I agree with Tisha, Selva, and Warren re: P83. I’ve not seen any negative effects with it at all. In fact, I think the P83:P86 combo is one of the best mixes to be had around here! Do keep Diane’s experience in mind, though. As everyone else has mentioned, every person is different and will react to things in unexpected ways.
I would go so far as to recommend TAA and betanol for bonding over Instant Honesty, but that has been my experience. I know other people have seen some depressant effect from too much straight betanol.
I haven’t seen any ramped up feelings, but more expressions of frustration with P83 in my mixes, but that can be a combination of factors. As I said, I’m going back to the drawing board on this molecule.
I absolutely love its deep-rooted feel when it is worn alone with TAF. When I wore it with TAC it was deeply rooting, centering, calm and relaxing. I’d love to try this mix with meditation.
I’ve read that guys wearing P83 with P79 are just about guaranteed to get jumped by women.
When I did an initial testing of P107, after about 6 hours I had so much upper body tension it was really uncomfortable. I sprayed on 12.5 mcg P83 and it brought the tension levels down and was somewhat calming on the jitteryness I was feeling. It didn’t help the sleeplessness I got from P107, but I felt better.
I feel P83 has a masculine feel to it, but it seems it will bring out something different depending on what it is worn with, and that seems odd for such a strong characteristic-bearing molecule, like P83. So, I’m back to the drawing board with P83, and planning on taking it away from meo-est and beta Androstenol, and the others, and trying it alone again and in combination with other pheromones and putatives two by two.
Yes, I don’t find P86 sedating, but I do see the beauty this molecule seems to bring to the surface in people. I’ve got a hypothesis about this one… still testing it out.
What is the lowest dosage of this you’ve tested? Do you ever get the mid-body relaxation and pleasurable butterfly effects I get with this? This is one of my two favorite activators for Meo-Est/TAF, turning slow sensuality into pure body pleasure.
Of note: Men who have tested Meo-Est haven’t found Meo-Est to be sensual as a general rule. There is so little written about Meo-Est on the guy’s side that it is hard to pin down what this molecule does for them. Some women, like myself, find Meo-Est extremely sensual. In the right combination, I find it also very sexual.
I wear up to 60.0 mcg TAF, but usually keep it to around 20.0 mcg or less these days. If a mix seems to be getting tired, 10.0 mcg TAF on top usually wakes it up again. From what I’ve read, most people find that too much TAF can be distracting. I have the opposite reaction, finding it mutes down too much distraction and allows me to focus. I also find it has synergy with just about everything I’ve tried it with, so a little of the test molecule goes a very long way. Without TAF I have to mega-dose to find the same effects that minuscule to small amounts provide.
Yeah, be careful with that one. P80 is a heavily-masculine feeling molecule that has powerful effects. I’ve been testing 5.0 - 10.0 mcg P80 in a complex mix for a few days, and will continue this weekend, into next week. I’m getting used to this molecule very rapidly, so I’ve got one test mix I’ll start using next week where I’ll be testing wearing 20.0 mcg.
Alone or with TAF P80 has some very warlike passionate and aggressive characteristics. In a mix that also has Meo-Est, Est, Beta Androstenol, P102 and P103, and TAC it is very exciting, and intensely sexually stimulating. It is an aggressive molecule. This is from my P80 test mix notes: *"… *I don’t necessarily want to have sex, but my husband is on the computer next to me, and he just sighed/growled and I want to make him do that more… P80 is power… "
– It was more of a sexual power-trip kind of feeling, which is unusual for me. I was wearing 10.0 mcg P80 in a complex mix. P80 in this mix makes also my husband sexually aggressive. And it seems to have some very interesting physical properties with him, like making my touches and kisses send ripples of pleasure through him. He hasn’t shown this response with any other pheromone product or Putative. But I don’t know if it was the P80 alone, or the combination of P80 with TAC or something else in the mix.
I’ll second that one… but I’d add that the super bad reactions I got were worse with TAA/P74 and TAC. TAA and TAC together were bad. TAA/P74 and TAC made me want to stop testing pheromones and putatives all together. It was that bad - worst reaction I ever experienced.
Yes I have there whole line. I like it. Cant say its my favorite but then again I am Phero spoiled LOL Jasmins fault .
There not a bad company although alot of the information on the site was illegally plagiarized from Michael I believe.
W-9, is their pure cops. I need to use alot more to equal the effect of EOW or the cops here.
I like W-1, I believe its a mix of cops and anol.
V-5 is ok, didnt do much for me Supposed to make women feel happy and comfortable. Sound familiar LOL IFM doesn’t do anything for me either but my friends swear by it. Must be a chemistry or personality thing.
It could be something your using that doesn’t mesh well with it. Or maybe it doesn’t mesh well with you. There are other putatives I hate that dont mesh with me and other people love them. Since your sensuality formula is specifically designed to fit you and your needs use what works in it for you. Dont feel you have to force a molecule to do what it does for others. I would still test it though.
I agree I feel its masculine to. I feel self effects more strongly with this one and although it does work on men I feel it could be partly from the way it makes me behave but I have defiantly seen some exciting reactions from it..
When I use it I feel seductive. I move seductively. I flirt more and I was pretty flirty to begin with so you can imagine LOL I think the men react to that. I do hold it back when out testing in the general public though. (sometimes its hard ) What I see most from others is displaying or peacocking. I have had men come up to me and show me body parts. Not their “tackle box” but abs and and alot of flexing and muscle showing. I tend to get,what I call bumped more by men and women. By this I mean when someone comes close to you for some reason like to get something and they get in your space till certain body parts touch.
I find it works exceptionally well in a social atmosphere as opposed to work or going about your daily activities where people keep behavior in check more.
My friend has a hot tub and we have parties there alot. Without P83 people hang around it and put there hands in the water. We could not convince them to come in. 2 times we tested what would happen with P83 and we sprayed it on both of us. Hung around them for a while. People striped right on the deck and got in. These are the same people who felt inhibited before we used it.
I laughed so hard the first time we did it because when I went in to get it my husband asked what I was doing. So I told him and he rolled his eyes and said “sure spray a little stinky stuff, that will make them all get naked and jump in” . He was being sarcastic. Boy was he shocked. LOL All the way home he said I cant believe what I just saw.
The only time I have seen my husband get uptight around it is when we are in a situation where we cant be intimate. Then he gets annoyed and pushy cause he wants to go home LOL
I find I get these reactions consistently not matter what I wear it with although the general mood will vary a little
Keep testing it and if it dosnt mesh with you then use what does mesh with you in your sensuality mix.
Thanks SO much everyone!! Lots of good info, I just wish everything was tested by itself and in combination already and results were the same for everyone!! lol.
TG is in tonight and Ill be getting him at the airport at midnight or so. I obviously haven’t had the chance to be methodical so Im going to go with what I know has been ok in the past – cross your fingers for me! Ill report back…
Heres the plan P83, P86M P103, EST, Cops and still deciding on the –nols, may go with IH per Warren’s recommendation. I know its a lot and might backfire – I’m just desperate at the moment as we had a blowup this morning and Im sure some of it was related to our ridiculous situation. Wish me luck!!
Oh dear! Just reading more posts about MX 274. Whats in it? Dare I add that to my already overcomplicated ghost-inducing mix thats totally an experiment in an already important situation? lol
Prob not!?
ah! THANK YOU!
decided to not…too much already!
Diane, do you know if I mix my magic love potion in its own bottle, can I put the EST and cops in there as well? Or will they be ‘altered’??
I know this is late, but still I think I need to say this: You have got GREAT advice from everybody. I believe it is awesome when others spend so much time offering suggestions and opinions. Makes my heart aflutter
Personally I think you are depending too much on mones and not enough on the root of the problem. Go simple girl, wear one or two things, maybe a social and a sensual and rely more on yourself. I am confident you can make it happen.
Awwww thanks Steve! What a sweetie! Youre right I have gotten LOTS of advice and thats why I love androtics so much - and all the members - everyone is wonderful!!!
Not to worry! I know its 99% about me…but Im all for making the most of the other 1%, or 5%, or whatever it might be! My grad background is in neuroscience so I dont need to be convinced that pheros can help! Just need time to figure out what goes with what and what works for me. Unfortunately, when it comes to TG I am tired of waiting. Actually - revelation! I know he’s already attracted to me, its just a matter of the situation. Pheros arent going to help that, only I can! But I need to keep his interest while I get my — together and do something about it!
Thanks for your sweet words! Also Im freaked out because you look JUST like my neighbor, who i love!! Ill bet you have the same great personality too!
Operation TG Mix Report - are you all ready for the longest post ever??
Hi everyone and thanks SOO much for all of your advice with what I should use! Heres what I ended up going with:
My standard 18-20 drops of crap batch EoW, dried down and covered in pink sugar..before I left the house. Right before I got to the airport I applied ALL of my mix, which was:
• a BIT of p86 (all I had left, about 2 mls of a togo spray) To that bottle I added
• 1.25 mls EST – trying to match Diane’s upper level of 125 mcg, but I think I WAY overdid it to the tune of 10 times more? Or no? 1 mcg = .01 mg, right? I hope!
• 5 sprays P83
• 5 sprays P103
• 4 sprays IH
Seems like a lot, but from the responses I got, it was just right….though it worked a little TOO well. I felt stalked!! I cant tell you how many heads turned and followed me…I actually began to feel uncomfortable. Granted, I did the shower before I left the house and spent an hour on hair and makeup routine, and I think Im a bit better than average looking, but I felt like a supermodel! Men would stop in midsentence as I approached and follow me with their eyes til at least I walked past…it was AMAZING. I can think of at least 5 off the top of my head that did so.
Of course, and maybe this is because of what Warren warned about the P103 making you stupid, I initially parked at and went to the wrong terminal. Trust me this is NOT something you want to do at Logan airport. So after standing around and realizing, ‘hey his flight isn’t on the arrivals screen’ and rechecking his txt, I realized I had wrong airline, wrong terminal. DUH!!! So instead of going back to the car, I walked between terminals – which is also something you don’t want to do at Logan! Long long barren hallway at 12:30 am with no one around…so finally I arrived at his baggage claim, 5 min before he did. Im not going to say he jumped me or immediately professed his undying eternal love for me, but there was definitely a ton of chemistry going on. No hug or anything (I didn’t initiate and neither did he, we both try to be aloof all the time, at least in public, but he stood really close and we held eye contact and started chatting for what seemed like ever. Then I decided to find the car while he got his bags…THEN the poor thing had an hour ride home in my phero clouded car! lol.
About 5 minutes after he got in, he was telling a story about a friend who he thinks has manlove for him, and demonstrated how close he sits to him – so he basically sat on my lap for a bit til I pushed him off acting like he was a pain in the rear. He talked non stop all the way home about his trip, this and that, very talkative. At this point I was trying to act removed and uninterested, just tired and annoyed about the whole terminal thing. Injecting a bit of Im not 100% here for you…you know, girls! Then we got home and played pool and chatted til 4:00 am. A bit of txting and I passed out So nothing major but a really good rapport and feeling of connectedness, which is really what I wanted.
OH and I forgot! So when finding the car I backtracked through the long barren hallway – and noticed in the window reflection that a guy was behind me. Trying to be smart, I put my key between my fingers and remembered I had my hooker boots on lol. Seriously, there was just two of us and I got a weird feeling. So I stopped against the wall and pretended to be talking on my phone so the guy would have to be in front of me. Check this out! He walked about 10-15 feet, stopped, looked around, pretended to be lost (who knows, maybe he really was?!) and went back to from whence he came!! STALKED!
LAST NIGHT, I wore the mix again…minus the P86 (hey, I felt hot enough! plus Im OUT!) We were at a restaurant with the family and were just really close, on the same wavelength….totally connected, it was nice. Afterwards we came home and played about 20 games of pool, I know he was exhausted but we played quite a bit. No moves on anyones part, then after I went to bed at 1:30, we txted til 4. I hinted at a rendezvous but left it open and as though I could have meant anything – and after the initial LOL responses, he was up for it! Said he needed a snack, could I bring it down to him lol. I didn’t
So tonight hes in and out, Ill see what happens….trying to give him distance though! Anyway, things are good…ok. I know for a fact theres a 20 something he may be interested in, so Im hoping my stalk me mix gives me the upper hand!! lol. Ill keep you all posted – I hope a few of you try it and let me know what your results are!
On second thought, I might call this the magnetic mix!! It felt like we were just magnetized - in a social AND understated sexual way…lol or it could have been me! I wonder if it was the IH??
Reps to ya, Frances… hey I need to find my own equivalent to your mix, so as I can get some of that attention from women when I’m out (I think mine might involve a substantial amount of A1)…
Oh dear, thats so bad…but maybe not, whatever I did, it did something!!!
I also thought my concentration was 1/3 what it was…so I SERIOUSLY OD’d. Well, maybe I found something?! Dont know what!
Would you believe I used to work in a pharmacology lab? Granted, long ago - must have been that darned P103 dumbing me down!!
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