Fire and Ice journal (my products have landed)

So I just got my latest round of orders and am ready to really start testing things out now!!

I already have A314, Instant Honesty, Instant Openness, Instant Female Magic, and alpha impact.

Now i have the following:

Perception gel packs
Alter ego gel packs
Edge gel packs

Ammo togo
Instant Honesty togo (a free gift included by Androtics – THANKS GUYS YOU ROCK!!)
Turn up the heat (to go)
Mix 273 (to go)
P83


So the shit is really going to hit the fan at this point. This thread will be about my tests and their results. I hope that you will all chime in whenever you want to regarding my applications and tests as well as my observations. There are many on here that are probably more seasoned and expert than I am regarding these products. I will use this layout as a precursor to my reports:

DAY X (which day it is 1-5 of the origional stand alone testing for a given product)

LOCATION (Where I was when this product was tested)

Application: (Where I applied the product(s) and how much)

Mix: (any other products mixed with it, if any)

Rating: (an overall rating of the day from 1-5 for the purposes of socialization and observations)

Here is my pheromone career findings so far:

Best work mix: Instant Openness + A314
Best mix for clubs/bars: Edge with Instant Openness or Scent of Eros
Best mix around women for extended periods: Alter Ego

Some upcoming test mixes of interest:

Mix 273 (standalone)
Mix 273 + turn up the heat
Ammo + turn up the heat
Alter Ego with P83
A314 + mix 273
A314 + ammo

Favorite products up to this point:

A314
Shine
Alter ego
Edge
Instant openess/Scent of Eros

Stand alone tests within this thread to be conducted:

See A314 thread for A314 – which still has many tests to go.
See alpha impact thread for alpha impact

As for this thread:

Ammo
Mix 273
P83

TEST: Standalone mix of 273 togo bottle

Day: 1 of 5

Location: Work

Application: 2 sprays at 12:30pm to chest and fingers. 1 refresher spray at 4pm to wrists rubbed on chinline. 1 more refresher spray at 5pm to chest. So basically 2 sprays and then 2 refresher sprays – meaning that I was testing 2 sprays at a time assuming that in heat hot enough to sweat that the spray wears off for the most part within 4 hours. Some say the sprays can last up to 6 hours but given humidity, heat, and sweat I am assuming after 4 hours a refresher spray is necessary.

Mix: I only applied mix 273 today

Rating: 3

The first thing I noticed were the self effects of this product which to me at this time (it’s very early for me to make any final conclusions) is the best part about this product.

The spray smells very good, like a high quality cologne and in my opinion the smell of it alone – is worth the price I paid – which after points was 15 dollars.

I had an issue with getting the spray to come out at first, and as I was pumping it I sprayed my first full spray onto my finger and quickly rubbed my finger to my chest. I smelled my finger over and over and kept being drawn to smell my finger. Smelling it over and over changed my mood and basically was like a kick in the ass. I was a bit lazy and lathargic and have been worn out the last couple of days. Suddenly I was in a good mood and had more energy. I also felt more motivation than in days past and I felt friendlier and more social. I just felt alive, focused, and in a great mood.

Throughout the day I was striking up more conversations at work than is normal for me, I was singing, and I was cracking jokes and messing around. This is a mood I get in without pheromones but this application seemed to inspire it. There’s just something about it that to me makes the self effect of the application exceeded what Instant openess, shine – or any other product with the exception of none – can do to my mood and actions.

So if I had to judge this product after just 1 day, I would say the self effects it gave me were the best of any other product besides none – but WITHOUT the side effects that none can cause to your mood sometimes – like irritation and impatience.

Now it’s rumored that mix 273 is a ammo variant and if it is i would say it’s an ammo variant that is more on the social side of things rather than more on the sexual side. I could be wrong – again – it’s just been one day.

I did get some nice smiles from some nice SIZZLING hot ladies today – but I smiled first. I also did not get any bad reactions from anyone that I reached out to for the most part. People seemed happy to talk to me and I felt a bit closer to them and they felt a bit closer to me. It was nothing over the top granted – no long winded discussions, no people repeatably seeking me out, nothing like that. However there was a nice light hearted vibe going on with the people who I talked to and with some effort to talk people seemed to be happy to talk and to divulge information. I did have a couple people follow me around a bit. There were some other subtle things that I wont discuss yet.

I don’t know if these things were based on the self effects and how I came off based off of how the product made me feel – or if it was the products effect on others.

I could say that I got some hits at this point but I did initiate the things that got returned to me. Some warm smiles and some female interest was present throughout the day with 3 or 4 strangers and with the 3 girls I worked with today there was some light flirting here and there going on – although this is normal – it just seemed a bit “different” today – a little bit “warmer” – it’s hard to explain.

I like this product so far if for no other reason than the smell and the self effects. I am extremely excited to see what 3 or 4 sprays may do and down the road to see what might happen mixing it with some none, A314, or Instant Openness. This seems like a very balanced product – like shine but smelling much better with perhaps some socials and something else that is outgoing in there that I can’t put my finger on. i don’t mean to say that it has shine “IN IT” – but its the closest product that I have tried that I could compare it to.

Stay tuned as I will be testing tomorrow. I will have to use ALL my willpower to keep from trying a A314 and Mix 273 mix – but I dedicate myself to testing this as a standalone FIRST!!!

I do have to say though – I miss A314 and I notice a slight difference without it.

Day 2
2 sprays of mix 273 over the course of a few hours
Nothing mixed with it
Location: work
Rating: 2

Noticed self effects again as I was very motivated. I was in a bit of a commanding and directive mood. Girls tried to play with me but I was all business. One girl tried to flirt with me and I wouldn’t have it. I was all business.

This was a lower dose than my first report and not as effective. My suspicion on this product is that it takes a good dousing in it to manifest clear effects on other people. It probably has a quantity thing going on with the pheromone count.

Day 3

Same as the last report except mixed with perception gel (which has never worked for me but I got in an order as a free sample – those that dont know it is suppose to have the big 3 pheromones in it with high ratios of Androsterone and Androstenol as compared to none and with a time release formula). I went out to play disc golf with my buddy. I also applied one drop of A314 as well.

Rating: 2

His behavior was pretty normal aside from the fact that he was very helpful and supportive and not as playfully confrontative as he usually is – very agreeable today. He seemed to be very supportive and wanted to hang out tonight too. He laughed at some shit I said that was not all that funny.

I’d say very subtle steering effects were present here.

Quick update:

I just applied 2 sprays P83 – it clearly smells like alcohol – this means it may be a placebo – we will see in time.

The P83 is mostly on my jawline but some of it is under my nose. I notice no fragrance and I notice no self effect. The Alter Ego is all over my arms and neck – I notice self effects from this product. It makes me feel like it’s SHOWTIME. I applied a full gel pack of Alter Ego though I dropped some of it on the floor because I am retarded.

Though I was only out for a very short period of time I did not notice any difference.

I’ve been a little bad about reporting tests lately, but today I tested P83 as a standalone. It was the first day of testing as a stand alone and I have also tested it with a shot of ammo, and tested the ammo WITHOUT it.

THe best day was the day where I was testing the ammo WITHOUT it. I started with a spray of ammo and when that wore off I added two more. I recieved more attention than the other two days and felt higher on the “likability” scale by a small margin.

Ironically the day with JUST P83 was a close second place. I spray a shot of it and then refresh. People seem to be a bit more impatient and rude and or emotional and or effected by my behavior when I wear P83 – however today I recieved several several hits. Nothing over the top – but strong eye contact and smiles from women.

There were 2 days that I wore BOTH ammo AND P83 my staff went pretty much all but out of control. People seemed to be doing whatever they wanted to do with almost a party atmosphere.

All of these tests were done to my neck. On the days I wore P83 AND ammo I covered the P83 with the ammo. All of these tests took place at work.

I have NOT concluded what P83 can do or if it’s really doing ANYTHING yet. My best guess so far would be that perhaps it works as an emotional enhancer – or to enhance the mood one is already in and add some urgency to it. Of course this can be both good AND bad. Whether there is any kind of a sexual or magnetic element to it is undetermined.

Ammo of course is pretty obvious with what it does, and basically what it does is it adds some attractiveness and impact to you in a very subtle nature.

On a side note I am COMPLETELY out of mix 273. I tested it some more in a mix over the weekend at a party but the mix was with several other products. TO me it seems like a complex mix that is most effective at higher doses and that it promotes a warm playful bond between two people on a subtle level. It’s a mix I will be trying again sometime soon and may even “feature” for my next order so I can REALLY test it out as it seems it has some potential – especially with some A314 or a shot of TUTH.

Almost forgot – my blog has been updated, I wrote up a lay report for my next to last lay in there and also finished up my 3 part congruence article:

MackWild-Uncensored

The discipline with which you are testing your products and the systematic way in which you are reporting should be model behavior for anyone posting on this forum. Great job.

Also–I just took the chance to read some of your blog posts. They are both entertaining and highly informative.

Thanks for the props man!

I tested out P83 AGAIN alone today and while I could try to FORCE some things, the things could just as easily have been coincidence. I took a cab today and NEITHER cab driver talked to me. No unusually flirty behavior from women really today either. A warmth was present again however in some of their smiles, but to say P83 gets you sexual HITS would be a bit of a stretch. I DID have a talk with some of my staff and they responded really well but other factors came into play. Today I was in good spirits and well motivated but I can’t really say the P83 did it. I mean the stuff smells like rubbing alcohol, has no scent to it, and whatever it does – if it’s doing ANYTHING – is extremely hard to detect or put together.

I applied 2 sprays this time, to my neck – and then 2 more as refreshers.

Overall I have applied this product 5 times. 3 of those times have been with other products. I have been at work, and out at a bar. I have noticed absolutely NONE of these effects that Tacticus or some others have mentioned as far as women being extra touchy feely or basically taking the lead. It has been very hard to determine what – if anything – it is doing. Probably the most difficult product I have tried as far as that goes. For something that is suppose to get the type of reactions that some people claim it can, I would say it definately doesn’t. Im definately closer to the “it does nothing” camp than I am to some of the outrageous claims on the puritive that some report.

I still have enough left to continue to test this. In fairness I have not “worked” any women while I have had P83 on – so that would probably be the next step.

Went out last night and applied 3 sprays of Ammo with 1 spray of turn up the heat. It was kind of a lame night for me but I had a girl I knew touching my chest and messing with my buttons – she seemed more aroused than normal but I wasn’t going to explore it. There was another girl I was talking to as well and when I clawed her into me she just melted into me and would put her head against me – it was very submissive.

I also got what I felt may have been a couple of OD reactions from some guys and some girls. You know – unexplainable unfriendlyness right out of the gate – though it definately wasn’t the theme of the night by any means. I noticed that some people were very much on the listening side and unable to contribute much verbally last night.

It will be interested to test this again in the future for sure. I did end up getting laid but this was a pre-established thing.

Also I have updated my blog recently, some of the more recent articles is a recent lay report, an article on approach anxiety, and my take on some of the more common methods that they teach online for meeting girls.

What happened to this guy?

I hope he comes back, because his reports are very informative…

All this pheromone stuff is quite incredible. I had no idea stuff like this even existed until now and i am literally falling out of my chair reading about some of the hits people are getting in terms of changing peoples moods. Quite incredible…

Peace