Diffusion ?, hopefully doesn't spark age old debate

Pheromone Science Pheromone Theory & Molecules
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The question: If wind is added to the phero diffusion equation, how exactly does it effect it?

My thoughts on possibilities:

1) In air sports, with objects that move relative to the air mass they are in, they move only relative to the air. In other words, if your airspeed is 15mph, but you are heading upwind in wind speeds of 10mph, you have a ground speed of 5mph. The equation is airspeed-windspeed=groundspeed.

2) However, I only know this to be true from my personal experience with large air sports type objects, which a) aren’t being constantly put out from a single source, and b) are MUCH larger than phero molecules, and therefore, I presume, act somewhat differently but don’t know.

My question isn’t so much concerning whether one should be standing upwind of the targets, as that seems obvious, but I’m not sure about refresh rates. Another way of wording this could be:

Which changes when wind is added, rate of diffusion only, groundspeed of molecules once they have diffused based on windspeed and diffusion airspeed (which I think would be pretty small) but not the rate it diffuses into the moving airmass, or both?

Also, it may be that it is more based on how fast the wind is, or whether there is a speed at which the wind stops simply moving what is already diffused and starts stripping it off of the diffusion surface at faster rates.

I have been thinking of this for some time, but am not really sure, however I would love to use pheros in windy places and with air sports, but I’d like to avoid too much experimenting and possible phero wasting before finding an answer or solution.

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My experience with Pheros on really windy days playing ultimate is that for the most part it is a waste - Even self-effects are diminished significantly when it is windy.

In other words - I don’t imagine you would see much in the way of self effects while paragliding unless your application was directly underneath your nose.

Other paragliders, even those behind you, would probably not see anything

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Thanks, I hang glide, so effects would be pretty much the same. Depressing,:frowning: but thanks for the info so I don’t waste mones.:slight_smile:

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Whoops! Forgot about my other question! Even if it doesn’t work while the wind speed or my airspeed is significant, I would like to know how it affects whether or not I need a refresher if I want to do something else after going out in the wind or hang gliding. Plus, depending on whether I’m going high altitude or soaring for a long time, I wear a helmet when hang gliding, and they have terrible air flow to my head, so perhaps hair applications are best for saving mones for later. Although I was thinking that might not be the best, as sometimes it can get pretty sweaty (although that could enhance things as far as speed of diffusion once I take my helmet off: through sudden change in phero sig and blasting of mones that have been trying to diffuse earlier with added heat and sweat really could add that theatrical glow to someone slowly taking off their helmet and shaking their hair :cool:). But if the extra diffusion from my hair is too much too fast, I suppose I could apply it anywhere where I could cover it up, like on arms, then cover it up with excuse that high altitude is colder (which it is). It would really be a shame if the wind stripped me of everything but none or something like that due to its stickiness, although I could simply stay away from the sticky molecules, as I don’t use much none anyway. It would be cool though if I found a way to avoid and remove build up through windy situations.

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Pheromones and wind dont go well together. Your just wasting money if your using them in this environment. I would not apply them to your hair and then put a helmet on so that your forced to inhale massive amount of pheromones. They can make you light headed with that kind of lack of air flow and you need to be alert and sharp while participating in your sport.

Just get a to-go bottle and keep in in your pocket and when you feet hit the ground give your self a little squirt :wink:

Tisha

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Ok thanks, but one more question. If I had put mones on earlier that day and then later that day realize that conditions are great and therefore go flying, but want or have something to do after flying, can I assume that I have been pretty much stripped of the mones (especially the sticky ones)? This would be important for reapplication. I don’t think none, which is really sticky would be totally gone, but I also don’t want to overdo refreshers of stuff like a-nol and b-nol unless I really am going for spaceland or diarrhea of the mouth. Perhaps experimentation with each molecule is needed to see if I get results without reapplying, no results without reapplying, or different results similar to the results I get when wearing a higher dose of that molecule. The results for that would be important, because when I start trying to make my own mixes, if there are some mones that don’t get stripped off, I will want to bring a mix in a togo bottle that doesn’t have those molecules in it. Also, do you think that it is possible that more of the molecules than usual get absorbed/buried in my skin by the wind to be brought out later by water/sweat? Once again experimentation will probably be needed, but I would like to experiment with a hypothesis which includes others’ opinions. Choosing when to fly is often planned out with far less notice than planning a date or the likes. Thanks again.

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I cant say they would be totally stripped but it will lessen the effectiveness of the products.

No. pheromones really wont absorb into the skin easily unless you use certain lotions designed for absorbing hormones and molecules. Pheromones naturally diffuse away The minuete amount that possibly does only absorbs into the upper layer of the epidermis and wont come out until you get sweaty or when you shed those upper layers.

People shed skin all the time but never really notice it unless they are really dried out.

Tisha

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Got it. Thanks.

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