p83 questions
Is it good for younger guys?
If so: Being a younger guy, should I get the TO-GO bottle with higher concentration or a 30 mL bottle with the lower concentration?
Does it go well with CTTM2, IS, and IG? What are the most complementary pheros to p83?
Unscented or Neroli?
Search, is your friend 
http://www.pheromonetalk.com/search.php?searchid=275822
Im sorry for not searching but I just needed those specific answers. Can you direct me to a thread?
I tried the thread and it didn’t seem to go through.
I really like P83. It makes people more likely to act on impulse, including the wearer. Things with none like ammo or TUTH go very well with p83. the none product gives you the sexual feelings as long as you back it up with words, and the p83 brings it out in action.
p83 works great with those super shy asian girls too. as long as you do the legwork, they have much less LMR than Usual. Also chatting them up is easier. less reserved.
Check the women’s forum for effects on women. This one can backfire.
Diane
In most cases at the right dosage, Yes.
(seeing as OD factor is lower then -none)
B. (mine is 10mcg but even 5mcg should be ok)
1. Haven’t tried it yet. **2.**Hell yes. 3. same as #1.
IMO Unscented if mixing, No if using as a stand alone.
Well that’s the thing, if I direct you that means I had to search for you. There are MANY threads on P83. Many, many. I can give you a hint: Search for Steve and P83 
Your right about the thread not working, but its still easy enough to use the search function.
Good observations on P83 yourself. I love how p83 brings out the Sexy in shy girls. The more reserved, the more grrrr they have in there engines
Hmm, never heard that Diane! Can you fill me in on that. I’ve heard a few that made them overtly flirty when they wore it, but backfire? What do you mean? Like bad reaction 
I have not heard about it backfiring either. I am interested as well.
labramson1, Here is the thing…
P83 is a test putative. You test it and tell us what it does. Now the best way to test is to not look and see what it does before you get it and use it. Of course people dont do that LOL
The reason Steve dosnt just point you to one specific thread is because putatives can act different on different users. You really need to read all the posts on one molecule and look for the comman characteristics. No one person is right or wrong. This tells you something about how it will work for you. Keep in mind even single molecule mainstream mones like anol and anone slightly differ on each person but hold onto the main characteristics consistantly.
I really do stress that you should test it on its own and try not to read reports before hand. You can always tell who is posting a placebo effect because they assume a putative should act a certain way either from reading reports in the forum or from the charts that have been used by some members. The better and more accurate the feedback the better the future consumer products will be.
Tisha
Yes Tisha23 is right about that too.
When I first started testing putatives I knew it wasn’t going to be easy. I remember Jasmin twisting my arm to try out P83 and others. I was so content, with my Ammo, Ishine, IFM and IH. It was wonderful sweet bliss, in a simple world of mones and women. You can still find my original testing results in a thread called “Pretty Cool Results So Far”. I crack up at the silliness of myself and even then never took life to seriously. My goodness how I’ve progressed.
The point is I was a little timid thinking maybe that I wouldn’t get the same results as somebody else. Maybe my results would be no results at all, or I wouldn’t be socially aware enough to pick up on them. Keep in mind this is all WELL BEFORE I worked with Androtics.
I made a commitment to myself and Jasmin for all her service to me that I would do my best. I would only read the posts from other users after I personally tested the molecule out. There was one occasion I got absolutely nothing from an allegedly popular putative. Now I had no idea what this one was supposed to do, but after trying it for a week in varying stages. One to seven sprays I still got nothing. It was like it was pure BUNK. I decided to read up on it and surprisingly it was supposed to be great. Everybody loved it and here it was I got nothing.
Finally I called Jazzlicious to confirm my suspicions that testing putatives was not easy and I had not been successful. She was giggling and so happy that Jasmin, I can still hear her in my mind today. I was like what in the fluffy little clouds of heaven does this woman think is so funny? She had decided to slip me a “test placebo” just to see where I stood. Well I caught it dead on and ever since I will never forget Jasmin and her laugh.
Androtics might make a 7 pack of an MX and one of those MX just might be a bottle of SD40 waiting for a report on how its user won the Academy Award for Best Actor! You never know when P104 ships as a freebie for testing, 17 all legit and ready for actual reports and then you have three. Three what though?
Maybe I’m even making this entire post up as I go along 
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The thing is though, that P83 is tried and true. Androtics is not going to substitute a placebo for something you have paid for. However putatives by definition mean unknown. They have the potential of being a mone, but may not be. P83 in my book is a great replacement of -none without the aggressiveness. I would say -none = sexual aggressiveness, where as P83 = sensual flirting loving.
There are a lot of reports out there. Do yourself a favor, when it comes to putatives, test them and see what they do for you. Don’t read a report of someone who might just be practicing for that Oscar performance using a 5 mL to go of SD40.
Excellent post Steve, Thanks. I have been hit with the SD40 as well I believe. I didnt pay for it it was a freebie. As Steve said P83 is popular and if you pay for it thats what your getting.
I just wanted to add… Dont be afraid to say on the forum. This putative or Test mix is doing nothing for me. I used to hold back on those type posts cause I really do love Androtics and there consumers and didnt want to post negative feedback. Jasmin then explained to me thats its just as important to say I got nothing from it as it is to report the things you do see.
Tisha
“She’s evil, that Jasmin.” - SteveO
LMAO
Sitting here taking deep whiffs from my bottle of 5 mcg/spray P-83. Nothing so far.
10 minutes later: I feel like my eyes are itchy… and I usually feel like this when I am too tired to stay awake, but it’s not quite the same… some sort of effect… and my balance is off… and… kinda hard to focus…
Maybe I’m too tired for this experiment. lol
Yeah but we also don’t send those SD40 bottles to researchers tried and true. That means whatever you get CatLord, is the real deal, just like you.
I just bought a 30 mL bottle and will be sure to report back extensively and ASAP.
Cheers, everyone!
I find that P83 adds impetus to a mix, but it can have a short fuse. It can cause frustration to become intolerable. If you don’t plan on follow-through, leave it out… or use it in small amounts. Otherwise you might just get the desired reaction followed lightning fast by the opposite reaction.
This molecule has immense substance (at least for me) and that translates to a serious note towards concrete action. Intention is fine, but this molecule demands follow-through.
That is why I refered to this molecule as “Do me right now. Or leave me alone.” This isn’t a molecule I’d use for light romance or a come-hither. It is more of a If-you-tease-me-and-leave-me-hanging-I’ll-kick-you-in-the-teeth molecule. 
It might be great for TAH type girls, shy girls, but TAL girls…? How dangerously do you want to live?
Here’s a challenging mix: TAF, TAL, P79 and P83… 
:D!
A better mix might be: TAF, TAH, P79 and P83.
Diane
Very interesting there Diane. I will need to go back and read that report. I wonder if that’s only you reporting that, or if there are others? Personally from the threads I’ve read and authored, I have not heard of that reaction, but certainly not discounting it and very interesting observation.
Perhaps though, it is actually a self response on your behalf. From what I am reading you are saying that it gets you in the mood and if the person does not act upon it the “frustration” could revert to anger? To me frustration, especially while wearing a sensual mone like P83, is more sexual tension and if you are creating sexual tension then why on all things Pink and Squishy wouldn’t you act on it? In that sense maybe the guy needs to be kicked in the teeth!
In that sense would you say that P83 creates sexual frustration rather than sexual tension? Wow this could really be a DEEP new development 
P83 contributes in a big way to sexual tension. In itself it does not create sexual frustration. P83 gives a heavy forward momentum and solid visceral foundation. But it is such a solid molecule that other factors can ramp up the normally muted response to frustration.
Frustration is normal… after all, we can’t get what we want when we want it all the time, or even most of the time. Normally that feeling of frustration rears its head and is pretty easily soothed. But P83 is so solid its forward momentum is not so easily thwarted. Because of that, P83 can add a hair trigger response to normal frustration.
Yes, it is a self effect. P83 gives me an aggressive forward momentum that I don’t normally exhibit. But even without pheromones I am used to getting my way. I’m smart, I’m not usually impulsive, and I think before I decide what I want. I’m definitely a TAL kinda woman.
The response to P83 is probably different for more receptive/shy/TAH type girls. I can see where adding this much substance would be experienced differently in a normally receptive, non-aggressive person.
I’m working on 9 different versions of an Est/Meo-Est-based sensuality mix… some with varying ratios of P83 in the mix. And I LIKE P83, but the trick for me is to mute that hair trigger response without taking away P83’s other great qualities. Some of the mixes that don’t contain P83 are more for encouraging a more receptive intense experience. P83 kinda thwarts that because it adds so much here-and-now hungry intensity.
My ideal mix would have that element - the solidly visceral quality and hunger but also give intense receptivity and all the ramped up physical sensations and responses. I’m getting there, but it is a fine line, easily tilted one way or another.
It is all good, btw. I like my mixes that give me heavy forward momentum, desire and hunger. I’m liking my mixes that make me helpless to sensation. What I want is to get both those in one mix. It might not be possible, but I keep tweaking. I may replace P83 with Androstenone in a few mixes to see if that gives me what I want.
Diane
I was not trying to imply that I was sent SD-40 alone. lol I was doing an experiment with sniffing that molecule from the bottle when I came across the thread, and was way too tired to be making much sense.
Here’s a report I did on SteveO’s ICM 0.25.1b Mix. This mix contains quite a bit of P83, among other things.
So, here it is for what it’s worth.
Hope it helps some.
Bella
That is interesting Diane, You seem to be getting some unusual results with some of the molecules especially in the P80’s series.
I also have a strong alpha personality. I love P83 and use it alot and never seen any irritation, frustration or hair trigger reponses with it follow through or not. I agree, as you mentioned, it must be something in your chemistry that when meshed with the molecule causes that. Molecules will react slightly different on different personalities.
I love to use P83 in mixes simply because its sensual and erotic, it makes me feel like seducing. Others tend to display more, touch more, move in a sensual way when exposed. I also have found people lose inhibitions easily with this one. Yes I would agree its impetus. Have used it at a few parties with amazing results in that area. My husband reacts well to this one probably due to me being in a more seductive mood.
Funny you should mention this mix. I do have this one made up and I have a TAL personality and its one of my favorites. I agree this one can ramp up the sexual tension which I love. I feel a TAL girl can handle P83 better thn a TAH personality though.
Tisha
I started testing a new mix that contains a LOT of P83 compared to my other mixes. It also contains a small amount of P96 and a huge amount of P86. With just a touch of Androstenone (I made up some Dirty Sugar, LOL), I’m getting a very interesting and highly aphrodisiac effect with it, and no hair triggers, and no frustration. Okay, so this is just one run so I’m not ready to say for sure yet, but I think this mutha is gonna rock!
Funny thing about this new mix is I find zero sedating effects from the P86. It is energizing, not so sensual, but sexual as all get out. Whoa!
Diane