypical fashion. They singled me out to ask questions as opposed to asking other senior staff questions, but this is a normal response to my personality and is one of the specific reasons I was hired for the position I currently have.

How old are you and what do you do for a living? Are you financially dependent on either of them?

I have a goofy, sappy, zany sense of humor that I use to calm patients but I’m taken very seriously by others. I have problems turning off the goofiness around women in social situations, so I am not keen on things like Scent of Eros and I actually fear the idea of being exposed to Instant Honesty or Instant Openness. I’d likely act like a damned clown.

I don’t have any problems initiating conversations. I’ve got “brass balls”, but honestly just don’t get out much.

I’ve been using 4 drops, based on my age of 36. Is this an incorrect dose?

I don’t ever feel like a ghost at work or when I apply myself, but will avoid using A314 by itself because it seems like a waste, given my usual environment.

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In other words, Alpha A314 makes you act like Tuvok the Vulcan in Star Trek Voyager.:smiley::smiley::slight_smile::slight_smile::smiley:

(Yes, I love all star treks, except the original, but I’m not a geek :wink:)

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When i mentioned that i was looking for overt hits it was a response to MHarris’ assertion that i wasn’t clear on what i wanted from -pheromones. I wasn’t specifically refering to A314 at that time. BUT to be honest I was expecting something dramatic from Instant Shine or the combination of A314 and Instant Shine.

Seems I bought into the hype of the dramatic posts I’ve read.

Damn.

It’s normal for me to be respected and in control – I will only notice other, contrary kinds of behavior, so now I don’t see how I can make detached observations of A314s influence when I am at work. I am also already very adept at exerting control or diffusing tense or violent situations when they occur.

Damn again.

I haven’t been in such a situation while using A314 (yet) .

Thanks for the advice and the posting, Sigma. Enlightening and useful!

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In my opinion 4 drops of A314 is alot. Re applying is better.

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My Dad is a Trekkie. I’m just a lowly geek who is embarrassed to admit that I know almost as much about Star Trek as he does.

And the Tuvok description is only a slight bit off…
Imagine him in “Pon Farr” - that’s me on NPA.

(Google it, dammit)

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HOLY LOL, yes I remember the episode were Tuvok goes crazy and starts to attack everyone, he must mate, but he is like 40 000 light years from his mate and starts dying! Do people put you in a holodeck to relieve your condition, or do they let you loss in the streets :wink:

Pon farr is a condition in the fictional Star Trek universe that induces the desire to mate in an adult Vulcan. The concept debuted in the 1967 episode “Amok Time”, written by Theodore Sturgeon.
Although Vulcans live strictly by the dictates of logic, their veneer of civilization is ripped away from them during pon farr, every seven years (for males; an undisclosed interval for females) of their adult life. Once triggered, Vulcans must have sexual contact with someone, preferably their mate, or else face insanity and death. Vulcans are capable of engaging in sexual relations outside of pon farr.

So, you are VERY VERY horny on NPA?

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Perhaps this may be of use to you:

OD = OverDose.
Mild OD = women may be attracted but feel ill at ease, drunk girls may find you strangely alluring.
Moderate OD = older women may find you attractive, but most do not
Bad OD = most people start acting agitated, defensive, or even aggressive
Maximum OD = everybody clears out

(I feel that you may be overdosing)

I once had everyone clearing out, there was a 10 foot no fly zone around me!

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If I could just connect specific doses of specific -pheromones to that “OD” list, I’d be in business. I think I’m going to add 2 drops of NPA and “refresh” with 2 sprays of IS (on my clothing) after work tomorrow, just to see what happens.

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Gabe, here are some suggestions for you.

  1. Start off at the lowest possible dose, and alternate with no pheromone days. For instance, 1 drop A314 one day, nothing the next; then again, a few times, before you move to two drops. And so on.
  2. Use one pheromone product at a time until you are familiar with them and how they make you and others respond.
  3. You sound as if you already have most of the intended benefits A314 is designed to give… is it possible that you don’t notice the responses because they’re so similar to what you normally see that they’re simply too subtle?
  4. Instant Shine is more of a “you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone” influence for me. I use it on my forearms and neck, and sometimes directly on my face. I use 2-6 sprays at a time.