Fallout. Finally, a report from a Woman's perspective

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I posted this in my journal, but felt that it was too good to hide from the folks who don’t browse the journals.

If you’re interested in the back story between me and my target “M”, read back a few posts in the Journal to see how things have progressed. Long story short, I’ve been subjecting her to 2 drops a314 every day for the past six weeks, and certain days I’ll top off with some AMMO in the afternoons, or combine it with IH, p74, or IS. I vary the layering depending on the mood of the day…

*EDITED for dosage info:
2 drops a314 rev 32 oil behind the ears on lotion
IH strength x2, usually 1 or 2 sprays
IS strength x2, usually 2 sprays, occasionally 3.
p74 10mcg per spray, usually 1 spray only.

Since realizing what a strong hold I have on this woman “M”, I’ve been wanting to ask her what it was about me that drew her toward me. She could have nearly any guy she wanted. I really wanted to get to the bottom of this, and have her verbalize what I feel is a very effective Fallout situation.

Well, I hit Gold, ladies and gentlemen.

This is our email chain from earlier this evening. Pay close attention to her wording, and tell me that isn’t a textbook response from someone in the grips of a fallout.

*Me: Have you thought about what it is about me that sets me apart from everyone else? When they’re offering themselves to you and you could take your pick?

“M”: It was the way you looked at me that got my attention. The desire in your eyes became very apparent. Don’t get me wrong I see those eyes a lot, but yours were beautiful. I wanted to please you…I wanted to take care of you. It took me aback and I had to stop for a second. I wondered why you looked at me that way, what was your lure towards me? I had to know what it was, I had to know you. I started craving you. The way you keep yourself away from other people, that makes you mysterious (tall, dark and handsome). I love the way you drive me crazy. You make me so horny at work that I can’t concentrate. My body yells at me. The only thing I want to do is taste your lips. I love the tension! Yet, I am in so much need of you that I think I need space. I am not use to having this much desire for someone, and if I do…I satisfy it quickly. I know you are not like that and I respect that. My body wants, what my body wants and I can’t have you so I need to remove myself from MY temptation. You make my day every time I see you at work. I smile with anticipation when I hear someone walking by my office (hoping it is you). At this point I need to curve my attraction towards you, because I like you as a friend as well. I want to be able to hangout with you without wanting to jump you.*

Fallout Without A314 and P83?
Newbie Trying 2 Decide B/ween AMMO & TUTH, Likes Attraction & Sexual Pheromones. M/36
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Great. Oil or spray here? What rev. A314? I’d suggest gradually adding 1 more dose 314, say to the wrists. Wash it off if you OD. Keep up the tension. Try adding TUTH, first 1 spray, then two. Eventually, she will seek relief of this tension. Sometimes, P83 will fix that LMR if all else fails. I think you could safely back off any social buffers, except perhaps IH. I’m not even really sure IH or P74 is helpful at this stage. Set the hook and reel in. The pursuer becomes the persued. That’s fallout alright. The man of mystery. The box with the wrapper that beckons to be unwrapped. Do not open 'til Christmas…but the temptation is impossible for her to resist.

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I’m glad A314 works for u. From my research 2 months I came to summary its overrated, overpriced and intimidating. This is not to put anyone off.

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Monesmadedoit, I edited the original post to include rev/dosage/strength etc.

Believe me, if I could articulate better how ‘reeled in’ she already is, I would. She’s not the one resisting (unless you count not jumping on top of me in the office resisting). If we stick with your fishing analogy, I imagine her as the fish on the end of my line, dangling in mid air flopping around, gasping for breath, wondering to herself whether or not I’m going to let her back in the water and breath, or put her out of her misery.

She said it herself. She’s not used to having this much desire for someone. She truly is a fish out of the water here. With the guys lining up to take a number, I’m likely one of the only ones to have enough draw to make her do a little leg work. That’s attractive and intriguing to her.

She claims she’s at the point where if I make her wait any longer, she’ll have to turn a cheek and try to pull away. I highly suspect this is the Alpha in her shining through… she’s testing me, trying to regain control of the situation, possibly trying to worry me into finally making the move. What I’m Very curious about is if I dial up the tension even further, and then let her walk away. She claims she can turn the switch off and not look back. That would be a true test to how deeply the fallout hit.

TODAY: 3 drops a314 rev32 oil. 1 spray TUTH.

Thanks for the suggestions, Mones, and thanks for the nomination.

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UPDATE:

I spent the last week on vacation, so it was the perfect opportunity to see how deep the claws were set on my fallout.

I purposefully did not reach out to her immediately, and I let the fact that I was gone… missing from her everyday… really set in. By mid week she was telling me how she found herself walking toward my office almost unknowingly, feeling drawn there. She admitted she missed me a lot, and missed the “energy I brought into the room” when I would stop by. I could tell this was a lot for her to admit. She’s not used to being the vulnerable one, and she’s uncomfortable with the fact that I *Know she’s vulnerable around me.

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Very interesting and entertaining thread, if you don’t mind my saying so Shark.
I’ve been in a similar situation. My present gf, with which I had to suffer a prolonged chase :wink:, was used to be the one on the pleasant side of the"fishing-rod", not only with me but with most, maybe all her suitors.
To finally observe her falling for me, after consciously adapting and changing a lot of things in my life and attitude, was a thrilling, fascinating and wonderful experience. Mones also did play a part in the advanced stages of the plot :wink: … I feel from how you write about it, that you too enjoy the situation in a way - it’s funny, exciting, strange, intense, erotic, powerful, significant and banal all at the same time … Will follow your journal, thanks for sharing!

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I don’t mind at all, Gorch. That’s why I posted it, hoping it provided some entertainment and some potential guidance.

You hit the nail on the head. The entire situation is enjoyable. Obviously, the fact that I have a *10 hitting on me, following me, telling me she misses me, tries to find excuses to bump into me (literally) is all a bit overwhelming. Especially when I see the caliber of guys she could bag if she wanted (physically amazing shape, cut, ripped etc..) I’m no slouch, but I don’t stack up against some of these monsters.

In fact, the other day she emailed me asking if I’d send her a shirtless picture showing my Abs. I dropped my phone and laughed, Hard, for minutes… When I recovered I explained to her that I’m not as “cut” as she may think. Flight suits have a way of slimming and at the same time masking what your physique really looks like. I told her she won’t be counting to 6 on my stomach, possibly 2 or 4 on a good day, but I’d send her a pic anyway. She thought it was hilarious, witty, and somehow sexy. I think she fell for me harder after that… ?

It’s an amazing ride. I’ll update as more interesting details surface :slight_smile:

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Speaking of more interesting details…

She’ll be stopping by the apartment within the hour. A rather spontaneous plan…

2 sprays TUTH, Neck and Chest, standard strength
TAC 25mcg TOTAL, neck
P83 50mcg TOTAL, arms

Let’s see where this goes.

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Start at 20 and ramp up in increments of 10. P83 is really volatile. It can turn and bite you! 10 TAC per spray TUTH seems right.

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Can you elaborate on the volatility of p83? I’ve tested this dosage before without any negative side effects, so I’m just curious where you’ve seen this turn bad, at what dose, and what the effects were.

P83 didn’t bite, but someone else did :cool:

This woman is so frustrated. She’s been with only woman for months, and is afraid to be with a man again. She’s very hesitant to let me touch her, yet she’s all about touching me. I could see the p83 tugging at her strings… making her want to do things she knew she wasn’t ready for. It was nearly amusing watching the struggle…

She kept tugging at the neckline on my t shirt, pulling it down and kissing my neck/chest where I had the TUTH sprayed… she reeaally seemed to enjoy this area. She also spent a fair bit of time sniffing and kissing/nibbling my inner arms where I had the p83 sprayed.

Now enter TAC - she admitted never wanting to open up to anyone, for fear of being hurt, and yet here she was, relaxed, opening up to me and telling me about parts of her past.

FALLOUT effects revealed - laying next to me, half dressed, she admitted (reluctantly) that at first it was all about blatant physical attraction that drew her to me. But after a little while, it became obvious to her that she was beginning to care about me on a deeper level, which she wasn’t expecting, nor was she used to.

I know to some guys putting in a solid TWO Months worth of pheromone testing on a single individual seems like a lot of effort, but we’re not talking about dragging a woman half-drunk home from the bar to add a notch on your head board. This is legitimate “I’m falling for you” material.

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P83 is like TAL, and perhaps a bit like P79. It makes women spunky, which can cause them to act out on emotions…which can have unintended consequences if -eNone hits at a time they are not receptive to it. If for any reason they are irritated, they’ll show it. As you go above 30 mcg, it gets tricky. 20-30 is pretty safe.

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His dosages are spot on, especially for his age. He obviously did his homework. P83 in high doses is no problem around acquaintances up to 60mcg, it becomes confusing around strangers where the stimulating can be too much to handle, that’s where people usually recommend 30mcg or lower.

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I appreciate the vote of confidence Still. But I also appreciate the feedback from monesmadedoit. My “homework” included reading every one of your posts I could find…

I think you’re both right. Considering she’s a close acquaintance at this point and already a very uninhibited woman, I felt a higher dose was in order. I would never attempt over 30mcg on a ‘first date’ or ‘chance encounter’.

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TAC might markedly raise the P83 threshold but also dampen the itensity…a slow burn. Honestly, each additional molecule in a combo raises the variables greatly. It’s almost impossible to extrapolate dosing in a 4-molecule combo. At best, only general ranges are possible. The only real OD effect of TAC is drowsiness/overbuffering. P83 made me sleepy over 60 mcg. None of these are prescriptive, since your own natural -eNone output, etc, etc is a personal unknown. Which is why I shun absolutes that ignore climate, ethnic, age factors. Also, as many as ten percent of all wearers and targets have ADD-like brain chemistry that causes paradoxical sedation effects with otherwise adrenergic mones. They become sleepy with stimulant mones like P102, P75. I class these two with P83, TAF and P79. Cf. MX353 / Pherobomb, sans P86. Moreover, ovulatory changes vis a vis all -eNones are a huge unknown. See M. Harris posts for the Rone/None contrasts. Bad Boy vs. Provider. I trust you know 83 to be mostly a communication/kino product steered with TUTH to lower LMR. It’s a bit like pheromone porn or a 900 sex chat line. Some users wrongly misinterpret it as sex in a bottle. I think you know better.

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It is not always about the additional molecules that make it possible to wear the combo, it is the situation, current energy levels and the fact the target is an acquaintance that makes high dose blast acceptable. Attraction is already present, the problem is when people expect a combo to work while these important factors are missing. While this combo is generally accepted as working, in a different situation it might not. Your signal has to match your actions, behaviours, the environment and energy to get the most out of it. You are right, there is more to P83 than “sex in a bottle” it is situation dependant. tacitus made a good point about this: The all time hottest, filthiest Sexmix of all time... - #25

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UPDATE:

After a wonderful evening with “M”, I received an email from her this morning telling me she decided she needed to back off. She was struggling with a few different variables about this “relationship” and thought it best if we cool down and remain friends.

I was admittedly a little upset, because we were getting to know each other nicely, and I thought it a very odd time to back off. I decided I wasn’t going to try and talk her out of it, or convince her that she shouldn’t make that decision. If she’s uncomfortable then who am I to argue??

We had a talk later in the morning while in my car. I was wearing a314, two drops as per usual. Two sprays p74 to my arms, and Two sprays Shine x2. After verbalizing my defense and then telling her she has to do what she has to do, she begins to tell me that I’m driving her crazy. I’m teasing her, torturing her…

She proceeded to literally talk herself out of the decision she just made. The final conclusion was “I want you so badly, you drive me crazy. I’m yours.”

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I have spent a year of intensive study of the issue you present. I have tested everything except A1 known to be remotely related to the fallout issue. There are some basic techniques with embedded commands via NLP in texting and email. I also direct you to the books by Robert Greene…immediately if not sooner. You are at a critical seduction stage. Back off. Let her miss you. Continue to apply the A314, 15 mcg or so P74 and 2-3 sprays of IH. Add a bit of -eNone if the mood seems right. Be advised I offer this to help you, not to get into a debate about dosing of P83 with other thread participants. I have dozens and dozens of posts bookmarked consistently showing the viability of this concept, dating to SwingerMD and M Harris in 2006. You will find dozens of times P74 used in the same sentence with boyfriend. Search and see. This is not a F you formula. It is slow romance. I have tested them, at a cost of over $5K in entertainment expenses. Be patient. The signature of 314 and 74 is embedded into her thoughts, if you have been using IH regularly. Back off. If fallout has set in, she will contact you. Greene is not some DVD PUA huckster. He’s a bestseller. NLP works. I’m a mission oriented guy. I will test every product until I arrive at a perfected fallout formula. Full stop.

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Good luck with that, based on the current available molecules you will never arrive at a perfected fallout formula, there is not much to work with, with what is in stock, accept that and be at peace.

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I disagree. Considering two things: “perfected formula” will be individually dependent, and it’s been proven countless times one does not need a “bomb” of products to create the desired effect.

Monesmadedoit - I agree wholeheartedly. That’s why I didn’t attempt to argue or dismiss her concerns this morning. I just said OK, you do what you have to do. She was the one that convinced herself she didn’t want to end things… within 15 minutes, actually.

Thanks for the tips. I’ll continue with said mix and ease up on contact some.

I know it’s all for help, and I know you’ve been conducting extensive fallout testing… I’ve been following along.

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There is no such thing as a perfect formula for fallout or otherwise that will work for everyone. Its impossible simply because you do not begin with a clean slate. You produce your own pheromones and those are going to steer the formula. You also have to keep in mind that different people will process the pheromonal signal in slightly different ways due to life experiences.

You have to mess around with mones and find what works for you. They are not one size fits all.