Help and Advice needed...P83 & TG?!?!

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Hi everyone – Im hoping that some of you can offer some advice, I know that many of you are super experienced and know what mixes well off the top of your heads…Im trying to get it all down but yikes@ Theres a lot, and lots of unknowns too!!

So I’ve been reading posts about P83 having disinhibiting qualities and am up for a new experiment! Heres the background (sorry theres lots but its pertinent, I think! Please don’t judge –Im not really an angel but there are reasons for it!)

I am 37 and married, on the verge of separation. My TG is 25, friends with both my husband and I our families are friends as well. (Im a young 37, hes an old 25 – age is NOT an issue whatsoever). Anyway, we’ve been on again off again since July of last year….everytime things go well he says he just cant continue, its wrong. Hes good. He doesn’t want to hurt my husband and he doesn’t want to hurt our families either. Lately we’ve been closer to ON (thanks EoW and IS/A?) but once again, he says it cant continue, it’s wrong. Problem is, its SOO not wrong, its completely right and everything else is wrong. Im ready to take the leap and do something for me once?! Anyway, I wouldn’t really call him alpha, except when he’s playing his sport, in which he’s always better than the rest of his team and can yell and be a bit of a bully on the field. Otherwise, he’s quietish unless he knows you, shy, not super masculine (except for the amazing body lol). It seems to me that I have better results with him when wearing IS/A, than IS/B - or it could very well be my self effects (LOVE IS/A, I feel awesome!!). EoW doesn’t hurt either, that tends to heat things up a little. I’m always dabbling with IS or IH too…they seem ok. And on occasion I douse myself with P86 in the hopes that I appear super attractive, lol. The problem is, and Diane reminds me of this lots! is that the pheros aren’t going to make him do what he wouldn’t ordinarily, (though they have on occasion!!). So Im looking to inject some P83 and let him not worry about things so much…just to know that he continues to be interested and isn’t moving on is what I need right now. Oh and I should mention that he lives in our house in a sort of apt on his own, though eats dinner etc. with us – lots of EoW at the dinner table and watching TV!! haha

Here are my thoughts, Id like:

-P83 to disinhibit him a bit
-P86 to appear attractive
-EoW or some Cops to help with the turning on!
-Some EST or MEO-EST so he feels protective to /connected of me and bonded??
-So what else? IS/A? IS/B? I don’t know if hes an alpha! I don’t think his previous GFs have been super dominant though – more the girly type. Maybe that’s what he likes about me? He once said he liked how I seemed really professional and important at work but then was a kid inside (read: have his 12 yr old humor).
-lol P103? or is it P102 for lots of kissing (jk! I know thats not what its about, wouldnt hurt though!)

Im worried about layering on mixes like CTTM because I don’t know whats in them and don’t want to negate or overdo any specific compound.
Help?!??

Also, if I wear EoW all the time around him will the effects come to wear off? Will the cops no longer to raise testosterone, or will he begin to associate any feelings of arousal with me for a longer period? Anyone know?!?! How long does the testosterone level rise for ?? I try not to wear cops before he’ll be with attractive 20 somethings, lol. Don’t want to send him out ready to go!

sorry for the long post, everyone~
hope youre all well out there in pheroland!

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Very interesting post! I can’t help with advice (I’m a newbie unfortunately) but I reckon the suggested list sounds like it has alot of potential… I’m very keen to see what the forum/mone veterans think.

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Me too and Ill keep you posted! Im a newbie too :slight_smile: Dont you love androtics?

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Xiphoid, I see youre from the UK…so is my TG! Any hints on English boys?

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LOL I’m not the right person to ask…I don’t get the British men myself, wish I did though :smiley: I’ve only been in the UK for 4 years actually & still working on figuring the blokes out…:roll_eyes:

I’m Swedish but I’ve lived all over the world, so far I found Aussie blokes & southern guys (I lived in SC when I was in my 20’s) the easiest to approach I entice…

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Hahaha -They can be quite annoying, no? Though completely adorable…even without the accent they would be!

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Couple of things. First a reminder that the Putatives affect different people differently.

I’ve been testing P83 in my sensuality mixes to see if it would give some forward momentum to my husband in place of Androstenone, which he doesn’t tolerate well. And I just want to address the P83 issue here with a little warning about what I’ve seen about its ‘disinhibiting’ and other characteristics.

I haven’t found this molecule to loosen up anything, so you may want to try something along the lines of P103 which is much lighter in feel and definitely disinhibiting – and happy.

What I have found to be consistently true of P83 is that my husband is pissy, bitchy, easily angered, easily frustrated, and less loving when I’m wearing P83, even if I’m wearing a ton of Est.

I also find that my frustration tolerance goes way down with this molecule, and I find myself angry and frustrated over something every time I wear it, unless I am in a low- to no-distraction environment.

For me and my husband P83 has been the “Nothing is good enough…” molecule. It has forward momentum, yes, in that you want what you want, when you want it. But it doesn’t have any patience at all. And even after mind-blowing sex, my husband is pissed off and dissatisfied with something. I don’t see this with any other pheromone or Putative I’ve tried, or with no pheromones, actually. Who is pissed off immediately following good sex? I mean, really!

At the moment, I really don’t like this molecule for sensual encounters. I’m still testing P83 and probably will be for some time to come. It has some nice masculine physical characteristics, and a huge rootedness to it. But until I can find something to buffer the irritation factor, I probably won’t be using it in my mixes. I have lots of other molecules that do what I want without the frustration factor of this one.

If you don’t like entitlement, irritation, and expressions of frustration, you might want to give this a pass.

If you do decide to try it, please report what you discover.

Diane

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Thanks Diane! I was hoping you’d post some of your infinite wisdom :slight_smile: Your reactions with P83 sound like mine to P79! At least in terms of self effects, I become easily angered, frustrated, even can have a crying spell - Im much less in control of my emotions than without it.

I do have P103 but to be honest, I was thinking about it today and given what Ive read was worried it’d make me hungry and overeat! Probably silly. I suppose I should try both of them out on their own -P83 and 103 - but with what??

Thanks so much! Hope youre doing well today!

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Now on to the rest of your list:

P86 is a good choice for that little bit of added glamour. Everyone looks more attractive with this one.

EOW - The reports out are that LS’s latest version of EOW is off and doesn’t work. Androtics is working on a copulin formula… we can all hope it comes out soon. There are some other cops formulas, like Pherone’s W-1, but I haven’t read many reports on it yet. I may give it a try. Copulins aren’t pheromones, exactly. Rather they are a combination of long-chain fatty acids found in a woman’s vagina. Some women, termed producers produce more of these during ovulation. It is the scent of the copulins, rather than any pheromone activity that is attractive to males. I’ve even heard that dabbing a little vinegar behind your ears has the same effect. I haven’t tested that theory out yet.

Est - It will make your TG cuddly and loving and touchy-feely, and protective. It will make your husband that way also.

P102 hasn’t shown itself to promote kissing in my husband, and according to Warren there is a dose dependent factor there. I haven’t found the sweet spot yet. Too much and I get hungry for food. Lower doses seem to provide mid-body relaxation and butterflies in the tummy.

CTTM is 50% Alpha and 50% Beta Androstenol. Instant Openness is 70% Alpha and 30% Beta Androstenol. Instant Honesty is 30% Alpha and 70% Beta Androstenol. Wearing 1 spray of Instant Honesty and 1 spray Instant Openness is the same as wearing 2 sprays of CTTM.

Androtics products can be layered. But too much and you risk a ghosting effect, where your pheromone signature overwhelms your target and you end up being ignored. That is why it is important to test out the products slowly and build up to your own personal sweet spot for them. Always start with one product, test it first at 1 spray, then 2, ect. Then switch to a new product, test it… ect., before you begin layering. Otherwise you risk being just a muddy mess, and see no effects!

Diane

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To test a Putative you should wear it alone for at least a few days - up to a week, start with one spray and note the self effects over time. Notice if people around you act differently, and if so, how. The next day either try the same amount or try 2 sprays and notice self effects, effect on others, ect. You can go back to an earlier smaller amount of sprays and see if you get the same reactions as you did before. What is important is that you keep a detailed journal of dosage of the Putative, self effects, and effects on others. Also keep track of any factors that might be influencing the effects, like your cycle or being upset, or whatever. That way you aren’t guessing about what effects this particular Putative is doing for you.

In my journal I always note the time, what dosage I’m wearing, self effects, and then fill in on the effects on others. If a pheromone takes time to kick in for self effect, I note the time this occurs. I also note whether I’ve just showered before application or not, and I keep a journal every day. I also note what days I am pheromone free. My journal is also kind of like a diary so I do a lot of recording of things that might not be pheromone associated. But I’ve found that going back I can see patterns of behavior and reactions in myself that are consistent with certain pheromone usage. Going back over my journal has given me more information that I could have imagined.

P102 is the hunger maker, not P103. P103 is a happy, hypnotic disinhibitor. A little goes a long way.

P79 is the wild card Putative. It will take you wherever you are going - at the speed of light. And it changes direction so fast it will make your head spin. I’m still testing this one. I’m a Gemini, so I like that changeability and chaos factor… just still not quite sure what to do with this one. If you could control your environment to filter out any unpleasant surprises, this would be one very nice molecule. It’s a roller coaster!

Diane

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Okay, I think Ill go with P86, CTTM, EST, and some Cops…and maybe test it with the 103 first then P83 just to see…lots of testing to do, I guess, Im not sure I know my sweet spot for all these yet!
I have the latest EoW and I have nothing to compare it to, I never bought any of the ‘good batch’! I do know that I need a TON, like 18 drops or so…luckily it doesnt smell as bad on me after it dries down and I of course went for the pink sugar days after signing into the forum! But still it feels weird to use to much. Is it the same manufacturer of Scent of Eros, I wonder? I have come gel packs…I wonder if that would be more effective for Cops…but then I might have to lay off some a-nol, right? So much to try, so little time!

Diane I also have TAC and TAF - think either of those would help?
Isnt there a putative to make cops more copsy?? : )

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Scent of Eros is also produced by Stone Labs. It was created by JV Kohl. Scent of Eros contains Alpha Androstenol and Androsterone in a ratio of 4:1. I haven’t seen it stated that Scent of Eros for Women contains copulins, but the description sounds like it may. You may want to PM JVKohl here on the forum and see if he will answer that question for you.

If you go for the newbie phero-baptism, you risk ghosting. We’ve all done it at least once. But I’m going to encourage you to go slow, again. Test one thing at a time.

Diane

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Why did I think SOE had cops in it?? Thanks for pointing that out!
I know, youre right - patience is a virtue, especially with expensive chemicals! I just have none, I want it all to work right now! But I want to get it right, so Ill start playing and report back :slight_smile:
Based on what I know of me so far…Ill start out with:
P86 - 4 SPRAYS
EST - TBD
EOW - DEAR GOD, 18 DROPS OR SO
CTTM - 5 SPRAYS x2
+/- P83 & 103 - TBD!

Anything seem wrong with this as it is so far?
THANK YOU!!

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Yeah, This is a ton of untested products and Putatives. If you have a bad reaction or ghosting you won’t know what caused it.

Try something like this instead:

Day 1: 1 spray CTTM X2
Day 2: 1 spray CTTM X2, cops
Day 3: 1 spray P86
Day 4: 1 sprays P86, cops
Day 5: 1 spray Est
Day 6: 1 spray Est, cops
Day 7: 1 spray P103
Day 8: 1 spray P103, cops
Day 9: 1 spray P83
Day 10: 1 spray P83, cops
Day 11: 2 sprays P83
Day 12: 2 sprays P83, cops
Day 13: 1 spray CTTM, 1 spray P86
Day 14: 1 sprays CTTM, 1 spray P86, cops
Day 15: 1 spray P86, 1 spray CTTM
Day 16: 1 spray P86, 1 spray CTTM, cops
Day 17: 1 spray Est, 1 spray P86
Day 18: 1 spray Est, 1 spray P86, cops

Etc.

The point is you want a solid feel for what each thing does before you begin layering on products. Take your time. You will waste less product, get a handle on what each does for you, and avoid being ghosted. As a general rule I test each new product, Putative, Test Mix, pheromone for at least 3 days before I begin layering or playing with it. A full week is better.

The few times I’ve started playing with layering before I’ve fully tested, I’ve had to go back and test that molecule by itself every single time to characterize it and figure out what it was doing. It saves time and money to just test the damned thing in the beginning.

Diane

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Thanks Diane! Im used to the Cops and CTTM together, so maybe Ill start from there. I wish they could all be tested in 5 minute intervals!

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That would be nice… some things I’ve found take 2 days to wear off even with showering. P74 is one of those… it just keeps on going. The pheromone is gone… the self-effects stay.

Diane

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Diane’s advice is great, so please dont get me wrong, as she mentioned you need to test it on its own because it can be different on some users. This molecule has been extensively tested and been around a while. I have to mention that myself and about 95% of the successful users have reported the lose of inhibitions with P83. I have seen very few adverse effects or reports of adverse effect with it. This is not to say Diane is wrong. But her husbands reaction is unusual with this one.

I have used P83 in my mixes and on its own for almost 2 years now. I have spent alot of time compiling data online and off on this molecule. While putatives can be different on different people a general pattern is formed from all accumilated testing results.

Results show its…

Sexual in nature
A disinhibitor
Increased peacoking in both male and females
Increased touching
sensual movement
Increased desire
Seductive behavior
I would agree with Diane and add to the data Forward momentum

I never fail to get a sexual reaction from my husband with this. When I wear it out I get hits of a sexual nature and men tend to peacock to try to gain my attention more. Loss of inhibition… I have seen with my husband and when used at more then one social gathering. He has observed this as well. Last hot tub party was a hoot LOL

This is my favorite molecule :wink:

SOE for women does have cops in it, not as much as most women would like but its there. Yes James has comfirmed this.

Tisha

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Tish just hit the nail, and I agree with everything she said. Each user may have different results. I personally love p83, hell, I would buy this stuff in gallons if I was rich lol! it makes people more touchy than usual. I’ve had teachers, even being all lovey-dovey lol, :smiley: People seem to poke me, flip my ponytail and stuff like that, it’s pretty fun. So I bet it would be hot with your love bug lol :stuck_out_tongue: But this is my experience, who knows you might get the same reaction too!

If you’re not sure on whether you might like it, get it in a to-go bottle @10 or 12.5 mcg :wink: and start with a few sprays and use more when you feel like you need to so you know your perfect dosage

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Tish is absolutely right, which is why I kept trying with this molecule and haven’t given up on it yet. And my husband also has a bad reaction to Androstenone even in small doses, as do I… Most men don’t react badly to small doses of Androstenone. So as will all Putatives… test, test, test… and then test some more.

Diane

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I’d agree with Tisha about P83. Not that she needs my validation – she’s used it more than I have. What I have dicovered is that it is not only sexual in nature. It will disinhibit other things. In a high anxiety situation, it will amp up those negative feelings as well!

I love P86. I use 50mcg P86 to 10mcg P83. I also add 10mcg P87 which Diane hates. My caution about P86 is that it has strong sedative properties. I need a double latte in order to maintain a good conversation on P86. But it is worth it because it makes women look so beautiful! Apparently, not everyone notices this sedative effect.

And P103… one of the strongest, most relaible effects I’ve noticed. I love it, but it makes you stupid! It completly destroys my ability to do simple math. I mean I get lost counting to three. When I wear it shopping, cashiers cannot make change accurately.

I think MEO-EST is very good with many of the things you have discussed in this thread. As is TAF. I would limit the TAF to five or 6mcg. Diane would probably like more.

Much of what has been discussed so far seems to be more of a sensuality mix than a bonding mix. In the sensuality department, the one thing that Diane and I both like, which has not been discussed, is P80 (about 7.5mcg). Tisha is concerned that on a woman it might make her seem masculine.

In terms of bonding, the most powerful thing I can think of is adding plenty of Instant Honesty to P86 and some of the other pheros we’ve discussed. Diane loves TAC for sensuality. I think TAA (Instant Shine) is better for bonding – at the dinner table, for example. Many of us (including me) find that TAA (Instant Shine) and TAC do NOT play well together.

I am not quite as patient and methodical as Diane, but I would say wear any new mix out in public a couple of times before testing it on your target. These things never quite act the way you expect them to. Sometimes you get quite the opposite of what you want!