Is congruence as important with social pheromnes (IH, IO, IS, nols) as it is with status/sexual pheromones (none/rone) or is it okay to wear a lot of the social stuff as a shy person to counteract the shyness?
Some effort is required, Christian. The pheromones will not help you if you sit in a dark corner somewhere with your entire body screaming, ‘Leave me alone!’
People are visual first and foremost. If it looks like you’re not comfortable, you’ll be left alone - unless you end up with someone who takes pity on you and tries to draw you into the social scene.
If you at least make an attempt to be social, these little molecules will weave their magic and make it much easier to interact with others.
Musk
I am also very shy but i find that the self effects from IO an IS encourage me to be alot more talkative somtimes to much, but I do use 4x of both.
Over the last two years I have learned Salsa and I have no problem with asking girls to dance. Close dancing is also no problem anymore both when it comes to not feeling anxiety myself and when it comes to getting the girl to dance close. Not every girl but when I am fit when I’m arrive at the club I usually can dance close with a few girls that night.
I however don’t talk much to the point that girls tell me that I don’t talk enough.
At the moment I’m thinking about with strength I should order for the social ones.
I understand that too much -none can be bad if you aren’t congruent with it.
There are basically to possibilities:
A) I need more social pheromones than the average guy because I don’t talk very much
B) I need less social pheromones because I wouldn’t be congruent with wearing a lot of them.
It sounds as if all you need is a little training in how to create and maintain conversations, Christian. Tisha might be able to give you a few tips and tricks if she sees this thread.
If you’re hoping for self effects, many users report feeling nothing at all out of the ordinary when using pheromones. At best, they may report feeling self effects that fade after they have been using them for a little while. For most situations, this is good as you often don’t want to fall on your own sword.
They’ll help to keep a girl chatting for longer, increasing your window of opportunity to warm up and engage her in conversation. Maybe she will eventually stumble across a topic that you feel you can talk about. But that strategy depends on a lot of luck and once she gets the impression that you’re not easy to talk to, then it may become harder in future to strike up a conversation with her.
Musk
Everyone’s opinion on how to be congruent is very different. Some may view a -none application as a chance to be aggressive in sexual advances by the user while other people may view that as a “Look at me, I’m Sexy” kind of sort.
Just as MuskCloud said, constant practice. You say you have no problems at asking girls to dance, well you can take a strength of yours and extend it by asking small questions (How’d you learn to dance? How long have you been dancing? Do you dance often). As the person takes time to reveal information about themselves you can either keep extending the conversation by extending their answers or by putting your input as well so they can learn a little something about you.
I find option B very hard to do since I was in your situation a while back. It’s nice to have a crutch at times for the pheromones can create great opportunities to advance yourself.
Just for completion, when it comes to dancing close the stuff I do is mostly about being aware of how the girl reacts to closeness and gradually reducing it instead of creating the closeness through some kind of -none like act of power.
Given my description which pheromones at which concentrations would you consider to be best?
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I know there only so much that I will understand till I actually try it, but I want to have a good understanding to know what’s best to order.
if one has to show congruence with pheromones to get the reactions then whats the chance that it is the way one is acting that people react to instead of the pheromones?
They go hand in hand.
One without the other results in no results.
There are plenty of PUA that dont use pheromones and get great results as long as they play their cards right, what I was saying is that it is strange to see everyone saying you have to walk the walk for them to work. Which is understandable but if you are walking the walk and get results, whats the proof it was the mones and not just your projected self image? ( just trying to understand better lol )
Haha, I gotcha! Maybe I can explain it a little better.
You’re right, you don’t need these pheromone things at all, to be quite honest. You can go out and marry Eva Longoria by tomorrow morning if your game’s good enough, no doubt, and without even a single drop of Androstenone! Pheromones are not a necessity, by any means.
BUT, they do make things easier by a bit. I’d definitely recommend 'Mones to someone who’s learning PUA stuff and still has a few inexplicable sticking points. Even better if you’re new, like me.
I just started digging into this business a couple months ago (about 75 days, if I had to guess, so not very long at all) so dont count me as an expert by ANY means, but in my experience, I have been using pheromones to “ease the transition” around others. It seems to have worked, as I have gotten ZERO resistance from people! There’s been a lot of rapid development on my part, too! Seriously, I’ve internalized everything I need to know, and just got finished putting the icing on the cake with “the Blueprint Decoded” (AWESOME, by the way).
I really think 'Mones have helped the learning curve tremendously, and I can’t be happier with them! They’re an awesome boost.
It’s you… plus 10%, if you get it. 
Pheromones only project an aura in the sense of a Ad Campaign. A person or a company can spout that they can do this for you and that for you and they have good business qualities but it is the person or company in question that decides whether they come through or not.
This is why you have to “walk the walk”. If anything in this world is “effortless” it usually isn’t worth having in the first place.
That’s really hard for me to say since I mainly tailored my applications to fit my goals and personality. If you haven’t done the sweet spot testing yet then I highly recommend it.
IO, a great communication opener. Your mind may seem to have a plethora of ideas that you may consider verbally making them known. At times you can just HEAR the effects by the comparing it on a regular non-pheromone day. Listen for increased chatter and conversations for sometimes, the people might lean the conversation towards you. “Hi, how are you doing,” might be your finger pulling the trigger. Average is around 2 depending on how much of an effect I want, but I usually use this for introductions or when I seem to lack any input. I can probably see some use of this to get yourself used to initiating conversations along with the rules of chat.
IH on the other hand is a related beast of IO that seems to promote personal conversations. You’ll be surprised how far a conversation can get if one person starts to share a thing or two and the other person reciprocates. Think QUALITY instead of quantity. I usually go 2 sprays and higher since I do fairly well when it comes to one on one bonding. This one, I would see do well in 1v1 situations where you can actually share and open yourself up to other people.
Wrap it up with some IS for you want people to enjoy your presence instead of cringing in fear. Maybe the delight might infect you too thus leading to braver actions. This one is variable and I use it mostly to relax people.
Sure you can improve yourself without pheromones, but when I look back at all of the opportunities, I’m glad I had gotten some help. I’m not fully an extrovert yet, but I’m better off now than I was before.
So you think, anyway. We have plenty of PUA clients. (Not that we can tell you who they are.)
You always need to be congruent. If you walk into a club and stare at the floor while you sip your drink dressed like a slob - no pheromone product could ever help you with that.
I can’t stress enough that you need to know how to wear what you put on. Just like if you are wearing a big fur coat and carry a pimp cane, you better walk with a swagger.
Unless you have one leg then limp with swagger
The Pheromones are a Costume… You Still have to Play the Part… Different Products (Instant Line) and Mixes Require an Adjustment to Attitude to be the Most Helpful… Picking the right “Costume” for each Target is another thing Entirely…
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This is where I feel people are misunderstanding congruence and while I do think its one important factor in using mones its not as important as not being in opposition to your signature. People have taken the word to the extreme and it has confused new people ever since…
Pheromones do in fact work with or without congruence. They signal and people get that signal without you thinking about it or doing anything out of the ordinary. They do not work when your in opposition to that signal.
(Sorry Alpha1 I am about to get verbose) LOL 
Your natural pheromones match who you are. You dont have to be congruent with them they are reflections of your emotions and physicality. You cant be in opposition to them.
When you use bottled pheromones your sending a new signal, one that may not match your natural emotions and physicality.
This is why we talk about congruence. So lets look at Ishine because its the easiest one..
Its a warm charismatic uplifting happy vibe, Your nice, fun to be around, you make people feel all warm and cozy just by your presence.
Now if your acting against that vibe your sending. Your mean, got a big frown on your face, sitting in a closed body position, ignoring people, and just being a big poop your giving mixed signals.
People feel the vibe but contribute it to something else in there surroundings to make sense out of it. So its simple to be congruent you dont have to be “the life of the party” outgoing and warm. Just stop being a big poop. Smile, dont close off your body,dont ignore people who talk to you, make eye contact, be nice. You dont have to be perfect just make a effort. Dont work in opposition to the signature.
Your not becoming your signature your matching it so that others know where they hell its coming from. Many people talk about other people stealing there pheromone signature. This can only happen when your not matching your signature because when people hear a quack they look for a duck and if they dont find that duck they attribute it to something else closely resembling a duck.
Its the same for every pheromone. A314, I walk into a room and feel the presence of a strong alpha male. I am not going to look at the guy slumped in the corner looking scared as hell to match that signal to. I will look for the man at ease with himself. He doesn’t have to lead me just be at ease.
You do not have to be something your not but you do have to make a effort. Do you have to be congruent with mones for them to work. No you dont but you cant be in oppositions to them either. So if your shy make a effort to just make eye contact more, smile put yourself in a position to be approached and when you are approached make a effort.
Tisha
It’s an aid to game, not a replacement. If you’re curious then you should establish a baseline. IE: Go out and start opening conversations with people when wearing no pheromone products at all. Make mental (and literal) notes of how people of both genders respond. How open are they to your approach?, how friendly do they seem? how active in the conversation are they? are they just listening to you talk or do they engage? How long do the conversations last? etc.
Then once you have a sense of how strangers in general respond to you, and how the people you already know respond in a more specific sense. Start testing with socials like IO or IH and make note of changes in how they respond. This should help you see how the mones work.
Like Tish said, the mones communicate subconsciously information about us to people. But ultimately that is ALL they do. They don’t control them, it just says “hey I’m (insert description here) type of guy”. If your behavior and actions run contrary to that, the message will be dismissed as simply “oh I guess I got the wrong impression of him.”
I can’t describe in words how ‘bang on’ accurate Tisha is in her post [genius!]. I have experienced it myself without realizing it…