When using the molecules by itself for socializing…
P75 increases self-confidence and attraction, but still can can edgy sometimes..
P74 good to be put in an uplifting mood and socializing but not that good for attraction..
To me I like TAC best, for attraction and socializing, decreased fear, laid-back attitude and relaxed body language…
If regular AMMO, 1 spray to chest. 2 of IS and 2.5 mcg P75 to neck. 2-3 IO to wrists. Increase P75 to 5 mcg to stave off beta if needed. Socials to be reapplied in 3 hours (not P75 , not reg. AMMO).
Went out with P75 in following combo last night:
IS x2, Ammo x2, p75 2.5mcg, IO x2.
Results.. Lots of attraction but no comfort. Women seemed turned on and would even stop talking with their friends when I looked over at them and check me out and smile but conversation was dead.
It appears its too edge and conversational power is cut short.. Not only does it make me not social but it makes others antisocial too. the few people who had confidence to approach me did so when I was in a context of a store/mall setting and went out looking for clothes… and it was usually guys..
I could also sense other guys protective of women they were with when I wore this combo as if they felt insecure, guarded, or had to protect their own.. perhaps they saw me as a threat.
This combo is great for attraction though and provided you give p75 the 3-4 hr window to gets its nasty side effects off of you (the first 3 hrs I am stoned on the product very lucid at 2.5 mcg), you may find it easy to get numbers.. but it is overall too antisocial even with IS and ammo in there.
Isn’t there a mix besides tac that is both extremely attractive and extremely social?
Why does it have to be one or the other.
if there is a mix that gives extreme attraction and complete comfort what is it?
Your results, the effects.. sound like a good thing to me, you might need IH to fix the dead conversation issue and to increase comfort/trust-worthiness.
You don’t really need TAC unless you want to slow down the Androstenone effect, such as on dates.
It’s a good base, needs some steering though.. You might also want to try just IH like 3 sprays instead of IO, it’s more of a different effect..
IO in a mix is more fun and party, IH is more serious, boyfriend-ish. With IH you will attract women that are more serious in finding someone to date.
Ok I’ll add IH and give it another whirl.. Did you say to keep my base mix including the p75? or that I should drop the p75?
So If I understand you correctly I will use:
IS, AMMO, p75, IH
How do you think this differs from
IS AMMO IH IO?
Can the latter be attractive? I find lots of comfort with the latter and wonder if its LJBC time (Lets just be confidants)
This is a wicked mix.. Its pure self effects and results. The self effects of cheerfulness and manliness coming from the shine and p75 respectively.
I went to the mall today and got to the point of asking a younger girl on a lunch date.. Turns out she was too young so I bailed.
It seems this mix attracts very young women, they crowd your space , don’t mind even touching you.. I was on the escalator and these two hot women were brushing up against me.. WTF? I must be double their age.
Lots of people at the mall were laughing around in my cloud… I wonder if it is putting them ina good mood or its just attracting a lot of teens who naturally are in a good mood and jolly.. I don’t know. But so many giggles.
No men approached me at the mall .. In fact I don’t recall seeing them in my immediate circle.
I will try your approach and refresh now with another 2 sprays of IS.. I used 2.5 mcg p75 after showering. I also used 2 sprays IS.. Now its 3 hrs later and I will refresh with another 2 sprays shine before heading out for dinner.
I find this a very social sexual mix. Doesn’t make women open you though.. No matter how confident they will give you signs , eye contact, talk to you longer.. be happy when you ask their name. But they will not initiate.. You are seen as the alpha …
Care to comment about your experiences with this mix? I’d like to get some feedback from your trials… please do tell…
Keep the P75, it’s adds more attention grabbing/interest provoking effects, compared to the latter combo. Play more with IO and IH to see which one you like best or which ratio/sprays gives you the best results.
From todays experiment I can tell you I have no fear like a white shark… I mean I literally felt like I could go for the kill and my “victims” were helpless from my attacks … hahaha
I feel p75 IS gives best buck for self effects.. the rest is up to you.. there’s edginess though.. I find I have to let the girls talk otherwise they may think I’m coming on too strong. It helps it there a context to the discussion, not just opening strangers on escaltors in malls etc.. I opened a girl in a tea store and we hit it off.
I also saw a lot of people FOLLOWING me around at the mall today.. Some would follow for minutes because I’d be running into them 5 then 10 min later. What are they thinking playing follow the leader with me??? What is going through their minds?
I’ll retry IS AMMO P75 IO IH.. Just feel its a risky combo to try.. i mean there’s just too many products in there and too much none from ammo.. Not to mention IO IH IS probably negate most of p75 self effects making things real beta.
When your scoping out a girl you want to keep the subject on topic and not drift off with gab, going off topic and maybe never getting to the point where you get the phone number or date.
P75 IS is CHEERFUL CONFIDENCE I tell you.. Right to the point.. You’re going for the kill.. Best for picking up chicks and getting s#'s. Not sure its best if I’m already on a date.. Still to try..
On a date you need to be more relaxed, more intimate in discussions and have more time to play with.. In this sense perhaps your combo is better
Thanks for tips… Appreciate it!
P75 doesn’t get negated that easily, it always shines through strong in a mix, even a complex one, unless you’re using strong putatives such as P91, P93, P96 and P97.
IS, IO and IH just add a social/communicative aspect to your signal, I don’t think they are that strong of a buffer, you can still OD on AMMO though. You might lose respect, or appear to be too goofy with IO if you use too much of it for example.
If you keep the dosage low like 2-3 sprays of each social I don’t think you will see negative effects…
I’ll try your combo tommorrow.. i find it has in the past made me very lucid and messed with my mind although I noticed IOI from others NOTHING happened because I couldn’t think straight with this combo on.
Try it without the AMMO. Apply P75 to the neck. Try just three sprays of IShine. P75 goes to work immediately, but you need to reapply the Shine in 3 hours. With your applications, the TAA is fading out after 3 hours and all you have is the edgy 75. Drop the NONE until you get your sweet spot with just 75 and Shine. Do you have a sweet spot for Shine? You need to find it. What’s your spot for IO? I use 1-2 sprays of Shine and 2.5 mcg of 75 to the neck all the time. Good mood booster. Real Alpha.
Bingo. You’ve got it down. I keep telling folks this. Get yourself the 30 mL of IShine and the 30 of the 2.5 P75. 2 sprays of Shine, 1 of 75, each to the neck. Solid day and night game all around. Good value and simple newbie combo. You can crank the Shine or hit 5 mcg if you need to. Three sprays is gonzo goofy. 5 mcg of 75 is “dude, get away from My women and leave them for me.” “All your chicks now belong to me.” When girls get touchy all you need is one word: Hi. With eye contact, you answer it with eye contact and Hello. You answer touch with touch.
I’ve seen a lot of good advice on this thread but only when I tried your combo of p75 IS did I get RESULTS not just IOIS… Real Alpha it is! Stay congruent my friends!
You’ve obviously been around the block with this mix… 
I’m loving it.. Do you have day to day expriences of it detailed anywhere you could point me too?
[edit] Its now a day later and I have read many of your older posts. Seems with this mix its almost impossible to end up in LJBF land its so easy to be congruent with it.
I have found that this, during the day, will cause high-status males to approach and seek you out (sometimes) in order to investigate someone who might be in their peer group and their territory. Now, women and men both respond subconsciously to social cues, and women will sense a signature of you being high-status and be curious. Shine also agrees with this, in the form of a healthy glow. IO is also good, but more playful. It has a sexual component, but not like NONE, not exactly.
You would not really get into a friendzone, because your status is too high for this level. Men and women both know you are above that. Whether or not you close the deal in terms of sex will depend on whether you meet other tests of quality, like actually being attractive, healthy and otherwise congruent. There will be a time to throw a shot of TUTH in here. In the dating mix, you can substitute 40 mcg P83 for IShine. You can also use 15 mcg in the day of 83 instead of Shine, repeating the 83 every 3 hours.
Yes, P75 has a burn in. You don’t have to use it that way, but you can. Apply it, wait two hours, then apply your socials. The effect is different slightly. In this mode, 2.5 of 75 with about 15 of 83, there will be virtually no scent.
Just a quick reply. Monesmadedoit thank you for your insight.. i will keep your posts in mind and keep a log of my future trials with IS p75.
Still18… I went out with your combo tonight.. but let me explain.. I wore 2.5 mcg p75 and 3 sprays shine first.. because I wanted to see the results of this mix again.. I noticed today for some reason i wasn’t relaxed and was feeling kinda tired and edgy with this mix so after 3 hrs when I went home I applied 1 ammo, 3 IO, 3 IH…
I went out to swiss chalet. I dealt with a few hostesses there including K my dream girl or nightmare girl whichever way you want to see her.
I noticed More eye contact and smiles from people and friendly open behavior without me even uttering a word. I also noticed K was coming over to my area repeatedly about 6 times in 5 minutes..
Now I don’t know if this was because she was preparing tables for a customer there or because of p75 but she was always in the vicinity. What happened a few minutes later is I mustered up the courage to say something. So as she was cleaning tables and not looking at me I spoke out loud , “Must be exciting heading back to school tommorrow” meaning University. We started a small conversation about 3 min in length after that. She looked very happy and was smiling a lot.. She also engaged me by talking back..
Keep in mind today I didn’t force conversation. As she took us to our tables I barely did any talking at all. The real remarkable thing is when she returned to the vicinity a few minutes later that i did the talking.
Later on the evening I passed by her in the hall and I see this huge smile at me but no words.. I immediately say Hi but do not kino her as she has rejected me by flaking on me in the past.
So there you have it… I think I will use this combo around her to get close to her over the next month as I’m too busy to go on a date this month (Too many plans) with any woman.
Later in the evening I went out to a coffee house and chatted up the server.. I just ordered a coffee and she kept initiating talk.. I eventually asked her if this was her full time job and she went on about how its not and how she has 3 jobs and goes to high school. then she starts telling me she dated a police officer.. people usually don’t tell me these things soon as I meet them.. She was blonde about 17.. Too young for me but it goes to show the IH must be doing something here.
Do you think applying the socials IH IO and also AMMO 1 spray 3 hrs later made a difference than applying everything at once?
It’s now 5 hrs after application of p75 and 3 hrs after application of IH IO and I still feel great and social.
I don’t feel the bass voice I had last time with p75 and great white shark confidence is not there as much. Either the p75 has run out or the socials tamed the signature.
I also don’t feel as mood uplifted as I did 3 days ago wearing shine.
But I could tell the effects on others were there.. And I could tell when I put on the socials I felt relaxed.. Something about IO and IH and maybe the neroli made me sense the extreme tense to relaxed contrast between IS P75 and then layering with ammo IO and IH.
Any comments? Suggestions? Going forward…
Doesn’t really make a difference on effects on people but could make a difference on how you feel, the self-effects. The edginess of P75 kinda fades away after an hour or 2 but the effects on others are still noticeable.
Did you feel the IO/IH enhanced your communicative ability/skills, cause with the Androstenols I always feel like talking, being social more.. and the same effects on others.
Yes the self effects were there.. Both when I added the IH IO I felt more relaxed after having p75 IS on, and also I ended up talking more into the evening in general.. More social for sure.
But the night with my SO ended up with her giving me a big kiss on the lips in the elevator.. After a series of compliments she gave me.. Now that I think of it I don’t think of her affection too in depth cause I’ve known her for so long but that is uncharacteristic of her.
Oh at one point during the night I felt rather tired of talking and she said " hey why aren’t you talking to me".. that goes to show I must of been a lot more talkative earlier on in the night with the mones.
Now if only I could get things more frisky. Tuth was not needed to get kissing from her or attraction from other women. Now I know if I date others I won’t need tuth to get kissing… question is do you put tuth in this combo? When and where?
More frisky with strangers or with your SO? To me AMMO with socials is more like romantic attraction, if you prefer a more forward - sexual/frisky signal I would use TUTH instead of AMMO then, and see how that goes.
For romantic attraction, thus I think ammo is better than tuth its just that its not very sexual when it comes time to closing the deal. The girl I’m developing attraction for is kinda young like 21 .. I think she would be repelled by tuth. In fact she likes 1 spray ammo up to a max of 2.. But when I notice more smiles from her I’m wearing 1. 2 and shes more serious with me. We’re developing a slow bond.. I can tell with other women its like attraction is on and then bonds develop, but because she’s seen me and knows my SO for months now we’re more like acquantainces, and I’d like to develop a social bond with her.. if this leads to more later that is fine but most importantly its a good time to get to know her..thus I think socials are best. But I don’t want to put her in LJBF land so I’m careful how I talk, dress, and present myself. My SO and I are not serious and I’m planning on asking this girl out to dinner in a months time.. In the meantime I’d really like to see the impact of this mix p75 , IS, AMMO , IO, IH on her. She’s kinda in my mind and I only think its fair I get in hers …
Back to the mix I think the socials really tame the IS p75 vibe.. With just IS P75 I’m WAY more emotionally detached (much better when thinking of multiple women)..with IH and IO I become more sensitive and tend to get more emotionally invested. I think I’ll use IS P75 most of the time, and only add in AMMO IH IO on days when I visit the restaurant or days I date.