I so freaking agree with you… word by word
Maybe I go a little farther… personally I have just one rule in these matters if the girl is married or engaged.. I won’t initiate. Everyone else is fair game. I am sure many here would disapprove of it.. but cant help it..
I guess there has been enough moral discussion on the topic. Here is what I think as the possible solutions: veterans please correct me if I am wrong
if u want to replace her boyfriend:
MX297 + AMMO+ IS
(assuming you have basic social skills and that the only thing which stops you is probably the other guy being already there (since you are on cuddle terms already it would be a cakewalk with this mix 
)
just sex:
Since you are already on cuddling terms with her… I think some TUTH to your current mix should do the trick. Next time you two are watching movies, wait for some time till you two are cuddling take a washroom break, just add tuth come back and behave as if nothing is out of ordinary..
tuth is out of stock!!!
^ Well, I guess it’s not gonna work out then^…jk Don’t worry about it and use what you have. Remember it is 90% YOU and 10% pheromones.
P.S. If you really want some TUTH then you should check the store once a day. I’m sure it will be back in stock soon.
You don’t have AMMO but the best cuddle mix I’ve experience with girls your age is A314 + AMMO + IS.
Since you don’t have that A314 x1 + IH x4. Keep this very light and well buffered. A314 will give you the man vibe, essentially beta-ing her bf, and IH will give you more emotional connection when you cuddle. But you gotta play the part too.
I totally forgot a wrote this up a while ago
She’s already over at your house, alone, in your arms, “cuddling”…I would already be pissed if I was the boyfriend and found out but I don’t really think it’s such a bad thing on your part. It’s not like you’re slipping her a roofie. She’s already let it go this far and unless she’s completely clueless she knows you want sex. And I wouldn’t condone having an ongoing affair behind her boyfriend’s back but if she wants to be with you that’s on her and I don’t think you should lead your life worrying about whether some crazy is going to try to beat you up (and a .22? really? 
lol). People will try to fight you outside the club for buying some girl a drink. Marriage is completely different though.
Though I agree with Happy for the most part, I don’t agree with his opinions on people in their early 20s. Justin Bieber and silly bands? Times have changed a bit since the early 1900s when some of you old men were born (haha ) and people grow up a lot quicker these days.
To interpret Mustangs quote differently, “The young learn but the experienced understand”, age isn’t necessarily directly correspondent with experience and vice versa. There are older people who don’t have much, if any, experience in relationships either and there are others who have long, successful marriages after getting hitched at a young age. This logic applies even more so to other areas of life.
Just for whoever is curious about that quote it is by Mari Von Ebner-Eschenbach and the quote is “In youth we learn; in age we understand”
Just a cool tid bit
I have to say that I have a very strong affinity with this. And I’ve been on both sides but mostly the “boyfriend’s” - all too often. 
So after being the “nice guy”, decent, honourable and respecting others relationships/boundaries/equality, need for “space” etc, all that I’ve ended-up with is being chewed-up and spat out too many times and spending literally years stagnating and beating myself up for it. So I’ve been taking control of my own love life recently and doing all the better for it.
Saying that, I’m not seeing any woman whom I know has a boyfriend and I would still tend to steer well clear of any woman in a serious relationship looking for a bit on the side - one has a prospective man and FWIW, I pity the guy, he is genuinely nice and she will eat him alive, just like every other guy she’s been with over the years. Of course she will portray them all as manipulative/using/selfish/boorish etc but I have my doubts.
I guess it’s time that I put my two cents into this.
Everyone here has valid points and I’m not trying to contradict anyone here at all when it comes down to it.
What defines a “nice guy” ? Is it someone who’s willing to do anything and everything for that other person because they genuinely want to see the one they care about happy? Is it someone who’s just a doormat and deserves better because they’re boring? Are they the needy type who tries to hold onto the relationship as long as possible because they’re afraid they can’t find anyone better? Is it the manipulative guy who pretends he’s nice so he can get away with other things?
Regardless of those questions many of us have fallen to that category once in our lives, maybe even more. We begin to question that morality of things, how we’re going to go about certain situations in our lives that could impact potential relationships further down the line. In reality there is really no cut and dry answer where we can easily look it up and say, oh hey this is the right decision, I guess I’ll do that. No unfortunately it’s not like that.
For your situation if you truly care about this person and not just using her for a one night thing or fling, then go for it, follow it, go with what your gut tells you. You also have to remember that there will be consequences from any action that you take regardless. You also have to be open to the fact that these things might make your relationship a bit different with the person further down the line. You’ll never know what the ultimate outcome will be. We only have a short time when we can live, experience, and ultimately make the most of our existence you just have to know in your heart that what your doing is what you feel is what you want to do, and do it for the right reasons. One of my best friends who told me one thing which I live by is “Would you rather wake up in the morning and ask what if? Wouldn’t it be better if you can ask the question, what now?”
We all get caught up in day to day things and what other people think or what we would think is the right thing to do. Remember that everything is subject to the “norm” established by society. The only real compasas that you can look for is if you wake up in the mirror and be able to look at yourself and say “I did this for the right reasons” and whether you be correct in everyones point or view or not, you only really answer to you, and only you. That’s the beauty of having free will and being human is the ability to make the decisions and choices based on what we want, and not others’.
Good luck with this, we’ve all been there, and if you feel the need to go for it, then go for it. You just have to understand that every action has a reaction to it.
so is this best BEST option? im going to do a little shopping now. let me know.
In my opinion and testing, yea
Here’s my FIVE cents on how people are saying its all fair game yet seem sour that they got fucked over by a female in the past. You know the old saying what comes around goes around
I somewhat believe in karma and a few posts on this thread are prime examples of karma, Or unfortunitly perhaps its the choice of women you decided to chase. Obviously if she left another guy for you, One day down the line shes going to leave you for somebodyelse.
I have had various relationships infact i have trouble looking back and remembering every female i’ve gotten with. I can quite clearly remember the first, secound, thirds abit hazy and everything between there and the last two girls i’ve been with is nothing more than a blur in my memory. Not once have i been cheated on or had a girlfriend leave me for another guy and every single one to my memory that i’ve gotten with WAS SINGLE at the time when i meet her and i have pretty high standards when it comes to girls so it wasn’t like i was going for the pig at the trough. The only way that alot of these relationships ended is simply because it didn’t work out and was very much a mutal agreement as to why we need to part ways wether it be career goals, moving country or even the fact that the relationship was starting to get stale. With the odd exception where i got stalked and harrased for about half a year before she finally gave up.
What im trying to say is a few members seem somewhat jaded by there past experiences with females. IF YOU CHASE A GIRL AND SHE LEAVES A GUY TO GET WITH YOU… WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU EXPECT TO HAPPEN TO YOU DOWN THE LINE LOL 
This doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out that she WILL leave you sometime in the future for another male. You’ve already dug your own grave before you started
Come on, TC!
The fella’s full of test, and at that age, he probably doesn’t see it that way. Hell! A light should come on from KNOWING that he’s spending time and CUDDLING with someone’s girl~!
I speak ONLY for myself, but that is NOT the type of woman I’d want in a LTR! Sex ONLY … maybe.
Sometimes a stiff noodle disconnects one’s COMMON SENSE wires. 
In this case … 1 spray of IH & TUTH, and get’cha HUMP on, JB!
I actually thought it was pretty funny how people were saying things along those lines and seemed somewhat jaded by the fact they got ditched for another guy, Not only is amusing to read comments like this but it also shows that there is a serious lack of common sense around espically if you think you can steal another mans girl without having another guy stealing her away from you.
What really amazes me is the fact people seem to actually want and even chase a female like this which id put down under “Used\Secound Hand Goods”, It sort of seems gross to me to put my penis into a hole thats highly likely had another guys dick in there within the past 24 hours, But everybody enjoys different flavours of tea and coffee i hear loll
Yeah that’s what I said…if she’ll do it to him, she’ll do it to you. So for me that type of girl is one time sex only…okay maybe twice, …fine 3 times but that it!
Ok I’m a little late, but I’ll go ahead and say this to the TC: if the girl is allowing you to do all that then by all means have sex with her. BUT I would highly recommend you not pursue her for an LTR.
I’ve talked with girls before who had troubling pasts and were willing to cheat while in a relationship with a guy. As Thundercat said if a girl cheats on her BF with you then what makes you think she won’t do the same to you when YOU’RE her new BF???
Happytappin did make a pretty wild remark about those in their early 20’s but from what I’ve seen he’s not that far off the mark. Girls around here come and go. They can say they “love you” but if another guy comes around and he’s got something more to offer then you’re SOL pal. I’m not saying there aren’t any good ones because there are, but they’re rare.
I personally don’t like to even waste my time thinking “LTR” with a girl who I know is willing to cheat when given the opportunity. Having her as a FWBs is something different but other than that your risking heartbreak.
ahhhhhhh just ordered TUTH. it was in stock just now! so here will be my arsenal:
A314
The Edge
To-Go Instant Honesty
Instant Openness
TUTH
help me turn the cuddling into straight sex guys
A314(1), <---- Only one, don’t want something too intimidating. 3x IH, 1x IO
Keep TUTH with you
WHen things start going where you want them to go, excuse yourself to the bathroom and 1x to the chest.
Works everytime 80% of the time.
TAKE THE LABEL OFF, you don’t wanna be caught with it, just saying.
ok so my packages are in the mail and i got some bonuses, INSTANT SHINE! im excited. so to update, i now have:
A314
IS
IO
IH
TUTH 1x
The Edge