…okay, I am very new with this, but have been experimenting here and there, so here goes. This is what I tried out for the first time, but have had no problems with other combos involving much of the same items:
8 drops EOW on various points (neck, wrists, back of neck, clevage, inside elbows)
6 drops Primal Instinct
3 sprays (12.5) IS/B to chest, back of neck and wrists
3 sprays P83 same areas
3 sprays MX135 to hair, chest and wrists
I got two “What is that SMELL”?!? (not on a complimentary note either) from a couple of men who were standing in my general area. Obviously, something went south, but what? Thanks in advance for any input.
Personally, I was fine, just the couple of guys. Didn’t seem to have any effect one way or the other with the nearby ladies…
No, just the first time with this particular combination. Now, I’ve not tried P83 alone (mainly, because I’ve read it merely enhances something else). Nor have I tried the cops alone because of the smell. Now, I HAVE read something somewhere about older females needing more in the way of cops than younger ones, hence the upped amount. Also, I’ve tried the EOW and Primal Instinct together (through reading another post…not sure now whether I just misunderstood what was being said) with P83, Shine and IS/A.
Positively, more smiles, looks etc…with the other combinations. Albeit, I used more in the way of cops this time around. I actually let the cops dry down about 15 minutes before applying the rest of it…
Interesting…A lot of sprays, but you did say older women do need more sprays, which I’m assuming your an older women.
What I’d like to know is what time of day/night you used it and what places you went to when you were using this. That might help us understand why you didn’t get a lot of hits whether it was due to less people or people needing to be focused.
Okay… I’ll take a crack at it, since I’ve done some damage before as well…
You said you let the EoW dry down. Good. Did it stay dry? Did it get wet again with the other pheros sprayed on top? Did you cover it with another scent? I’ve worn Eow with no cover and it dried down to nothing, and Ive worn it on a wet, rainy day where I couldn’t get away from the smell no matter what!
3 sprays MX135 & 3 sprays Is/B = TAH overload! What’s your “normal” personality like? I see these are your two first posts, so there’s no info on you in the intro section. Are you a naturally dominant woman? Are you naturally girly? This will help you find a starting point for the TAH/TAL. There’s a lot more to it than that, and some subtle psychology to what you want to wear and when/why, but! Regardless, 6 sprays of TAH containing stuff is ri-damn-diculous! You most likely OD’d and ghosted to those around you. They didn’t even recognize you were there.
More is not always better.
I also agree with Lor, the wiseest of the Wise (go read her journal for a peek into her brilliance) - IS/a and b are set and golden on their own. They can be augmented slightly with socials, but really - they are commercial products and all set to be used independently. That’s why they are recommended for first ime users independently. They come fully functioning!
P83 - What were you trying to go for? Research suggests its a disinhibitor, but that’s only what SOME users have reported. It’s repeated again and again on this forum - you must test it on yourself to see your own effects and know what you’ll get with that particular molecule. We are ALL different. I am not reacting the same way to p86 that many others are. Nor TAF. If you were to base your mixes off of what you read in my posts, you’d most likely see totally different reactions for yourself.
Further, the experimentals and putatives are fickle and subtle - you have to really look for & be self aware of phero effects on your person, in addition to recognizing effects with others. Once you know, after thorough testing, then you can start mixing it up.
From what you posted, it looks like you were hoping for some sexy-time. Lots of EoW, lots of sexy IS/b (which has cops) and MX135 for superstar quality, and a supposed disinhibitor on top of that! Girl, these men should cry rape if you get one of them!
Start again slowly - If you have Instant Shine, throw some of that one (2-3 sprays max, but try to find your dosage over time) and a few sprays of IS/b. Again, try to find your doasge over time - I understand the rush to phero bomb, but it’s much much more rewarding to KNOW exactly how much you need for that exact effect. Otherwise, you are WASTING YOUR MONEY and your product on nights like this one. Bet you want those 8 drops of EoW back, huh? and 3 sprays MX135? Yeap!
Start slow - work up. Start with the socials. Social lubrication is often much, much more powerful than an overtly sexy mix. Who doesn’t want to be with the smiling, happy, confident, Shine-y girl? Once you have that down, sex it up with some Cops. Have some fun, girl. That’s what all this is for. But do it slowly, controlled. It pays off MUCH MORE in the end. I promise.
Edit - You also said you were fine. Now, granted, I don’t get self effects from the Cops either, but with that much TAH and p83 floating around, you should have felt SOME self effects?? That’s also a bit … erm, strange. Can you expand on possible self-effects, please?
Do you think you smelled bad? Generally when I use a phero that stinks, I’m not immune to it and get a little self conscious.
Are you sure the guys weren’t honestly referring to something else?
I know you say you’ve tried these things out before, but without some other background reports, it’s hard to say what the problem was other than phero-overload.
True - But I am using the new batch too, and its worked for me so far. Again, individual difference and all that.. but it’s not as bad as I think it was made out on the forum. It still works.
Yeah, before that, you could bathe in it and not see much. I have a bottle from this batch that has been sitting in a drawer untouched. I should break it out and see if it has ripened with age.
I also have a bottle of EoW oil that was riper than a pile of rotting fish doused in parmesan cheese sitting in the sun. That one also gave me absolutamente nada.
Gross! I have had nothing but success with this bottle. It’s been really great actually. Hopefully the problem has been fixed…? Or they heard the riots and saw the villagers coming with the pitchforks and torches and wisely nudged the mix back towards its original formulation…
I think Diane got all huffed up and was going to make her own chemical variety. If she’s serious, I’m totally backing her up with support and as much loose change as I can throw her way. She blew me away with those posts of her detailing the intricacies of cops! Utterly astounding!
To Everyone who replied…first of all, thank you all so much for your responses. Yep, I AM a bit on the older side (47). My climate is warm all year round, so thank goodness it seemed to wear off rather quickly. It was early evening, in a not so crowded outdoor setting. I didn’t think I smelled awful, but then neither did my husband (or if he did, he didn’t say). Yes, I was trying to go for the sexy sort of thing, but it didn’t do much for my sweetheart, I guess. The EOW is part of the new batch, I guess (I got it a couple of weeks ago). I have worn it before and seemed to be okay with it.
Am not sure whether it got wet after applying the other sprays…although it certainly was humid and raining off and on.
Well, I guess it could have been something else, but I thought it was just too coincidental and they were pretty close…within 3-4 feet. Plus, no one else seemed to pick up on it.
Let’s see, I have IS/A and B, Instant Shine, Instant Honesty, MEO-est, TAA TAF, MX135, MX274, P83, EOW, Primal Instinct, CTTM, TAH…I believe that is about it. I have EST on order.
My personality is pretty happy and sunny, not at all on the Alpha side (but my male supervisor would contend otherwise..thinks I like to control things around me a bit). My husband doesn’t think I am controlling unless it comes to the kids. I can be fairly opinionated, but not inflexible.
Will have to go through all of your nice warm responses and try to make some heads/tails of it, with all of your help of course! Right now, I just feel like I should go and sit in the corner and color like a good little dumbass (I am feeling just a wee bit on the foolish side).
You most likely OD’d and ghosted to those around you. They didn’t even recognize you were there.
Apologies. Mine is from January 09. Works well!