MHarris or Jasmin,
is there anything on the back-burner in the way of a copulin additive,similar to LAM but no 'nol in it??? i have primal, but adore the IH you offer because the alpha is tempered with other stuff. i also have EW, and it does in fact work, i enjoy adding it in small amounts to more pleasant mixes. i am very interested however, in your take on EW.
Michael doesn’t like using old style copulins, since they don’t smell “real” enough to him. He doesn’t think they smell like a healthy female odor.
To me, EW reeks of tangy balsamic vinegar + kindergarteners with bad hygeine. “The Dirty kid who isn’t potty trained” vinaigrette. Gross! And unnatural.
Ours smells more like Asian fish sauce you find tucked with the “strange condiments” in Vietnamese Pho restaurants.
Both are variations of formulas you find in old studies, and both can drive dogs cRaZy in a very bad way.
We are working on a different approach entirely, that’s not based on those studies. It’ll just take awhile. As you may know, quality is more important than speed to Michael. poke, poke 
I agree with Lor and think it’d be nice to have cops as a single pheremone that you could just simply add to a mix and perhaps the cologne/perfume smell would help cover it up.
Pho is the best=) I always like to add extra fish sauce. I bet if americans ate Pho more often they would be more slender like alot of hot asian girls.
I agree, it would be nice to have a copulins additive in the future. That is a great idea.
keep in mind rob that we as women dont all want to look that way. i know alot of men who would take beyonce over a hot asian skinny chick any day! wide variety on the buffet table makes for a good meal,baby!
I’m glad I pushed for copulins. Michael was resistant at first, but I think once he gets done with the challenge, we’ll have yet another Best Of Breed product to look forward to. Not saying he’s working on copulins because of me, but I’m glad I pushed nonetheless. 
I personally find copulins REALLY useful. I use LAM right now, but I bet whatever he comes up with will blow what’s currently in LAM right into orbit.
My bottle of EW dilution seems to have gone seriously funky. Guess I should be using perfumer’s alcohol.
whats that supposed to mean? “glad i pushed for copulins…michael was resistant at first…not sayin he’s doing it because of me but glad i pushed…” then what exactly DID you just say??? LOL! i think you just said dont worry gals, i pushed and now you have something to look forward to… implying that he is creating something and implying you gave him the idea. anyone else get a different message? is it in the works or not?
I think Lor, maybe Catlord doesn’t realise ISexi/W already had copulins in it from the get-go - even before he asked Michael about making an EW-type product?
Both Dolly and myself get fantastic results from adding an entire bottle of Ew to a full bottle of ISexi/W, and I think The Countess has done it now too. Maybe you could try that, Lor? It definitely works - 150%!
Good to be posting again. We’ve had some awful family news to deal with and I’ve been caught up in a lot of unexpected stuff.
I too would love to see some kind of copulin additive.
Ail
been a while ail, glad your back posting.
i do use the EW, not in the mix but while wearing it. you know, i was talking to ilsa about how even though we have EW to play with, and LAM sounds fab (but see i already use alot of nol in every mix i wear) , id like to see mharris’s take on pure cops. i laugh when i think i really dont smell anything like EW. but i guess we are all like fingerprints, ya know?
EW ranks as intense as Thai som tum (fish sauce appetizer). I ran out of the house when my Thai GF ate it.
Regarding EW, which diluent masks the smell more efficiently? Alcohol, oil or distilled water? Thanks.
i2w
Thanks Lor, just a bit of a trying time right now..
Like everything else though in life, “This too shall pass..”
All the women here wear EW undiluted, ITWow. We wear it applied straight to the skin, then apply our cover fragrance about 10-15 minutes later.
The only other way I know of the regular female users wearing it, is adding it neat into a mixture of oils, in a roll-on applicator. Vanilla, Amber, Musk and Cinnamon being the ones I know of people using.
I used to add 2 mls EW to a bottle of PCC to experiment way back when, but last month I bought 3 bottles of PCC, put them all into a roller-ball applicator and added an entire bottle of EW.
VERY good results…^_~
The odd thing is, I have bought PCC a few times from LS, but this time I bought it directly from Stone Labs themselves, and it smells a lot different. It is still cucumber-melony, but it has a distinctive EW side to it.
I was really surprised.
Catlord dilutes EW though, ItWow, so he should be able to help you.
Ail
rather than diluting it, why not just add a drop to the mix your already using? past posting shows most used water to dilute, and still applied fragrance over that. like ail said ,a nice fragrance oil seems to be the popular way to go, so maybe the oil base slows all notes from overwhelming the other…i personally cover with an alcahol-based perfume after applying it straight-up, but only because my scent choice seems to blend with it as opposed to covering it all together.
possible they are diluting it even further???
The more I think about this, the more appealing a stand-alone copulin formula seems. Go to it, MHarris!
Ail, what good is iSexi to a man? I wanted something to replace EW because:
- It’s not very good smelling, and
- I choose not to shop with LS anymore.
However, given how useful a copulins-only product is, and how quality-insane (er, conscious) Michael is, I know that having him work on this will be a major step forward in the world of pheromones; and, it would allow me to get everything I need from Androtics. I pushed for this behind the scenes, but as to whether or not it had any effect, I do not know. I do know that he is supposed to be tackling the problem, which he told me several times he would not do.
I don’t think it would be of any use to guys, as Michael as far as I’m aware made ISexi/W to be a female version of A314, in terms of results, since he doesn’t think women can successfully pull off A314.
But then, as you know, I can’t understand how men use copulins and get them to work for them, and you get good successful results there, so who knows how Isexi/W would work for you?
I definitely get viewed two very different ways by “The Man” depending on whether I want to be the dominant one (Mix A) or the more playful one (Mix B) in our relationship, and find both to be excellent, but the best results by far are achieved by adding an entire bottle of EW to an entire bottle of Mix A.
THAT, is the BOMB!
Ail
No, I said we wouldn’t be coming out with a strong copulin formula based standard (or traditional) copulin formularly, and we’re definitely not. We’re NOT a toxic sciences lab!
There’s another approach I discussed with you, and we’re going down that road instead. It requires far more research and investment. It’s the longer, but better, road.
Instant Sexiness is definitely not a female version of A314. Not intentionally, anyway!
What is unintentional, but definitely apparent in my products, are my own preferences. I can see quite clearly that they eek through into the design (probably much like Cutler’s ideas of sexuality eek through, and Dodd’s preferences apparently preferences for friendliness and jolliness eek through).
The standard Instant Sexiness is a new formula, not based on A314 or any other products we have at all. The ultimate test for it was that it turned me on.
I tend to like strong people, who you don’t have to watch after every second. The kind of people you can leave for a couple weeks, you come back, and everything is better. (An A314 man is definitely like this!)
I like want based relationships, not need based relationships. (“I don’t need you to be with you, I’m fine on my own, but I sure do want you! You make my days and nights better”)
I also like men and women being similar on the dominance scale, so neither is “better” nor “worse” than the other.
I like a strong-headed, smart, and enjoyable woman, that I don’t have to play power games with.
It’s like two strong countries… instead of dominating or being the one dominated, you can play other games entirely. Like “free trade”. In terms of a human relationships, that would mean sharing of not just resources, but of exquisite experiences.
Mix B will be updated from what is learned from the DHC experiments, and will likely become Drive Him Crazy itself.
It’s just tougher for me to mix, since I tend to go for the “stronger value”. More for the Angelina Jolie or Milla Jovovich type of woman, than the playboy bunny of the week type of girl. I depend much more highly on feedback from other people for these things.
Women can’t (or shouldn’t) use A314, because it uses pheromones that are definitely sexually dimorphic in nature.
That is to say, you find more of the primary pheromones used on the skin of one sex, than the other. Even more importantly, people respond to them in a sex differentiated manner. (“There’s something very male about you”)
What I should do is make an actual test version of A314 for women, and a test version of Sexiness for men. There’s a few pheromones in each I could easily drop out and replace with “female versions”, keeping everything else the same.
Well, not everything. While A314 uses very low amounts of androstenone, I feel that it uses too much for women. It would have to be lowered further, or removed entirely.
Considering that probably 60% of the A314 effect depends on it’s carefully researched rone:none ratio, the comple removal of -none and the proper translation of the mix for women becomes a difficult challenge.
For this reason, men here can expect to see the structure of Instant Sexiness applied to a male test mix first. A314 “for women” will likely be based on MX102, but it’s not going as easy to translate.
im looking forward to this (although i believe im in process of placing order for mix B now) because im already too edgy. i hope because its in my nature to be edgier, that this softens me and makes me pink and fluffy,lol.
i cant help gravitating to the alpha stuff though…like im in harmony with it…and its everything i can do to not try DHC111 after what i heard. i know it should round off people who are needing a push/an edge, but stuff like that feels to the wearer like theres a moving train and i can easily run along side it, as opposed to kitten mixes that feel like a stopped train and the being still is killing me,lol. i guess working with change should feel different.
I may get to test EoW at work, since my gay colleagues are away for 2-3 weeks. Umm.. I hope it’s not a disaster like last year.
What I did with Cops last year, I took the smallest needle I could find & dipped the sharp point into EoW (less than 5mm). Dabbed the needle across my torso & neck. Very unpleasant results, especially with females.
Today, I made a blend of 6 drops EoW into 30ml Ethanol spray bottle @ concentration 1:200 Unsure of what other pheromones I could combo with… Any suggestions? Thanks.
i2w