Does A314 put out the same vibe as IG, as in provider type?
I am thinking what kind of girls would A314 be best to use with.
Does them having a kid or a masters degree or being very beautiful effect how useful A314 will be with the girl? Just trying to get a picture, to see if using A314 will be more beneficial then just Ammo alone in one on one meet up/dates.
Here’s been my experiences with A314. If you want to rack up numbers, leave it at home. Seriously, say for example you have game enough that you could score numbers and a followup date with 8 out of 10 women. A314 might just cut that down to 6 of 10. I wasn’t sure why at first but I noticed the ones I blew out with were kind of…broken. Self esteem issues mostly, or just not all that bright. On the flip side the ones that I noticed were more responsive to the A314 were very confident women and almost aggressive (at first). Now this is not to say that all the women will be gorgeous or super smart, (most will but there are also delusional ones) but if they genuinely belief in themselves whether it’s justified or not they tend to recognize value in you. The others seem intimidated.
Now, say you decide that you DO want quality (brains, looks, confident, sexual, etc). Make you sure you actually have the balls to handle it and that you genuinely deserve women of that caliber cause brother, prepare for the shit test fest.
You’re coming up on a woman and throwing out a very strong dominant alpha male aura. She get’s this vibe from you and it’s definitely attractive to her but she needs to feel comfortable and secure by being sure you are what she thinks you are. She’s gonna bust your balls like nobodies business. Prepare to face an onslaught of off the cuff bitchy sarcasm, attempts at getting compliance from you (she might ask you to hold her drink or even her purse while she goes to say hi to a friend), she’ll interrupt you when you’re speaking etc.
Now, what she’s looking for is, are you gonna get all butt hurt and whine like a little bitch (nope, not the alpha I thought he was, NEXT!!!)
Or do you get overly hostile, aggressive and retaliate instead of respond (wow, asshole, possibly violent and dangerous, can’t control his own emotions, how does he expect to control me? not quite a REAL alpha…NEXT!!!)
BUT if you maintain a strong a frame, call her on her bullshit in a way that shows you are unaffected by it communicates a man that is solid, thick skinned and in control. She’ll then cool out and look at you like you’re a winning lottery ticket she just happened to find.
Now the caveat is that (I suspect at least) if you reel a woman in using A314, you better stock up on a lifetime supply because once you stop wearing, it’s like she senses your authority and power is suddenly waning and yep…she will start shit testing you again to make sure you’re still “the man”.
So yeah, imo you’ll screen out the basket cases and get interest from more women of higher quality but only if you got the balls to handle the shit tests. If you want just raw numbers stick with Ammo.
Ahhh thanks RADMAN!
Okay my brain is going over time now trying to think when I was wearing A314, how the girls shit testing me. I can’t seem to think of any!..yet.
Is it possible that I don’t notice it as a shit test and just act accordingly automatically? I am not going to say I am 100 % alpha, but I am pretty sure I have my moments.
For example I now remember I was wearing 2 drops of A314 at a club and I was talking to this beautiful girl, I mean really hot. A314 magnet for real!
She asked me to hold her drink while she did something, I can’t remember what. But I basically told her to give me a kiss and I will hold them. She kind of thought I was joking, but then I said again in a more dominating tone just ‘‘kiss me and I will hold them for you!’’ …and she did.
When girls call me weird or strange, I agree with them. Because I see it as good sign, because I am not like anyone else. But also in a way as if to say yeah get use to it, because I ain’t getting more normal.
Apart from them rare things, I can think of getting shit tested a lot when wearing A314? But if it does happen from a girl, it’s like once or twice then she never does it again?
I mostly wear A314 with Ammo now. I was only wearing A314 solo because that was all I had. Now I mostly wear 2 drops of A314 and 2 sprays of Ammo.
This would mellow the A314 a little and change the shit testing right?
I don’t think it really mellow’s it. Keep in mind the base of A314 is rone, and while ammo add’s none and nol to it, for every part of those it has it has an equal part rone so the ratio isn’t all that different.
Shit testing is a good thing if you can handle it. If the women weren’t attracted they wouldn’t be shit testing you. A314 sends an alpha male vibe that they are going to want to test and confirm as legit. If she’s not shit testing you, she’s probably not interested.
Shit tests might include “Here hold my drink for minute”
Pretending to forget your name when introducing you to other members of the group
interrupting you when you are talking
changing the subject when you’re talking
questioning, doubting or mocking an attempt at a dhv “calling bullshit on a story you’re telling” Mock yawing while you’re talking
Shit tests will be heavy in the early stages, you might get another one every now and again like she’s just double checking to make sure the boundaries are where she remembers them. But a couple of times I decided not to wear A314 at work and I work with several young attractive women (two of who’s I’ve slept with a couple of others I’m working on) and those days I noticed them being bitchier toward me than they usually are. So they come heavy early on, you’ll get a little one now and then afterwards but if you stop wearing A314 for a while, you might get hit with a wave like you do early one within a day or two of not wearing.
Ahhh interesting, yeah I can remember the feeling of them shit testing me, and me thinking why the fook they doing or saying that for, because it was out of the blue. I am getting to the point where I am being nonreactive to most things, and I just laugh it of, because I like to see life as not so serious as everyone makes it out to be.
But I am sure there comes a time when they are shit testing you and you need to react and put them in their place, otherwise they think your a push over and a fake. So I spose, we all need to find that fine line through experience.
So if A314 is Alpha and Ammo is Alpha as well, is it a different kind of Alpha or is it just different because Ammo has been buffered with IO in it. And A314 is more hardcore, like more pure solid alpha?
Thanks
Once again RADMAN is dropping bombs of wisdom!
I’m just going to add my five-bits.
Stud, you said earlier you don’t notice shit-tests? Me neither for the most part, and it’s definitely a good thing. It means that you are a natural Alpha, so you’re more likely to just plow down the shit tests like it’s automatic.
I’ve also noticed that the girls that respond well to the A314 are normally VERY aggressive, have high self-esteem, and also are used to having their way with guys. What surprised me was that once I started getting shit-tested I honestly didn’t realize it was a test until I looked back on it.
One thing that has worked well for me in that department is some good ol’ fashioned A-1. About 25mcgs should be enough to get you through the door and most likely even further if you can follow up right. When mixed with A314/MX297 it’s normally more than enough to start the fallout effect. But once this starts, be prepared for the long-haul.
Thanks Guys I appreciate it!
It’s good I still have my IFM then K-Train!
Ahhhhh, isn’t learning about pheromones awesome?
Rad,
Out of curiosity, what would you say to her when she asks you to hold her bag/drink when she says hi to a friend when wearing A314, while still projecting the alpha but not being an a hole?
BTW, I was in the EXACT same situation as the one you described (when my now wife, back then she was my gf, asked me to hold her bag while she said hi to a friend) - all I did was take her bag, put it on the table and carry on conversing. No hesitation whatsover. A314 men don’t carry handbags my friend.
I remember we came back home and she said “you should have held on to it, someone could have snatched it from the table”, to which my response was “don’t be silly, it was right next to me, now let’s get this bottle of wine opened”. Case closed.
2 drops A314 and 1 spray Ammo.
That’s so going into my sig.
Exactly the way to handle it. If its not a big deal, comply but do it your own way and never make a big deal about anything. Pretty much, just shrug stuff off and let it be, your not affected, your wearing A314!
Wow, inspiring on the “Test” factor, I would seriously have never thought of that.
Instantly anyone who reads this gets a heads up on their game, just another thing to spot. Thanks RADMAN
I completely disagree with you. The way you word things, as an authority, is not very open to allowing people to make their own conclusions. Which is really what Pherotalk is all about! A lot of the results I get are inner game when using pheromones, because it amplifies and shines the light on who you are being.
I think you have not adapted your game properly to A314. Maybe cold approaches aren’t working for you and A314.
Check out this post by a man who had a lot of experience with pheromones before he started using A314, and how once he got his bottle he played the game for the numbers:
Also interesting is this thread where he talks about his early research into pheromones:
I did state that this was from my own experiences and not a hard fast rule. The quantity of women that responded has gone down somewhat when I’ve used A314 but the quality at least in terms of women being confident and self assured has increased. I attribute this to women with lower self esteem or more insecurities being somewhat intimidated by the A314. And I thought the purpose of Pherotalk was to relate our personal experiences and our opinions regarding them. I have no doubt that if I modified my game I could ease up the intimidation factor of A314 and make it work as well for quantity and rack up huge numbers, but with a basic across the board type of game where you’re communicating value and status A314 can be overly intimidating to some.
I made a cold approach on a girl that was extremely attractive, I had three drops of A314 and one spray each of Ammo and Shine. Standard game includes a little negging, and the negs I usually use are very subtle and designed to never come off as mean spirited or overly critical. This girl was absolutely gorgeous but…a little bit of a ditz to be honest. Negs and screening hit her extremely hard and I noted her posture starting to change and she started to look like a kid that didn’t get what he wanted for his birthday, looking at the floor a lot, hanging her head. This girl had just shot down two guys before me, but because deep down she probably felt unworthy or something any little comment that I made to indicate a lack of interest or even standards that required more than just good looks seemed to hit like an outright insult.
Yeah, I think game should be modified for A314,I actually think A314 would be more effective in direct game than indirect, but at the same time it requires awareness of when you’re being shit tested for compliance.Which is something I’ve found a lot of less experienced guys lack. Now if you’re looking for an LTR with a quality woman that has a healthy self esteem then it’s the shit.
The thing I agree with evolver about the inner game is that there’s too much “systems” or “processes” that comes to doing things with women. If things just come out naturally, with confidence and with having overall fun, then you have nothing else to worry about. I have no doubt that your methods work Radman, you’ve given me great advice. But it just seems that with A314 specifically you’re looking for an overall change not with your game but within yourself. When you have to “game” A314 it just seems so un natural to me and that “inner game” is a better approach to it. Change the inside and let things fall where they may.
People might misconstrue from some of my posts that I don’t advocate inner game and that I’m simply an outer/indirect game advocate. Not true, I believe a strong inner game is necessary as a long term goal but requires actual successes based on practical techniques that work. The problem with the inner game movement is that so many of them take a very snobbish sort of view over technique, while I feel that both are needed, most inner game junkies feel that simple confidence alone replaces social skills and knowledge.
Here’s my ultimate view of inner game. How much would you pay a martial arts instructor that never taught you any actual moves, but simply tried to convince you that as long as you believe that you’re going to win the fight…you will?
How would you feel if you were a salesman and went to a seminar on how to increase your sales and instead of addressing issues about establishing trust and creating a sense of need or any other sales technique he spent 2 hours basically saying that if you believe in the sale it will happen?
Yes you have to have a solid inner game but I’ve seen guys who were so socially inept that they were too stupid to be insecure. They come barreling into a set like a bull in a china shop, saying all the wrong things, communicating their desire way to early and too consistently always bringing the conversation back to sex, or the girls looks or how sexy their clothes are. Now these guys had no lack of confidence or assertiveness, by all standards their inner game was untouchable. They ignored rejections cocky funnied themselves into having several hand prints across their cheeks and a ride home alone. Pickup, a sale, a job interview, or a fight…at their core they’re all human interactions with an ultimate goal. Confidence, assertiveness, frame, all inner game aspects are essential but without knowledge of practical strategy, technique and skill, it’s only slightly better than the AFC’s settling to go home with whatever girl chooses them.
It wasn’t really to you per se. It was more towards, hey do this this and that and say this this and that type of deal. Pheromones too would fall under this category, mix this with this at this amount at this refresh.
All in all it should be a combination of all of it instead of just one thing.
I’m an expert by no means with pheromones, I just got into them and only have two bottles so far with another 2 on the way. From what I’ve learned so far A-314 does make a difference when in set but it’s very easy to adjust accordingly. I meet people with the expectation they’re going to like me. I literally met two girls today while I was alone that walked by my friend yesterday WHILE I was with him…(these girls reminded me of this and I didn’t even remember them)
i don’t see it