there is this chick who im kinda seeing but she has a boyfriend. she comes over a lot to watch movies and cuddle, very torturous, i want to have sex with her BADLY. shes into me very much but is keeping her guard up because of her boyfriend. im 23, shes 21. heres my arsenal:
-A314
-to go bottle of Instant Honesty
-1x Instant Openness
-The Edge
how much and where to apply?
and even for hanging out with her in general, not just for sex…whats a good mix up i can make?
With what you have I would go with 1 drop of A314 and 3-4 sprays IH. That is just from my own experience (looking back at my own trials and seeing what has worked for me). The application spots I like the most are the tops of the hands, forearms, behind the ears, hair (for instant Honesty), and chin.
If you ever get the chance try to pick up some EST this is extremely good for cuddling.
Without having to remind you of the BAD BAD ideas that come from that.
MX297 + MX301 + IH + A314
You don’t have those but if its badly that you want it I would do that
MX297(2) + MX301(1) + IH(4) + A314(1)
Thanks for bringing up that point P51Mustang. I completely missed the part saying she had a boyfriend. I guess my mind went on autopilot for a moment.
JunkBoxer, Think about the long term implications that can arrise from your unsavory behaviour. Theres a reason she has her gaurd up and thats because she and her boyfriend obviously have a good relationship and she doesn’t want to fuck it up and using pheromones to serve your own selfish needs is just pure greed.
Have you ever thought about what happens when:
A. Her boyfriend finds out and wants to beat the living day lights out of you.. and that’s if you’re lucky.. if not say hello to a .22 round to the head AND TRUST ME THIS OCCURS MORE OFTEN THAN YOU THINK espically with the rise of drugs such as meth and other harsh mind altering substances. Is it really worth that just to get your dick wet?
B. Have you actually even thought about her and the implications that could occur for her. You’ll be fucking something up that is possibly good for her and who knows ten years down the line she might look back and think “Why the fuck did i do that i ruined a perfectly normal relationship” and the only reason she did that is because you subconciously manipulated her with pheromones. Also have you thought about the trauma involved with her when her man verbally\emotionally or even physically abuses her after he finds out. Is this what you want for her.
My advice is to wait until she is single that way it is fair game and there are no bad implications awaiting for you on the horizon apart from you two going your seprate ways. Personally i think you really need to think about HER and not your own self centered agenda, that is if you can manage that. After this if you conclude that homewreaking is the perfect option than go for it espically if the guy she is with is a complete wanker, But if not just wait till shes single relationships barely last a few years these days so its just a matter of time 
Just remember think with your head thats on your shoulders not the one downstairs.
I wish you all the best
I agree with thundercat,
But let me just put my two cents in.
You can’t manipulate something with pheromones. Pheromones can’t change how the user feels about you. It can only bring out what’s there. It’s almost like watching porn with your best girl friend, you might get turned on, but you won’t necessarily want to have sex with her. That’s the same thing with pheromones. Secondly, if her man is abusing her verbally or physically, it is your responsibility as a friend to make sure that doesn’t happen, you can’t do that if you’re having sex with her at the same time.
“especially if the guy she is with is a complete wanker” lol whenever I hear the word wanker I always laugh immediately…gets me every time.
((P51Mustang)) I tried to rep you for that last post but it said I had to wait so REPS…coming soon.
Thanks bro
Not to disagree with you P51 but you can manipulate people using mones.
Before i started wearing mones at work people used to hate me, trust me i was at the bottom of the pit shoveling shit all day because im known for speaking whats on my mind and trust me people really don’t like hearing about there behavioural flaws. You’d be surprised i once worked with a 58 year old who had the temprement of a 13 year old ADHD kid who forgot to take his ritalin.
Moving foward a few months i now go into work and majority of the people i work with are genuinly happy to see me and are starting to see me having somewhat of a leadership quality amongst fellow workers, a farcry from the all the previous years at my job. This is what i wanted to achieve in the long run and yet this is not manipulation?
My boss used to be very intimidating towards me during meetings and would always look down on not only me but everybodyelse in the room, So i thought fuck it im sick of this grouchy peice of shit im going to go with so much A314 on me he won’t know what hit his brain. I must have used about 14 - 15 drops and from the moment i walked into that meeting almost everybody seemed to be a little scared by me and the boss was very polite towards me and took in every word i said as if it was the last few drops of water on earth. I am lost as to how this does not count as manipulation?
Sorry if i sound like a tosspot P51 i have no hostile intentions what so ever but after reading it i thought i did sound like a fu-khead LOL. id just like to see your thoughts on this as in my mind i think pheromones can be used to manipulate situations with these being prime examples.
All those that could lay with a hot babe and cuddle without thinking/wanting/wishing for sex at the age of 23 … raise your hands!
I didn’t think so!
Learning the hard way can be such a thump up side the nugget, but it’s a good way for lots to learn.
I’d test ONE spray of TE to the chest and THREE sprays of IO or IH. You sound like you two do it a lot, so just mix and match til something appears different.
P.S. Annnnnd! Do yourself a favor … get a TO-GO bottle of TUTH!
Listen that’s what this forum is all about, to have discourse over pheromones in a civilized fashion. You know you don’t ever have to apologize for dissenting opinions.
Have you asked yourself though, could it also be a part of the self effects that A314 gives you. Did your body language change, did your mindset change? Are you acting the same now as you were back then pre pheromones and the knowledge associated with it. People that never respected me back then “respect” me now just because I started not to give a shit what they thought.
It’s a great perspective though, but from my personal standpoint I just haven’t been able to get anyone to be attracted to me when there was no basis for attraction there.
Thanks for the clarification though, it’s harder to convey how we mean things when it’s simply by words.
totally understand the consequences. were both very much into eachother but for reasons i just dont feel like getting into she cant split from her boyfriend right now. im not just trying to bang her, im trying to eventually date her.
thanks for the responses btw, im gonna look into all your suggestions
I see what you mean i defintly knew my mindset was different during the meeting i had this righteous “Fuck You” feeling towards my boss (In a good way of course) which could have shown through my body language, Thanks for pointing that out. With regard to my current day status at work i don’t think i’ve changed at all, i still seem to act the same as i did pre-mones just people are more accepting of my behaviour at work now whereas before there would be a shitstorm brewing on the horizon if i didn’t conform. I don’t bother trying to conjurant with the mones at work as i forgot im even wearing them most of the time lol. I agree that it is hard to express ourselfs in a true manner using a medium such as the internet but still i am pleased to have your insight into the situation.
Also, you’re 2 fucking 1 yrs old for petes sake…geez you two are so damn young anyways…I mean this a “boyfriend” barely outta puberty…please!! it’s not like this is her husband…boyfriend smoyfriend…barley outta teenland that shit is childsplay… Besides all women have a “boyfriend” until they find a “better man” …then all of a sudden…“Oh it’s just not working between us” …so yes go for it. People are responsible for the choices they make. If what you’re offering to her is truly better, then “boyfriend” or not she’d be better in your arms.
(Happytappin) has this happened to you before (someone stealing your girlfriend)?
I’m very interested in your answer because I have never met anyone who looked at the situation the way you do.
Someone stealing my girlfriend? Yes. Every time a women breaks up with me or broke up with me ..it’s because a man or “women” has stolen her away from me. There’s always another man, or women …be it her “friend” or her “pal” or even her “gay friend” who convinced her you’re not good enough and she began testing you, and you failed…so she dumped you. Or she meets this other guy and all of a sudden she’s having feelings you used to give her but with him and now you don’t… so she cheats or she leaves you.
I can say from experience I’ve been on both sides. I’ve been the man who "came into her life while she had a “boyfriend” and all of a sudden I’m the better man and she begins questioning her relationship with this other guy cause the feelings I’m giving her she doesn’t get from him..so she "becomes friends with me…whilst telling him it’s over jack…then all of a sudden we’re an item…also In my twenties I’ve had “girlfriends” who met a “cool guy” that is “just a friend” …and a month later bye bye sonny! …Until a women says “I Do” or gets engaged or is “serious” and has grown up to be a responsible women …she’s a free independent person who follows her feelings like the waves in the sea…and what her feelings tell her is so IS SO!..you never own her and if some man comes along better in her eyes, good bye. And when people are that young…geeeez it aint the end of the frickin world… In my humble experience and opinion ofcourse.
If she’s twenty one talking about Justin Beiber and wearing sillybands and say “like whateve” and whatnot…Jesus H Christ…she’s and he are barely outta puberty…life hasn’t even begun yet, much less a final dedication to one person…or not..some people maybe be at 21 with that one they’ll be with for the rest of their life…yes maybe, but again I would BET all my chips, if a girl will cheat with you while having this “boyfriend” …until she grows up to be a responsible women she’ll cheat on you too with the next guy who comes along that is better or makes her feel better.
Girls think with their feelings…make her feel better than him and you win. IMO..
“wearing sillybands” lol ^^^Interesting point from someone who has been on both sides of the fence.
Happy you reminded me of a quote I heard
“The young learn but the experienced understand”