Been dating for about six weeks, great woman… it’s just that she’s a bit gun-shy after a bad 3-year LTR with an asshole. So I’d like to help her along a bit, if you get my drift
I have Ammo, IShine (running a little low), Instant Female Magic, and a sample of Turn Up The Heat.
I was thinking of getting some A314 to add that “I’m dependable, but you better not screw up or I’m going to leave you because I’m James Bond” feel. Ideas? I’m 27 years old, Caucasian, and about 5’10, 160lbs.
A314 can be an attractant, for lack of a better term, as far as “You can count on me, I can take care of you, I’m a good provider” kind of thing. But, if you’re not good at initiating, I don’t think it would work for you…no congruency. Start with one drop and work up from there. Too much and she might get the feeling that she’s just not good enough for you…a little too much DHV. I’ve read about people having negative reactions with more than 4 drops, so definitely heed the advice about starting with one drop. Do not pair the A314 with TUTH, especially if she’s already gun shy. You would probably just scare her off with that much “power” and “aggressiveness”.
Consider re-ordering your Shine and adding Instant Honesty too. You want to show her that you’re fun and that she can feel comfortable around you and deepen your connection. These two are really great for decreasing personal space which is great in any serious relationship AND it helps with communication which is soooo important. The IFM also pairs nicely with these and will put her at ease. Just don’t spray too much close to your face or it may bring you “down” a little. It affects some guys this way, others not, just depends on the person.
I suggest either of these combos but don’t use the A314 together with Ammo or TUTH.
a) 1 drop of A314 OR Ammo (not both!) + Shine + Honesty +IFM combo for daily use
b) TUTH + Shine + Honesty + IFM combo ONLY IF you’re on the way to the bedroom and sex is emminent
Ammo, IS, IFM, IH, A314, and TUTH would be an AWESOME starter arsenal!
So, what kind of reactions have you gotten so far with using pheros?
You can get great results with Instant Female Magic - and add a bit of A314 taking it gradually at first. The A314 signals that you are a good provider, and the IFM provides! (it provides a lovely feeling for women) Tisha even described Androstadienone as a “safe” feeling for women, which is why probably I have found IFM to work so well with A314. Also you can’t really IMHO go wrong with adding one or two sprays of Instant Shine to any combo. It seems to make people want to get physically closer to bask in the nice TAA vibes, and of course the rest of your pheromonal payload is enhanced then, through proximity
Instant Honesty will help you get an important intimate connection that is the precursor to or accelerator of physical intimacy. When you have a substantial degree of physical intimacy, and starting off conservatively at 1 spray to test the waters, Turn Up The Heat.
Used correctly, an A314/IFM base will demonstrate to her that you are a good guy, while still coming across as an alpha male with high value. So the old bad LTR should pale into insignificance. If you play it right she will very quickly learn to associate the nice Androstadienone feelings and the protective aura of the A314 with you.
Do try out the IFM in a neutral situation beforehand, though, to check that it doesn’t affect you badly. If so, apply IFM where you cannot so readily smell it yourself, and apply Ishine where you can smell it yourself to offset any side effects from the IFM. If not, you are, like me, one of the lucky ones, and can bathe in Androstadienone (and DIHLs )
ntk23 reps. I can’t believe you only joined in August your like a pheromone guru.
I like the sound of this but what do you mean play it right? I try to act congrugent but also stay very true to myself at teh same time, will repeated exposure still cause someone to associate those feelings with you?
Hey thanks for your kind words WildFlower. I approve of your post… so… reps back at ya!
By “play it right” I do mean what you refer to, learning how to “use A314” in particular, there is a knack to it that is actually mostly subconscious, it seems to me. But people do it all the time and the learning curve is very quickly negotiated for the vast majority of new A314 users who post to the forum.
Well, everyone’s situation will be different. But Bobofgog should find out that he can give this woman something that only a select very few men can (and they’re scattered all over the world!) like that nice beatific feeling that will come from her being exposed to IFM, and the feelings of safety from being around the A314-alpha male. These will help Bobofgog immensely with confidence in this relationship, and he will see how to progress.
Bobofgog, if all goes well you can see the good reactions that your pheros cause, and just act cool but caring, and in fact just imagine the situation from her point of view. I have found it difficult to try and understand what might be going on in the head of a woman feeling the effects of A1, but… ah here we go: Ladies, a little something on IFM from the female point of view, if you would, please
And then with the A314, she is probably feeling a little overawed, but intrigued, with the Ishine, she is probably feeling “shiny”, etc. The “second person perspective” should help you figure out your next moves.
WildFlower, it is admittedly rather a dry and soulless term to use but: “Pavlovian Conditioning” - one can even phase out the use of the pheros in theory after a certain number of exposures (and each “conditionee’s” mileage may vary in this respect) because the psychological association between the proximity of say an IFM wearer and the nice feelings a woman will get are so strongly established. Of course, it is not quite so simple as that, the guy might have to start wearing IFM again at a later date to reinforce the stimulus-response thing again. So intermittent periods of use of pheromones/no use of pheromones should be a perfectly good strategy, it saves on expensive pheros and stops any tolerance being built up too much with the target.
I rarely use A314 in a date setting or around woman. I prefer to use either ammo or Turn up the Heat as a base and use Instant Female magic as well as a few socials.
I get plenty of hits and my success is good but I’m always intrigued as to what a girl might be feeling around the socials, none and female magic. At 20 I think A314 is to serious for hanging with girls although it does have it uses for me. Do you think I’m “giving girls that feeling only few men can”? Off course I’m being my BEST self and I understand a bit of PUA stuff, I pull my own weight I don’t just rely on pheromones. I’d love to know if pheromones raise your attractiveness simply to a higher level, similar to that of other guys or whether they help you be seen as someone who “stands out from the crowd”. Someone who can emote feelings and the girl not able to pin point them thus making the guy mysterious and special.
I wish there where more threads on the subject because we all know they work and what they cause but what I’d really love to know is what targets really feel and interpret, my guess would be a “presence” like an aura. Do you believe people can really associate the feelings they get of people they see regulary wearing pheromones accuratly enough to associate those feelings to that person.
Especially with a high dose of A1 to a responsive female, few guys can just get, for example, DIHLs from several strange girls in one day/night just from being there, it seems to me. When there is some interaction with the females, of course the potential is greatly enhanced. But to get DIHLs from random women in the vicinity, as I have had a few of with 6 sprays of IFM, is highly unusual. I do not see the same sort of thing happening without pheros. Maybe if I was Johnny Depp or something… When you add the conversational skills, body language skills and ability to relate to the target, things can get much much better pretty quickly.
I say A1 because I have got very good hits off it and because it is one of the better-studied pheromones in science departments. Other guys can work to give women similar feelings without the aid of pheromones, but the A1-wearer, it seems to me, just has to show up and act reasonably civil in the first instance. Some other guys will produce a lot of A1 naturally, of course, but nowhere near the level of say 6 IFM sprays. But when the A1-wearer puts some additional work in as well, mindful of the fact his aura is already giving women some good feelings, then he can work the “mysterious and special” angle confident in the fact that he has already made quite an impression. He could in fact “pace” it, where he acknowledges the woman’s feelings… not in so many words but more with his body language, tonality and stuff.
And A314, P74 and Ishine (individually or in a combo) seem in their different ways to silence that doubting voice inside that I know I have sometimes got, and I have read about other men getting too, that worries about saying the wrong thing and blowing it.
Yeah reactions are harder to get from strangers than those who you meet through your social circle and get to know.
I just really want to know the feelings evoked by pheromones. A good example would be: I meet a girl through social circle and we hang out 6 times in a space of a month. I wear 2 sprays of ammo, 3 Instant Female Magic, 4 Instant Shine and alternate between 4 sprays of Instant Openness and 4 Instant Honesty. Now I get hits and she becomes attracted, we start making out etc. All of this obviously proves to me that pheromones are working but I still don’t get how I am being perceived. I guess your right in that other men can work to achieve the same feelings without phermones but I thought that maybe pheromones caused feelings more new and unexplainable for woman which really causes you to become addictive and stand out from other guys.
Actual Hits I get of Instant Female Magic are very rare which caused me to doubt it at first although I never went as high as 6 sprays. I noticed that it started working when using it with other products but still I don’t get out and out hits it’s just seems to increase the vibe of conversations. I definatly see it working now but I find it hard to see just exactly how it is being percieved.
Yeah, I suppose at the end of the day, none of us are mind readers, but we can have a guess at what the other person is feeling, especially when they themselves start acting like someone who is influenced by pheros.
I guess an artificially-enhanced, far more intense version of a feeling that natural pheromones evoke for people is actually “new and unexplainable”. It becomes something qualitatively different through sheer quantity. That’s how I feel about the self-effects anyway, say of -none. I may have felt slightly “caveman” before naturally, but my first TUTH experience was something else! In fact, I’m glad I can live with that self-effect now, just put the “caveman feeling” on the back burner and act like a regular guy. I was afraid that women would actually run away from me screaming the first time I tried TUTH, LOL.
Guys can, I think, act without pheros to give a woman that nice feeling of warmth and security, but I don’t think that too many of them actually do from my observations… the really good PUAs probably do, whether they are naturals or they learned game (Of course, if you have been wearing pheros previously around the woman, it might be something as simple as “Remember that day/night at…” and get her to vividly picture the experience in all its glory. She should then recapture some of the state she felt in the first place.)
Mixed, so far. I haven’t really approached what I have scientifically, and considering I already have a bit of that “mystery look” about me, sometimes it’s hard to tell if it’s me, the pheros, or both. Most of the time if I go out, I’m wearing Ammo because I love the smell, and so far most of the women I’ve been with like it too.
There was one girl who I failed miserably at getting on a date that seems to have this built up sexual tension around me (I approached her before the pheros, and before I had a shred of game) since I started wearing Ammo + Shine.
Haven’t used the Instant Female Magic very much at all, but I think this situation is the perfect time to start. Haven’t really ever used TUTH, either.
Before I got the dosing down, I had a lot of situations where I gained momentary invisibility using too much Ammo. Even though it’s buffered, I’ve spent nights where I seemed like a ghost. Then again, I could have been in a wallflowery kind of mood those nights, too.
I actually started dating my current girl wearing no pheromones at all. I did notice her passion level was a bit higher the nights I wore Ammo, though.
Anyway, I have a 2x bottle of Instant Shine and a 2x bottle of Instant Honesty on the way in addition to A314. We’ll see what happen
im with wildflower here. its like: “ok im wearing these really expensive pheromones and what are they doing to her? how does she feel? are those feelings associated with ME or SOMEONE ELSE more attractive that she would like to associate them with? how does she know IM giving off that specific vibe? for me i think every time i wear these " how is my potential targets going to percieve me with or without these?”
right now im just really skeptical of all this because of the factors involved for the pheros to work. every day i think: “ok i have to think about x amount of variables and what they can do to not help me.”
but i suppose ill wait a while and see how my ammo tests turn out. its my last resort.
I’m not a skeptical about pheromones working and I don’t think you will be once you get the hand of ammo. My question is realy about what a girl feels when around someone wearing pheromones. Is it a new feeling they get or one they may be familiar getting from other men they find attractive. I’ve often wandered if pheromones make you more attractive or whether they add to your attractiveness in another ‘dimension’.
I like to think of them as enhancing your already latent attractive qualities. IE, the things a woman might like about you will stand out all the more. Simultaneously, this boost helps to overshadow any negatives you might have.
Just thought I’d add that I received the A314 (plus a to-go of Instant Honesty!) today. Haven’t had a chance to try it out yet, though. Hopefully this weekend.
With how quick that got here, I imagine the 2x Instant Honesty and 2x Instant Shine should be here tomorrow
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