Copulins on a man: difference between 'naturally-sourced' as opposed to synthetic

Pheromone Science Pheromone Theory & Molecules
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‘Naturally-sourced’ Copulins (if one can get hold of them ) may work differently than the synthetic Copulins products available at the moment. Perhaps there are some additional ingredients missing from synthetic Copulins products. Sagacious1420, a respected poster from LS from a couple of years back, mentions PCC which is a synthetic product of course. Davinci’s post from yesterday (pasted right below) was awesome and I hope he keeps us updated on this ‘experiment’ …

Davinci (August 29, 2007):
"Gents,

I actually had the opportunity to “experiment” with this little idea. A close gal friend of mine and I had come up with the theory of another womans scent on me actually drew other women closer to me. The experiment went that we would pick 2 non-party nights at a local hangout. Tues and Weds to be exact. I would wear the same outfit both nights (washed of course). Wear no cologne (this was before I knew about pheromones), really, nothing different between the nights. The only diff was on night B. the Gal and I would have intercourse. I performed plenty oral on her. After all was said and done, I would wash off with maybe a washcloth and water. no soap.

On night B I consistantly drew a crowd of women. (we did this for several weeks… I know, research sucks). Everytime one of them would comment on “something different”. Some even went as far as trying to get so close to me, I could only think of it as getting her scent on me. Sounds crass, but at the end of the day we are only animals and we mark our territory.

My conclusion was that there was something that did trigger the other females to come to me, and in most cases try to “mark” me. Some women were repelled, but that was such a minority. Just my personal experience.

Be Happy,
Davinci"

Sagacious1420 (April 2, 2004):
" Observations and the influence of natural cops
I don’t intend for this to be a decisive post regarding the influence of copulins. I merely had yet another incident that seems to support previous experiences when I’ve been out and about while sporting natural cops. I know that the issue of copulins, in relation to the theory of “social proof” has been discussed before. Tonight’s experiences weren’t necessarily profound or conclusive, but merely led me to consider this phenomenon in relation to some past expereinces.

I’ve been “involved” w/ a girl, Erin, over the past few weeks and I had an “interesting” experience tonight. Erin came over later tonight and brought a friend w/ her, which I thought was unusual. It seemed peculiar, since I usually get together w/ just Erin…that and the fact that her friend was so young. When I mean young, I mean very young. SRH, I know that I’ve mentioned that Erin is barely 21, but when the truth finally came out I learned that she’s actually only 19…and her friend was…well, at least “legally” old enough…as in, age of consent. So I’m hangin’ out w/ Erin and Summer for a while, things seem innocent enough for a while. As it turned out, I ended up having a 3some w/ these two girls. Well, these two girls are worried about getting home before it “gets too late”, so I decided to go out for a while and see if some friends might be about.

Let me be blunt. It was a sloppy little affair and I was slathered in nectar. I realy didn’t consider it at the time, though. So I go out, but I was expecting the women around me to be a bit distant since I was sporting the natural cops and not making any effort to socialize w/ any women…just my buddies who were hanging out. What I noticed was that even some male acquaintances that I’m not that familiar w/ seemed intent on hangin’ out w/ me and the few women who were there reacted unexpectedly. For example, there was a cute gal sitting near me who seemed to be about to hook up w/ some guy, based on their body language and convo. Next thing I know, she stands up, distances herself from him and kept trying to make EC w/ me. She’s talking w/ her group of friends, but kept glancing over at me and smiling the whole time. A few gals near me (w/in 10’) were leaving their guys’ sides and began to stand nearby. Then they’d joined this group (mostly girls) and began to chat. They seemed to be trying to get my attention, based on their behavior. Later, this girl (Ashley), comes in w/ this guy and I notice that she’s let her hair down and begins stroking her hair while smiling at me. She comes up next to me and starts to chat me up. Again, she completely ignores that guy that she’s w/ and seems to be focusing her attention on me. Now while she’s chatting w/ me, the group of girls on the other side of me are trying to (verbally) out do each other and talking increasingly sexual…quite graphic actually. Then, this Ashley girl goes and joins them in their convo. Next thing I know, Ashley’s guy friend starts talking to me about what a great gal she is and seems to be trying to “sell” me on the fact.

The funny thing was that I wasn’t intent on hooking up w/ anyone and even when I went to go talk to this Ashley girl (the only one I knew for sure was a local), she kinda shied away from me. That is, she seemed more intent on proving herself to the group of girls than making any kind of connection w/ me. Seemed very strange. I wasn’t too worried about it since I knew that I’d see her around eventually. It just all seemed very strange. I’m curious to see how Ashley reacts the next time I see her out…w/out the cops next time."

Sagacious1420 (April 3, 2004):
“…I’ve experimented w/ PCC quite a bit and have had decent results. The only real “negative” responses that I’ve had were that some women have accused me of being a player, but I wouldn’t consider myself to be such. I’m very selective in the types of women w/ whom I get “involved”…I have particular tastes, if you will. I have noticed that I get a different kind of response whenever I’ve hooked up w/ my “friend w/ benefits”. She stops by on her way home from work on a regular basis and if I go out later w/out showering first, I see more of the type of responses that I noted above, but not so unusual. One thing about last night was that ther weren’t too many ppl out, which is unusual for this place on a thursday night, so I wouldn’t normally experience this sort of thing. In fact, it was the fact that it was a rather unusaul type of experience that led me to comment about it. I couldn’t say that it was the norm. I was really more curious about whether others have seen anything similar and if so how often it happens…”

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Social Proof Pheromone?
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I really hope that the Copulins product based on the novel Androtics approach/formula (see MHarris’ posts below), when it finally does come out, gives as close results as the results from the ‘real thing’ we just saw above.

MHarris (July 2, 2006):
“…Instead, we’ll be taking another approach entirely to copulins shortly…”

MHarris (August 1, 2006):
“…There’s another approach I discussed with you, and we’re going down that road instead. It requires far more research and investment. It’s the longer, but better, road.”

MHarris (August 9, 2006):
“…Our new blend in the making takes a different approach, and should have even more sillage.”

MHarris (August 11, 2006):
"…Hehe.

Well, it’s not fish sauce. This is not based on traditional copulin formulary, which indeed smells quite bit like either fish sauce… or worse, a woman “at that time of month”.

I want our new approach to smell like a real, healthy women. Preferably the scent a woman gives off near ovulation, not the other time of the month.

It’s not on our normal timeline since we’re not working on this internally, and none of the normal outside people we work with are involved with it. I have one of the world’s few heterosexual, woman-loving ________s on the case.

It may take quite awhile. I’ll do a status check soon, but I really don’t want to rush it.

You know we’re a bit slow sometimes. That’s because I’ve never been in a rush to have something to sell. To me, it’s only fair to sell something when there’s something worth selling. Does that make sense?

I’m not a huge fan of Plato’s work overall (too many justifications for lies & evil in some of his work), but he has some good points sometimes. Here’s a good quote from him:

“Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.”

  • Plato

We can rewrite that to something like…

“Wise businesses sell because they have something worth selling; bad businesses, because they have to sell something”

Make sense?"

MHarris (December 5, 2006):
"Ail, I understand what you’re saying, and I fully and completely understand the importance of copulins to the ladies here.

While Copulins aren’t the only sexual element for women (pheromones count, too!), you know first hand that even bad mixes of copulins have shown themselves to be extremely sexual in some contexts. Natural copulins also have a history of being used through the ages to create sexual results with a high degree of certainty. (and I preferably prefer the latter blend of copulins! )

So copulins are important. I’m not saying, and have never said they’re not. They’re certainly something interesting to develop, which why we’re investing significatly to have a new breed of copulins developed by a chemosensory artist skilled at replicating natural scents.

However, that’s not yet done. As you know, product development takes years. The development of completely new copulin formulary isn’t something that happens overnight.

Copulin formulation today (whether EW, what Pherone sells, or what we have) is all based on a formula found in a study that was made more than 20 years ago. It’s inelegant compared to the art of pheromone science we’ve achieve. It’s ugly, dark ages type stuff compared to what we do with human pheromones.

For this reason, I don’t wish to include today’s substandard breed copulin formulary in any of my test mixes that test novel pheromones and/or new pheromone ratios. Unless it’s a well worn mix, what I want to test just the pheromones. The part that we have the most control over. The part we understand the part. The part we can with elegance and grace.

We can do a test with copulins added to a well tested pheromone mix at the very the end. This will achieve better results, faster.

Keep in mind that our pheromones (especially the newer ones and experimentals) cost a fortune to create, whereas current copulin formulary currently doesn’t. You can make a gallon of current style copulins for what it costs to make a single full size experimental mixes that use some of the more cutting edge molecules. If a superior pheromone blend and substandard copulins clash when blended together in one bottle, that’s a lot of money down the drain.

Worse, keep in mind that testing too many unknowns costs us excessive time. Time that could’ve been spent getting usable data. Wasting time upsets me far more than wasting money. As wise men have been known to say – “I can always make more money, but I can’t make more time!”

For these reasons, I’m just going to go what we know works first, with as few variables (wildcards) as possible.

You should understand that at least 3 of the DHC mixes shouldn’t have failed. There were a few others that were more experimental, but 3 were based on successful mixes women were using anyway, without copulins. The only wildcard that introduced different results were the copulins to already successful TAH based mixes. I added them because of forum member requests. Yet most of the mixes designed to match those cries for mixes that include copulins were met will ill favor. Too many variables! Impossible to debug.

So, to summarize, we’ll test what we’re best at – pheromone only mixes. Then, if a mix succeeds, we’ll add copulins sometime down the line… preferably our new revolutionary formula that will take copulins into the 21st century.

Please understand… This is a testing strategy, not a rail against copulins. As they say, the best way to do things sometimes is “one step at a time”.

Warmly,
Michael"

A314 OUT OF STOCK!?!? noooooooooo
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I wonder if the Instant Jerk copulin component is based on this newer approach. I can’t smell the cops but that could be due to low dosage. The copulins in Instant Jerk do have an effect beyond any doubt in my mind.

It’s easy enough to add the (primitive but effective) copulin component oneself if one wants to try them in mixes.

You can get a 20,000 year supply of copulins for under $100 if you want to do some experimentation. Probably not a good idea if you live in an apartment in the city though. You may have a horny hazmat squad responding the first time you crack open a bottle.

I have 100 ml of concentrate from which I’ve used a total of 4 drops to make about 60 ml of very potent copulin mix. I use it occassionally to add to female mixes, or after considerable additional dilution to male mixes. It will be a long time before I need to crack open the big bottle again, which is a good thing because it’s so stinky I have to do it outside, and even though I don’t get any liquid on me the smell gets all over me and is difficult to get off.

I’ve replaced the rubber components of the container as the cops eat them up. A dedicated eyedropper is stored seperately and washed after use.

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More tests that I found with ‘naturally-sourced’ copulins on men…

From LS:-
surfs_up (December 3, 2005):
“Great moments in rowdy bar nights with copulins from natural sources
you got the idea… after an evening with a particularly uninhibited woman from the moselle region of northern france who was a rich source of copulins, to say the least, not stanky, just strong… a was more or less covered in the goodies from head to toe and i didn’t shower before leaving her place, went to a bar for a couple of beers figuring the level of sweat, booze, pizza, etc hanging in the air would mask anything… within about 20 minutes the entire house was delerious, tee hee… and the girls next to me struck up a conversation for a while then began to appear mildly offended like she had a competitor on the premises, which she did in a way…”

tacitus (August 27, 2006):
“Have often gone out soaked in copious quantities of natural copulins
in the average public establishment after 10:00 PM they’re impossible to detect over the room’s olfactory ambience… at one celebratedManhattan hipsterati bar and pizzeria the Beatles were on the sound system and when Hey Jude played the whole room spontaneously erupted in song… I was to old for this crowd, sipped my beer and took it all in… the boys and girls were picking up on each other like crazy… who woulda suspected that granpa had already nookied out with two oversexed minxes and radiated passionate woman elements like a diffuser… was chuckling… lookit them kids trying to get laid and I’m the old phartte instigating this process… my bad…”

tacitus (December 24, 2006):
“Re: My new supermix… the best balanced, most effective yet
Like… you really want to know ? Started off the evening having crazy sex with two korean chicks, one is fucking me backwards while giving me an, ahem… internal prostate massage while the other is grinding her pussy into my chest… now you might find this a bit pornographic but in reality wwe were all in an excellent mood, the girls were simultaneously laughing their asses off and totally into it… like very horny and very humorous and free at the same time… btw, I’m not apply all of this, maybe a half mil or something… sooo, anyway ,there is no post fuck awkwardness… we’re just hanging out, relating easily… the transitions between fill passion and being relaxed/sociable were absolutely seamless… there was a great sense of comfort and ease of communication… nothing like OMIGOD did we actually DO THAT ??? More like, OK… good human moment there, now this human moment is just as rich and full, just not a sexual moment… then I’m in a cab driving across town and the cab driver is working out some family problem in english and haitian creole simultaneously on the cell, like his english speaking brain and his haitian speaking brain are both going at once, and he is transitioning between all these emotional states, then gets ME in on the conversation, and I’m discussing his family dynamics while he is EMBODYING all these emotions, I tip him a five for christmas, go to see a movie, one of those well acted think movies, Little Children… and I’m sitting there , covered with pheromones and pussyjuice, and the whole crowd, which was about 1/5 of the theater, all congregates near where I am sitting instead of spreading out as usual, and everybody is chatting and in the BEST mood… must be the pussyjuice I say to myself… movie is weird as shit but I really enjoy it, go home, already about 1:30 am , take a steaming hot bath, watch some Philip K. Dick sc-fi until 3:00 am, then crash like a rock… OK, there, didja hafta ask ?”

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From LS:-

phinmone (March 10, 2005):
" Interesting things with my NATURAL pheromones
two days back, I had this one female friend over at my place for the night. we were having all sort of fun, especially in the morning, but no direct sex, just fooling around.

about 1pm i go to university and see my schoolfriends there. i am usually making a few jokes and people laugh. this time it was differend, especially the girls behaved a little differend. they were more giggly and receptive and making a little more eye contact than normally i would say.

now, what was i wearing? NOTHING, not even a cologne! i did not wash my self after the female friend left my place and went directly to school (i live in the campus area). could this be due to her “smell” in me and the girls somehow obviously were attracted by the thing that i was having some traces of a female smell???

this actually leads to my question: could EW or copulins help me to have similar “hits” that i had two days back?!"

Jonathan (March 13, 2005):
"I’ve also experienced post-sex smells being a turn-on for other girls. I particularly remember a day when I went around with a beardful of natural copulins (don’t bother asking me how I got those on): it seemed that not only did girls find me much sexier than with a clean face (similar to when wearing 'none), they also found me much more approachable and less intimidating than when I wear 'none–or even (possibly) than when au natural. The “socially acceptable” hypothesis sounds pretty compelling for me. Food for thought. I just wish I didn’t feel so self-conscious and strange about having my face smell like crotch.

I’ve also heard a couple of reports from girls who use copulins that it makes them pleasantly horny. Also, I’ve read that women tend to rate the I-just-had-sex smell as being much sexier than men do."

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Maybe it’s not copulins.. Technically synthetic copulins should be the same as natural copulins. Maybe there is another pheromone at play. Something other than copulins that get’s transferred from woman to man during sex.