Feeling very confused . . .

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I’ve been trying various 'mones, and some mixes, all with reasonable but unpredictable results.

The one constant is that things gradually get better over the course of a working day, with most “hits” in the afternoon or early evening.

The one time I wore some heavy duty Ammo and spray of tuth late in the evening, there seemed to be almost no effects!

Some facts: I am 56, my target lady is almost 40. I had assumed that it was almost impossible to OD with Ammo with our ages; still, I have been using 2 sprays of SE initially. Then, after reading about P75, P130 and P83, I switched to a mix of P75 (2.5mcg) and P130 (12.5mcg), with a few sprays of Instant Shine and Instant Honesty to different areas.

Same story, about 8 hours after application she would become a lot more touchy-feely and start confiding personal stuff, much more so than in the mornings.

Last weekend, she caught me by surprise when I only had 2 sprays of Shine (2x strength), and she really seemed to open up over a 3 hour lunch. Just with some Shine!

Another significant factor is that we know each other REALLY well, for over 4 years now. I am technically her supervisor, but in the last 12 months we have become very close friends, and in the last 6 months she’s been indicating that she’s interested in taking things further, but very slowly. I’m getting frustrated!!

So, because she knows me so well, are the 'mones taking her by surprise? Is it taking the 8 hours for them to almost be gone before she feels comfortable around me? That’s the way it feels.

I’m starting to feel like dialling everything back to just some Shine 2x, with maybe a tiny amount of P75. I know that her priority in life right now is to finally break free from her control-freak ex., and seek some stability for herself. I see myself as the stable influence - I own the business - but I’m not sure what pheromone signature is going to help. Best results seem to have been from P75 + P130, but some folk on this forum think that’s an odd mix!

Struggling.

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Not all people react straight away, Iv even had it where I have worn a mix around someone and seen no effects but the next day they where reacting exactly how the mix was intended, you also need to consider that chopping and changing your mix a lot round her will confuse her over time. If p75 + p130 works for you stick with it, if I was in your situation and this is just my opinion, I would keep a base of A314 around her at all times( 35+ women eat it up) and just steer it in different directions depending on the mood you want to create.

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Thanks for your reply.

A314? I’m just a bit concerned that this will emphasise our age difference - I’m trying to “appear” younger! Is this fear unfounded? And could I apply A314 with my P75/P130 mix in a different area?

Does this mean that Ammo may just not work in my situation?
In that case I’ll save my P83 + tuth for when (if) things get red hot!

Thanks again for your thoughts.

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I feel standard Ammo is more suitable for a guy your age. I think Ammo SE really plays on girls younger than 25. Maybe even the P130 is too much, but you’re going the right route with P75 and P83.

As for TUTH, would really only recommend that once you can tell she has solidified interest in you and has given you distinct IOIs. Otherwise, you just come off as a lech.

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Eli,

ironically, I seemed to be getting the best results when I was using SE on one arm, P75/P130 on the other arm and then Shine and Honesty to opposite sides of my neck!
That late evening, I used 2x STANDARD Ammo, not much happened, although we had a blast, lots of light touches and innuendo. But then, . . . . . nothing! Mind you, her best friend was with us, who is a little against us getting together. May have been a damping influence.

It just seems that standard ammo doesn’t do much at the moment. The P75/P130 mix seems to promote a light-hearted atmosphere with loads of banter and touching after about 5 - 6 hours, then we get into deeper conversation after work, she seems to accept me stroking her hair, but that’s where I run aground.

I think I’ll stick to the P75/P130 mix with some shine and honesty, and order up some A314. Then it’s time to invite her out for dinner. . . .

Anybody want 2 bottles of 2x Ammo???

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Women are INCREDIBLY influenced by the opinions of their female friends. It’s kind of ridiculous. -_- Us dudes will suggest something, but will ultimately let our guy friends decide their own course of action.

And I’m just snowballing ideas here. This is just what I’ve heard. Being only 20, I have no idea how an older male would be affected by the same mones I wear. I’m really just going off what I’ve read on this forum. For P130, I actually have had zero success with this so far, but if it’s working that kind of magic for you, don’t give it up!

As for your apprehension with A314, it is reasonable. I’ve read many reports from younger users who use A314 at social events and are almost UNWANTED at said events because they come off as authoritative figures, narcs, snitches, etc. It’s dependent on the woman she is. She may take it as a “father figure” vibe, which is respect versus attraction, or she may take it as a “charismatic” vibe, which is attraction versus respect. I wouldn’t recommend A314 as a standalone though. Definitely do some research and see what mixes work well with A314. I would suggest some, but I have no clue with A314, and have heard certain sexual mones with A314 are a recipe for total disaster. GOOD LUCK MATE! Make her swoon!

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P.S., use the search feature for this forum for good mixes or refer to some of the sticky threads. If you can’t find anything, just pop up another thread. People will be more than happy to suggest mixes. A314 is AD’s flagship product. You’ll have no trouble finding helpful hints and suggestions.

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Thanks!

It’s good to know that there’s so much support here. I know this woman likes me, but as each week goes by it’s like 2 steps forwards and 1 step back. We’re making progress, but the 1 step back each time always slaps me in the face. . . . I think you have hit the nail on the head with the friend’s opinion thing. She has told me several times herself that her friend is already very jealous of the close relationship that we have, and constantly makes comments about it being inappropriate to get involved any further. The only way round that, as far as I can see, is to win the friend over too.

The other problem is the ex.; he has already stalked us, and seen me putting my arm round her shoulder as we walked to a bar. He gave her a hard time later about that.

So, now I think about it, my lady has a number of difficult issues to overcome if she wants to take our relationship any further.

This whole issue about things getting better over the course of each day may be down to my lady arriving stressed in the morning, and gradually feeling more secure with me after a few hours. May be nothing to do with the 'mones! Could explain why Ammo doesn’t seem to do much, if her mind is elsewhere.

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Unfortunately mate, she’s receptive to the idea, but has some factors meddling. And her friend is likely the biggest culprit. Don’t mind her ex. I find that when a women’s ex is against her current partner, it, in most cases, attracts the female more to you. It makes her ex come off as clingy, overly judgmental, and jealous. Just be careful, as she can take this as a sign that he still cares for her and may fall into that trap. It’s really up to you man. But women are women. If you don’t get in with a women’s friends, you won’t get in with her. Is absolutely STUPID, but true. Your next goal is to win over her friend. This is where A314 and some socials would do nicely for you. DO NOT WEAR SEXUALS AROUND HER FRIEND. Respect and social mones only, but not to the point where you’re too overbearing with authority. Look up some mixes!

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That could be the mistake I’ve been making - wearing Ammo too much around her friend; every time she turns up with her husband, and sit with us, they always start arguing within 10 minutes. Every time.

OK, I’ve ordered the A314, and will research how to compliment it with socials for a few weeks. I can see that I have to work on becoming the overall popular guy!

Thanks for the help.

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A314 will signal you are a mature, trustworthy, dependable male but not old. Pheromones always work best to enhance what you have better then filling in what you dont, you are the boss and you need a signal that will compliment that, I would highly recommend looking into A1 as well those to go together like magic, click the link in my Sig if you want a quick overview of what it does.

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Ghost, thanks for the input. I guess I need a 'mone that gives a mature, masculine, dependable vibe; one that says “This guy will look after you and protect you”.
Is that consistent with A314?

One good thing about A314 is the duration of effects, being oil-based, as it’s difficult for me to re-apply during the day.

Looking forwards to joining the A314 forum!

:slight_smile:

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A314 is solid around her friend, but even she may reciprocate the “too old for me” vibe that could come with it and warn her friend that “he’s too old.” Definitely underlay it with a social. A strong social. Maybe research A314 + IO/IS/IH or any other socials.

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I see the problem. You say you know her for over 4 years and really well.. Did you ever think she’s thinking of you more as a friend?

I had a girl I chased for 6 months turn me down because I didn’t make it clear soon enough that I was interested in her. Turns out now I’m in abetter position with a new woman I just met.

I also met this woman at a restaurant (waitress) and had an intimiate conversation with her.. next time I saw her she didn’t serve my table but I approached anyways when I left and told her I look forward to being served by her ina subsequent visit.. I also asked her some more personal questions about her background.. She was all smiles.

The next time she serves my table I will make small talk then ask her out for a drink.

The less time you spend playing games the less emotional involvement you will be putting yourself through.

Did you ever think about expanding your search and looking elsewhere starting anew too? i mean even with this girl I met I like her but I am constantly looking elsewhere cause in life who knows where things will turn out 3 months down the line…

Get my point?

For mones I have found a confident signature works best around her.. I still to IS AMMO p75 IO IH and make sure to be presentable (well dressed in different clothese every time I see her), in shape (showing off my mucles because she herself has a nice body), and social (making sure I communicate with her as woman like a man who takes the lead when appropriate, and a man who initiates conversation especially in the beginning stages of dating).

I think your problem might not even have to do with mone choices. You say you own the business but your not acting very alpha (no disrespect meant).. An alpha will not wait around forever.

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dsouza,

thanks for your thoughts. To clarify a little, this woman and I have worked very closely together for 4 years. Back then, we were both married, and I put up a “boss - employee” wall between us. I was friendly but very professional. That lasted 3 years. In that time she got divorced, I separated with divorce due any time soon, and after 3 1/2 years I realised that there was some sort of a little spark between us. So I told her why I had been so remote for 3 1/2 years, and she suggested we went for a drink after work. That was September last year. We started going out for a drink about twice a week at first, and discovered how much we had in common, sense of humour, food, films, the lot. After 2 months I confided in a colleague that I really found this woman very attractive. Well, it didn’t stay confidential for long! Next day my lady turns up at work wearing some make-up (very rare for her) and starts hitting on me, initially with compliments about everything, then playful insults, then touching my arm, shoulder and back as the next few days went past. Then she started engineering more time together after work. And so it has gradually escalated. But we are taking it very slowly for several reasons; her ex. is still around, and making life hard for her, and hates me. I am still merely separated (4 yrs), not divorced yet - going thru now. I don’t want to intimidate her by being the letch, and losing her in a business capacity - she is brilliant at her job. And she doesn’t want to risk her job by “coming on” to the boss!
Still, we are spending more and more time together outside of work, and when we are walking somewhere I usually have my arm around her, or around her waist; she puts her head on my shoulder. When we’re sitting in a bar, I frequently reach out and tidy her hair, then just run my hand through her hair and let it rest at the base of her neck as we talk.
I feel it’s pretty clear where we are going with this.

ANYWAY

I used some A314 today for the first time. Just one drop, divided between both ears. I stuck with my usual P75/P130 mix on one arm, with Summo on the other arm and some IS and IH to my neck. She seemed to react within a few minutes of coming into the room, reacting to me like she normally does after a few hours previously. Straight into the hand touching, resting against each other when examining something, and flirty remarks and teasing. And it lasted all day. So this is a marked step up.
Going to repeat the mix for the next 2 days, then we have a lunch date Friday, after a couple hours work in the morning. I’ll switch out the Summo for straight Ammo, and then add 25mcg P83 at the restaurant.

Onwards and upwards!