I think that might be an anomaly – where Jasmin and Michael decide to make EST for sale to a limited group of experimenters, and it was a “one size to fit all purposes.”
If you have a dozen people who want various concentrations and you’re only willing to bottle one dosage, then the highest dosage is the way to go … yes (cynically, you might say) you sell more phero that way, but practically, you can dilute down 50 mcg to 5 mcg or 0.5 mcg … but, alas, you cannot “dilute up” from 5 mcg per spray to 50.
I’d bet that once “custom requests” are open again that Le Bon Jasmin would consider a lower cost, lower dosage EST offering.
Dont understimate EST. At low dosages, it has a calming, mildly cuddly effect on men. At high dosages, it causes pheromonal reassessment and bonding. Ive found at least 5 shifts in effect at different dosages and suspect that i wont know what the real effect is until i can try a brutal amount of it (which i cant reasonably afford). 1mg (1000mcg), if it doesnt require a strong cover, may cause involuntary action and affection. Ive noticed getting to the 300-500mcg point, people defend me (female too, but especially men) when anyone disagrees with me.
Its like soft affection. Definitely not love or lust. In fact, i think it makes sexual responses less likely. Try brutal EST with P83:P86:TAC. Try brutal EST with heavy MX102/MX103/MX203 and TAC. As long as you keep a natural progression, things that feel comforting are heavily welcomed.
With heavy EST, women hold my hand or take my arm and guide me places instead of giving directions. They hug me way too long and seem very empathetic, almost in tears sometimes, VERY attuned to my emotional responses and mood swings…protective. Lots of touching, a need to keep me happy. Cuddling comes easily. But its sweet, no sex push at all, and if you try to inject one, the buzz goes away in a heartbeat. If you could pull a woman in with EST, then change to MX102:TAC:P86, she would just flow into making love to you. It wouldnt be animal sex, but it would be incredibly deep romantic yearning. This is soft focus, water beaded on the glass shower door, scented oil on natural breasts, not pushy but undeniable. EST has a tremendous amount of liquid pull to it. Think of the song Linger by the Cranberries. Its that thousands-of-soft-kisses kind of feeling. If you go from that to Give it to Me Baby, the mood just shrivels up and dies.
lol I know no pheromone alone can make anyone fall in love with you but it does sound like an awesome ‘curl up and cuddle in front of the fireplace’ pheromone, which is what I’ve been waiting for.
Could you explain what you mean further? Obviously I know what you mean by the low dosage part, but what do you mean by “pheromonal reassesment”?
That seems a little contrary to what you just posted above that; you say it has 5 different effects at 5 different dosages but from what I’ve seen so far from posters including what I quoted from you above, more of this pheromone has the same effect, but “more of it”.
“Involuntary affection?” What is that… like from someone you dont know well? Im not trying to be rude I’m just confused; if this pheromone seems to cause a willful cuddliness it wouldn’t make sense to wear it around someone you dont want to cuddle with, and if you do want to cuddle with them you know them well and everything so the word “involuntary” confuses me.
Sexual responses less likely then only from those who do not feel the will to have sex from ahowing affection? Because a lot of people who feel really extreme emotions will want to havbe sex more when they feel like cuddling then they will when they are horny, especially if that cuddling also includes bonding (as you said you think this one does at higher dosages). Does your opinion of this pheromone making sex less likely not apply to the type of person I just described, then? Or is there something else I’m overlooking in your statement?
I don’t think the song “Give It To Me” baby involves much of a “mood” in the first place… it’s about sex for sex’s sake, so as long as one or both people is horny, it works right?
Changes to your signature are more readily accepted, so its not taken as weird when you suddenly become an A314 person or the life-of-the-party.
Additional effects are seen at higher dosages. They may be present at lower dosages, but unnoticeable.
Most pheros increase tendencies. Only a few seem strong enough to cause action. You misquoted me. I said “involuntary ACTION.”
At least for me, and possibly for my responders, EST makes the thought of sex feel a bit icky. Never underestimate the horndog motive, but Tater suspects that very high dosages will preclude sex for all but the most…ahem…genitally driven.
My point is that EST makes horny thoughts seem out-of-place at high dosages.
This makes biological sense if EST is indeed a pheromone marker of pregnant women. There is no biological reason for having sex with them, but there is a biological reason for comforting and protecting them.
This matches my experience exactly. If I want loving affection sans sex, EST has been the way to go. Can’t wait til my TAH gets here. Wonder what those two would do together…
Tater has been thinking about EST a bit more. Its definitely the trigger for making people protective and want you to be happy. Checking my notes, the consistent thing i got from women at higher dosages was being highly in touch with my emotions, watching me, guarding me. People surrounded me, as though they were my bodyguards.
Wind’s point may be that men are supposed to go into “protect” mode with low dosages of EST. Whats weird is that EST doesnt feminize and has such a long range. Guys from across the room will come over and be purposefully nice (protective).
I read this a few times and I find it very interesting especially after I read GW’s post because it is reminiscent of how a pregnant women is treated many times. It has been reported to have a coddling effect.
Of course the reactions would be different when worn on a women.
Its next on my list of things to get and test.
Interesting post for those who have not seen it yet…
Tater do you find that the effects you notice are simular to when men wear TAL or TAH ?
I have seen reports on men being treated motherly when wearing TAL.
Had sex with my bf for the first time while wearing EST today. Had several sprays in my hair, I’d estimate about 50 mcg. My bf commented that I smelled good, even though it’s the same body splash I’ve been wearing since we met and he’d never commented on the scent before. We decided to head to the mall and to the movies. Just before we left I added two sprays of IS/a.. one to each arm pit. I’m commenting because, upon returning home, my bf exhibited the normal signs of EST. He opened up one of his old journals and found a poem he’d written about his dream woman. He shared it with me, commenting on how well I fit the discription. All of this is common for the way he responds to EST. The thing that was different was that, after hours of cuddling and talking and playing, he wanted to have sex! Normally, EST means loving devotion and no sex from him. Anyhow, we did and it was so gentle and tender and loving. Wow, it was amazing. More experimentation is needed to figure out what gets him to the physical when EST is a part of the days mix.
Do you know based on your post (probably because of the subject you used) I thought you meant that this put him in the mood to have sex with you in a loving way, in addition to all of the other things it does, and that this was unusual for him because he has sex in a sexual way. So I thought you had had sex with the first post.
Would it be too out-of-place then if I asked you what your personal views are on what “type” of sex is best or usual for you? Just because of how the personality could relate to pheros.
Yes I know, my comment there had nothing to do with the main topic.
but it does sound like an awesome ‘curl up and cuddle in front of the fireplace’ pheromone, which is what I’ve been waiting for.
Normally, EST means loving devotion and no sex from him. Anyhow, we did and it was so gentle and tender and loving. Wow, it was amazing. More experimentation is needed to figure out what gets him to the physical when EST is a part of the days mix.