Does A314 bring more shit tests from women? Passing them as a PUA

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ok, I don’t know if anyone has experience this, but I used 2 drops of A314 and 3 sprays of xmone taa. I met my girlfriend on sunday at her house. I first notice that she became more challeging. Almost like she knew I was the boss, but she gave me alot of shittest to see if it were for real. Now to an AFC, A314 can be a disaster if they don’t know about how to handle a shittest. So A314 is great for PUAs because once you pass the shittest she will be all wet for you.

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AFCs (Average Frustrated Chumps) definitely do NOT know how to handle A314 (although it usually makes the wearer FEEL more manly and powerful, which will help to modify behavior, of course).

In fact, it’s not an “attraction” product for most of the guys out there who don’t have game. After all, what’s an AFC do with attraction? They tend not to initiate. They get all warm and gooey from the attraction if they ever notice it, but they do nothing about it.

But to someone with a little game, or at least the “balls” and chutzpah to assert themselves, it can really work wonderfully in that capacity. Even though you were challenged by a female asserting her femininity, you tend to get a lot of cooperation and deference to your wishes with A314.

You also get a good “leader of men” effect. Great for the Mystery and Neil Strass (“The Game”) style of pickup, which hinges around creating social proof of your value in public settings.

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Girls will give you a shit test whether you wear A314 or not.

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agreed. seems to be standard operating practice for weeding out the weak and needy. if you just genuinely don’t give a fuck whether or not it’s her tonight or not and she senses that, it seems to counteract the shit test and replace it with the what’s wrong with me test.

a significant percentage of women are emotional basket cases and genuinely not worth the attention that needy men lavish on them only to end up squarely on the friend ladder.

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You’ll never wind up on the friend ladder, if you do exactly as you mentioned in your previous paragraph… and that’s to have options you’re not afraid of exercising… alternatives to her.

That’s exactly what women have that makes many men weak. Many men fear the woman’s options – the fact that’s it’s easy for most women to “replace you”.

Well, the same exact gambits (many of them unconscious) that women use on men, work marvelously on women, too.

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i ended up on the friend ladder several times in high school and like most other schmucks i tried to friend my way off of the friend ladder.

after my early twenties when i really began to experience much more mature women approaching me, whenever a younger woman tried to play games i would typically just end up being very blunt with them about it.

at that point i no longer cared or thought i had to try to make something work with them because i always had other options, and options are a very good thing to have.

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I notice the younger the woman…the more games they play and the more they want you to play the badboy type. I certainly don’t like playing games like that..seems to be a waste of time.

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It’s their automatic anti-settle-down defense. Most younger women couldn’t maintain a relationship even if they consciously really wanted to.

All the game playing and other offensive behaviors effectively prevent them from becoming invested in meaningful relationships, so they can “sow their wild oats” and fulfill their biological requirements for requisite variety.

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well, maybe something like instant Jerk or Dirty would be more effective on the younger women…lol

I notice this primarily in the 14-21 age range..it seems to deminish after 21.. I think more women realize that jerks and assholes are just that and aren’t good for longterm relationships or husbands really for that matter.

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Probably smaller amounts if you take the initiative.

I find many younger to exaggerate the “bad habits” of older women. They’re far more overt and obvious about them.

Many younger women are virtually bad relationship machines, always “hooking up” with men they claim not to want. The kind of men they complain about is the kind of men you typically see them having sex with.

The good thing about one night stands with high -none guys, is that except for one night stands, many people can’t stand really high -none guys on a daily basis. “I can’t stand you, so I’ll one night stand you”.

You’re kind of guaranteeing that you’re going to be temporary with a truly off the wall -none signature, and that can be just what some women (unconsciously) want sometimes.

Well, most really young women really don’t want long term relationships, no matter what they say. Actions speak louder than words, becauseactions are real (ethology), and words are not.

Most younger women truly aren’t ready for “anything serious” or for “good guys” (their age, anyway), despite what their words may indicate.

When young, they don’t want a pair bond. They want experience, and their biology eggs them onto it.

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I have been using A314 for a couple weeks now at various dosages. So the most obvious effect on my wife has been that she doesn’t feel worthy around me! She says she does not feel good enough to be with me. That was with 3 drop application. She is also very alpha female so she probably is so confused.

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wow…thats impressive!! and difficult at the same time.. That mentality from your wife can be used to your advantage though psychologically speaking. You’ll just have to reasure her more until she gets comfortable around the VIP that you’ve become :cool:

Interesting to note she is the alpha female type..thats the type that I go for. I bet she’s feeling less alpha around you with a314 on.

I’m not sure if your comfortable with this effect..enjoying it or what? To me it sounds like a good thing.

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Well, something doesn’t sound right (and I’m honestly not criticizing your post).

If she is an alpha-female, why would she not feel worthy/good enough to be with you? I didn’t think pheromones were THAT strong.

An alpha-female submitting for the fun of it is another thing…

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In some of my other posts I have explained that my wife suffers from depression. It is bad this time of year so she is not her usual self. Plus Mike and I have had a small conversation about another issue that we have been dealing with. But I swear she has never in her life said she does not deserve me. She has been more serviant towards me also which is a trip. She is always asking if she can do this or do that can i get you something etc..
I have always been one to make people at ease, it just my nature. So when she told me she was not worthy on several ocassions I can only attest it to the a314. A314 was the only thing I was wearing as far as pheros are concerned.

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I’ve sometimes had a negative experiences with my wife that I attribute to mood (or an incredibly bad day) and if I am wearing my A314/IS I can see that the amplitude of the negative experience is significantly increased. However it is far less of a negative experience than I have noticed with other commercial pheremone mixes. A-none when she is in one of these states is a real issue.

Based on feedback and other’s experiences and when I was wearing other commercial products I started adding a little A1 and a mix of alpha and beta nol if I noticed stress responses in her. Within 30 minutes or so tensions released significantly.

My wife started suffering bouts of depression and transient post trauma effects after an armed robbery 8 years ago and seems to be quite sensitive to certain pheremones. She can be argumentative and quite agressive at times and hammers on the perception of what’s going on looking for inconsistencies. (she’s a lawyer…)

The sense of smell is an incredibly powerful memory trigger and I often wonder if pheromones tap into the same mechanism. My thought experiment imagines that if you accidently hit the type of pheromone signature of an armed robber you could trigger a panic response in one of his robbery victims.

Lately, I have been using CTTM instead of my home-made alpha/beta nol mix to soften the A314/IS if I think it’s necessary. It has been working quite well.

-Taoist

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Aurelie, pheromones aren’t strong, are you kidding?

Ever have them used on you? :slight_smile:

Since I’ve had workers and friends use them on me without me knowing, I can now say they’re much stronger than I ever thought. How we notice other people reacting is just the tip of the iceberg to what’s actually going on inside of them.

Burgerama, although the particulars of this situation are unique, her response is not since she’s going through a hard time right now.

A314 is a status increasing pheromone. People sometimes describe it as “subtle”, before they understand what’s really going on (how deep the changes really run).

In reality, it’s not subtle at all. People really you view differently with A314, as you’ve experienced. It’s a pheromonal makeover. Your very “presence” is now different.

Generally, women in a healthy state respond best to A314, and she’s not in the healthiest state right now. It makes sense. She’s DLV at the moment, and you’re DHVing off the scale, and the contrast is messing her up.

At least it should be giving her a sense that you’re someone dependable

I’d decrease the dosage of A314, so her internal contrast isn’t so stark, but I’d still use at least a drop a day. She needs someone dependable right now.

While she may feel that you’re the cream of the crop and too good for her with A314, at least she’ll knock you’re a rock she can lean on. You’ll be there for her. You’ll help her through the hard times.

Maybe add additional alpha-nol to lighten things up. To remind her that life is meant to enjoyed.

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Taoist, interesting experiences.

What sort of difference do you experience when you soften the A314 effect with alpha-nol vs. beta-nol (or an alpha beta mix)?

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With A314 and alpha-nol seems to simply soften and reduce the “you are my superior” attitude but will reduce personal space requirements and business handshakes become more friendly.

I have not used beta-nol by itself much at home as it tends to create the very protracted existential conversations that I am trying to avoid. Too much beta-nol and the conversation is can be hard to gracefully terminate because a lot of deep “sharing” is going on. Good stuff, but after a few hours I could use a break and my partner could go on all night.

Mixing the alpha and the beta -nols and keeping the dose about two sprays of CTTMv2 acts kind of like one martini without lightheadedness. More than two is too much in this use case. I am trying to get to a 1.5 dosage by experimentation.

This with 3-4 drops A314 applied hours earlier layered with two sprays of IS at the same time. IS gets refreshed sometimes, but I haven’t been keeping accurate notes on the refreshes. Just the initial dosages and responses. :slight_smile: