So a month back, I bought four products from AD. I bought IO, IH, IS, and IG (all at normal 1x strength) and spent several weeks experimenting with them. I tried each of them separately a week, respectively, tried comboing several of them, experimented with how much to put on, even tried OD’ing with them (although I’ve heard OD’ing is almost impossible with the socials, but you know what I mean).
I have found that none of these products have actually seriously shown any results. I thought I was trying too hard to see results, therefore I wasn’t seeing any, and vice versa, however, after 4 weeks of usage, I think this is not the case. Am I doing something wrong?
I’m asian, 17 years old in high school. Does race have something to do with this? I’ve found that there are almost no asians on this forum whatsoever. Do pheros not link with people of asian heritage or something?
Now, the only solution I can think of right now is to either give up on mones or purchase the 2x or 4x strength versions of the socials. What do you think I oughta do? It’s too early for me to try out Ammo from what I’ve heard; and girls in highschool aren’t yet attracted to -none based products? Should I buy more powerful socials or just give up?
I do not doubt that you do not see results but I wonder what it is. Especailly with IO more than 2 sprays and the increase in chatter can drive me crazy.
I think one of the big questions is what are you doing in the way of social interaction? Meaning are you trying to engage people socially with these products on?
For example, are you putting on two sprays of IO and then just sittting back waiting for people to talk to you? Or are you intitiating conversations and seeing if there is an uptick. It it is the former, there may be an increase in conversations around you, but they may not involve you if you do not involve yourself in them.
Second, if you are in class, I would guess that people would not be talking a whole lot unless asked a question by the teacher. That is how classes work. And if everyone is rushing to classes in between bells there is not a lot of time for someone to be influenced by a phero-cloud.
The prime time I would think would be before or after school or during lunch. Plus you might sweat everything off during PE if you had that.
Again I am not saying you are not seeing anything, just wondering about conditions and environment.
You are absolutely right about the conditions of school. I only put on the sprays during two of my classes (teacher doesn’t care if we talk, in fact, she joins in the conversation if we’re talking!). Passing period in between the bell I figured the phero-cloud wouldn’t influence anyone, so I ruled that situation out too. So basically, you are pretty much spot on. I only put on pheros during the talkative, free-flowing classes, along with lunchtime, when we socialize the most. PE is not a problem, it is not in my schedule at all.
As for the way I act with the pheros on, I chat and socialize a lot, in fact, a little too much. I’m pretty shy when it comes to new people, but the people I know, I can’t stop talking. That’s pretty much the environment I find myself in when I use the pheros, so the way I act and the situation I’m in is good. I’m congruent with my phero signature, to put it simply.
The only problem is that I’m not seeing any REAL results. I socialize with my classmates just fine, it’s just that I don’t see anything out of the ordinary. People that I don’t know very well remain neutral with me, even after I attempt to stir up a conversation. Conversations don’t seem to go deeper than I want, it’s just normal chitchat and fun, even with IH and IO applied.
In fact, some days, I don’t put on pheros at all and seem to get a better social interaction from people, leading me to believe that pheros aren’t really doing anything for me, it’s ME that’s doing all the work. I know pheros are supposed to only be the social lubricants to GUIDE us, and we are supposed to do 90% of the work ourselves, but I feel that pheros don’t really even GUIDE me through anything.
Let’s understand one simple fact from the psychological point of view.
When you are in a group or around people who know you already, or are aware of you in a setup, like work place or school in your case, they already have an image about you which is built up with time and experience. This image, opinion, impression about you is registered in the subconscious mind of every individual in that setup and is not consciously controlled or manipulated. Any change in you, visually or non-visually would register, but might take time. Visuals changes are easier to identify while non-visuals (talking about mones here) are more difficult to identify. And when it comes to these non-visuals changes, alterations of the previous impression and image of an individual in the sub-conscious mind takes some time.
I am sure you would have come across a lot of posts on this forum where people have spoken about getting hits at clubs and bars and other places. But it is important to notice that these hits have come from people who do not know them. They do not have any previous image of yours in their subconscious mind and when they meet you for the first time, their subconscious mind is building this image of yours for the first time too. So it is easy to register and identify it for the new people then it is for those who already know you.
Also do keep in mind that at your age and the subjects, that is, the people around you, are all still too young. Maybe these mones are not identifiable by the physics of the human body at such a young age.
If you read more posts on this forum, there are numerous mentions about how much mones you need to use for different age groups. At 17, it is ideally suggested to be the least because the subjects cannot handle beyond that and maybe that’s what is happening with you too.
Do not get disheartened. What I would suggest is, go out with friends to social places where there is a lot of crowd, restaurants, bars, clubs, etc., and see if the mones work for you.
Read this post to understand and identify hits when you see one:
Also, I would suggest start really low. Start with maybe just one spray of just one of the product and do not mix anything, atleast not initially. This would help you identify what works and how much do you need apply for it to work.
Remember, you have just started off and just like it is said “You might face failure initially, but do not give up. Keep trying and work your way around”. So keep that in mind. Most of us fail initially, but that does not mean we cannot succeed. We just need to identify what works best for each one of us. Remember, every individual is different and what works for one might be completely suicidal for the other. So experiment as much as you can to find what works the best for you.
If you want to see hits, then just give it a shot. You will however have to act and initiate conversation. I’ve heard some nutty things with this stuff and it has brought me closer to some people that I know very well.
The trick isn’t to wear it all the time like cologne. Use it sparingly and find light mixes that you can use to better the whole picture.
Think like a classical conductor and the mones are you using your hands to create a very gentle effect with the orchestra. You could move yourself like a metronome and get a very mechanical like sound or you could ease your way into the music and create a scene that is uniquely you.
Read up on congruence, also consider trying MX297, ammo, and IH. I’ve found a lot of success with that mix for girls in the 18-23 range. Read my journal for a college report.
6 Sprays! OMG - I would smell like a perfume bomb wearing 6 sprays! I’ve always wondered how some of you are being able to sport more than 3 sprays of mones/cologne. I always get slight headaches when wearing more than a few sprays. However, I have to admit that the instant line product are indeed very good and gave me lots of hits with less than 2-3 sprays.
I used Instant Shine last night and it is kind of hard to tell if the effects are working. I mean, sure I was smiling, but that was probably due to the excitement of using my product for the first time or was excited about the party?
Just overall, during interactions…it felt kind of the same but I was smiling more?
I’m gonna need to purchase more products and mix em up with Instant Shine…maybe Ammo or IO/IH
It’s understandable that you are not seeing results in your testing and several people have pointed out some good reasons. Have you read my post on the subject?
There have been some reports that Asians are affected differently that Caucasians by some pheros, but that’s only an issue if you are trying at attract Asian classmates. Is doesn’t matter that you yourself are Asian. Are the people you’re trying to attract Asian?
The only product I’d recommend wearing on a daily basis during your school routine is A314. Even that might take months to show results, but it’s almost ideal for helping typical Asians (“the nail that stands out gets hit”) become more culturally “American” (“the squeaky wheel gets the grease”). Of course I don’t know you personally, but even American born and raised Asians I know have been culturally more reserved and even American born Caucasians who show up on the PheroTalk forum are usually also more reserved and/or shy, so especially as you grow into being a High School senior, the first big leadership group of your life, A314 can be a godsend.
I’d probably give up on IG for now, as it’s the least likely to be helpful to you in your present circumstances. The rest, I’d agree with others: save IO and IH for lunch period or a party or dance, something out of the routine. Save IS for a party only. Don’t mix IO and IH, as they tend to cancel each other out. Use IO to get light-hearted conversation going, use IH to set the stage for a heart-to-heart (but be prepared to hear painful things people would otherwise be too polite to say).
All of the pheros will work best on people you’ve never met before. IO and IH are going to promote conversation when you’re one on one and won’t be too helpful when you’re in a group situation, as most high school students are most of the time. IS will help you get noticed among a group at a party, but won’t overcome your established place in the social hierarchy among your friends and acquaintances.
If you tell us more about exactly what you’re trying to accomplish, we can give you more specific recommendations.
IO and IH cancel each other out? That’s not what the others guys stated. In fact, isn’t CTTM a mix of both pheros, combining deep rapport with communication?
Using IH and IO together wont make the mixes ineffective or cancel each other out. It just changes the character of the mix.
These two mixes are very similar. Its the ratio of the anol to bnol in them that differs and IH has one other added mone. The ratio of bnol (along with the other undisclosed mone) makes IH more deep, intimate, trusting. bonding and connecting.
The ratio of anol to bnol in IO makes it fun, playful, open and easy to talk to.
Both cause attraction of a different kind. Both are designed for a specific response.
When you wear them at the same time you throw the ratio that creates these effects off a bit and the specific response changes. You still get a response but its not not going to lean one way or the other.
CTTM did just what it said. It compels people to talk more. Its more raw and basic without the nuances or IH or IO.
I know people see other users just spraying on mones willy nilly and testing them out. This can work to create basic attraction and attention. However when your going for specific responses its ratio that makes one mix differ from another one. When you use products that are very similar in there construction the ratio of mones is skewed there by changing or “canceling out” the specific response (not the actual mones).
As far as you not seeing the effects of mones. There is a learning curve but mones are a proven science and way of communication. They are one part of how we all communicate. Just like with any verbal language you need to learn to speak it before you can effectively communicate. Body language is another way humans communicate. Each is one part of a whole when it comes to human communication and attraction. Everything in life has a placebo effect there is no way to avoid it really. Frankly I dont believe in Placebo in the meaning the word is used. Placebo is an actual effect unavoidable in real life situations. Everything has a cause and effect. No matter the cause the effect is real.
I do not doubt the fact that pheromones work. It seems legitimate, scientifically backed up, and most people seem to know about it in the real world. However, I’d like to learn up on body language and what mix is good for me. I’ve been searching for hits so long that I do not know what I am searching for anymore, and to top it off, I’m all out of money and mones. Just what are hits exactly? I’ve read up on the stickies and Steve’s forum and everything involving hits, yet I still don’t quite understand them…
I buy the big bottles of stuff…and often times double strength or stronger when available.
I applied 4 sprays of an older product called Spaceland. Look it up…very wacky responses and can make people giddy, laugh at everything etc. I also applied some Instant Honesty over that if I recall correctly…it was a 4x bottle. Problem was…I did this on a day I was going to my dentist and getting a root canal re-checked. What a nightmare. No one could shut up or keep a straight face. The dentist couldn’t stop laughing at whatever, his helper couldn’t pay attention, they had to get another lady, but she soon began acting strange. It took 2 hours for what should have been a 30 minute deal. The whole time I was sitting there…I realized what I’d done and was kind of nervous for having messed with these people, but at the same time I kept thinking to myself…WTF is going on here? It’s incredibly overwhelming when you learn to use these correctly and understand that you can influence people in ways they are not normally accustomed to. Be responsible though.
One good thing I got out of the whole thing…I wasn’t charged a dime. I’ll bet they all thought they were losing their minds.
This is a powerful example of how not to normally use the products, but because it was done this way…it proved that the products do work how people say they will work, if you pay attention to the ones who’ve experienced them and give you advice…like me.
Using pheromones in large group settings doesn’t normally work as well as one on one with a girlfriend, mom, business associate or a customer. Most of the time, products send out their scent within a relatively short radius of say 3 to 6 ft under optimal circumstances. Better when closer.
When I deal with customers, I try to close in on them…mostly when it’s a woman…but I also respect space needs.
Good luck…and don’t give up. The products do work. You may try some Ammo as a base product and layer some IS over that as a way to meet new people and give yourself a little boost in the attraction dept. Just a thought.
There are plenty of books on the subject as well. I think youtube has some videos as well you can watch.
For your mones since your just starting out and fairly young go with the basics. Ammo, IG, IO Ishine and IH. Before you jump into putatives and test mixes you need to get results with these. People tend to think you just spray on some mones and waa laa the world changes. Nope it doesn’t work that way. Pheromones are a tool we use in conjunction with our other skills and tools to communicate and influence those around us. They evoke many different emotions and those emotions dictate how we react to those around us. While arousal and sexual attraction are basically an emotion there are many other emotions that can help lead up to those and basically fuel those feelings. Comfort, trust , connection, warmth, happiness etc etc… All these feelings people get vibrating from you help steer… how others feel about you and respond to you.
I know many people come in looking for products that evoke a sexual response and dont really care if they make someone feel comfortable, happy warm or whatever. They just want people feel aroused and find them attractive and irresistible.
For girls/women, who are basically emotion driven, how you make us feel emotionally is what makes you irresistible and sexually attractive. Those little feelings of comfort, connection, warmth and happiness are what drive us to arousal.
For men its different, its more of a visual instinctual thing. This is not to say men do not feel emotion or respond to it, its just not there first instinctual response.
This leads me to hits. Hits are basically a change in a persons natural behavior. Hits are not always sexual in nature. Men tend to look for the sexual cues and miss the important ones.
Now I know you read lots of reports on some amazing instant hits that are sexual in nature so thats what your expecting and looking for. These is a lot we don’t report that go’s on during and before those hits though. Its harder to pick up on those subtle cues and takes some practice. I know a lot of people say well if I have to help it along with my own behavior and effort then mones dont work. Remember mones are a tool. A hammer cant build a house by itself unless you help it along a bit. Give it direction and purpose. It still works though.
So the problem is your looking for one thing and while your busy concentrating on that your not seeing the small subtle cues and working with those to lead you to your ultimate goal.
I have used mones for almost as long as you been around. God I feel old now. Of course they were not as good as the ones we have now back then so it was even harder to understand them.
Here are some examples of everyday hits.
My old boss (he retired last year) He is a prick normally to everyone. He has no social skills. However when I wear Ishine around him his mood changes. He calms down and is not as uptight. He gravitates towards me more. He talks to me normally instead of snapping and being moody. He enters my “space” more. He makes eye contact which is usual for him. I make him (or the Ishine makes him) feel warm comfortable and unafraid to interact with me. He doesn’t hit on me or anything but I could evoke that response in him with my behavior and body language if I wanted. I can use those emotions to evoke a desired response. I don’t of course but I could and it doesn’t matter what I look like or how popular I am.
In the morning I stop at a deli/gas station before work. Its uneventful usually, I just run in grab what I need and gas up. Most days the guy behind the counter is polite and normal. However I noticed when I wear IS/A (which I still have in abundance in its original formula) he pays more attention to me. His eyes follow me around the store. He go’s out of his way to help me. He gives me free stuff. He smiles more, interacts more, he tends to position himself in front of me, invade my space more, he doesn’t hit on me directly simply because I don’t give him the opening or cues to do so but I could make him hit on me if I adapt my behavior to his.
See now if I didn’t notice those subtle little clues and just waited till they hit directly I would be waiting all day. Those clues tend to not mean anything to people and take some practice to learn to read. So don’t look for hits. Look for behavior changes. This can be harder with those strangers. With that you tend to notice a overall increase in willingness to interact in some way. Like strangers gravitating towards you more and talking about stupid shit like weather, the news or something that’s going on in your immediate environment. This is just them trying to find a opening to interact with you. They don’t really give a shit about what they are talking about.
We talk about the “oh shit” moment. This is when it sort of comes together. That moment when you see exactly what the mones are doing. Its hard to explain that moment but if you dont give up on mones and pay attention more and work with them it comes for most people. Suddenly they just get it and it gets a whole lot easier.
Now your Asian and 17. What kind of girls are you targeting though ? Asian girls, all girls, older girls, the same aged girls ?? What works for one guy wont work for you depending on your goal.
Asian girls who are brought up in a predominantly Asian cultures tend to not like the heavy masculine mones. They are to forward. If they are removed more from there culture and dont spend a lot of time growing up around other Male Asian role models they are more open to the heavy masculine signals. The socials tend to work on just about any culture while the heavy masculine and sexual mixes that have more identifying mones in them can be race specific in some ways.
For instance African American males tend to have slightly higher testosterone levels and AF females tend to respond well to things like anone and other aggressive mones.
Latin men also have higher levels and the same holds true for Latin women’s preferences.
Asian men have slightly lower levels of the aggressive masculine mones. Asian women tend to gravitate towards the socials and arone which is masculine but less aggressive.
There are other factors however that come into play so while race plays a small part its just that…a small part. Depending on a Asian mans upbringing, diet, body type etc etc they could produce a higher then usual level of aggressive mones. Its not a exact science and it takes a lot of understanding of people and studying mones to really get a feel for the perfect mix for someone.
So in short LOL ( I am never short) Yes mones work for Asians.
What we call socials are really just mood mones and they are much harder to over do then the identifiers because socials have a positive effect. If you get 2X it should be fine with those. Mood mones, social mones whatever you want to call them speak more about your general feelings and demeanor. How you feel and come across to others. Warm friendly open trustful etc etc…
Indentifing mones tend to speak about you. Who you are, Male, fertile aggressive, submissive, alpha, beta etc etc…
See these circles, Well lets say the left side (A) is social mones and the right side (B) is the identifying more aggressive mones. Your shooting for the dark red zone. If you use to much of the B mones it overlaps to much of the A mones and you can come across as pushy aggressive intimidating. If you use to much socials A will over lap B and you end up in the friends box. Now if those circles up there represent each of our natural signatures. One side may already overlap the other to much. What you have to figure out is what mones will work with you to create that perfect red zone for you. I wish I could tell you its the same for everyone but we are not all the same. We can tell you which mones are likely to put you in that zone from the information you provide about you and your targets but only you can hone it to create that perfect zone that is uniquely you and it takes practice and a little work. Whether your willing to put in that effort is up to you but I wouldn’t give up just yet.
Wow. Tisha I am forever indebted to your work. This answered almost every one of my questions. You really do go out of your way to solve our problems! Thank you so much!
If too much socials can cause one to enter the friend zone, then would I be better off without IH 4x strength? That is the mones that I am looking into right now, but if I’m only getting that without something like Ammo to balance it out, would I still enter friend zone? I don’t feel like getting Ammo because I am trying to attract asian girls for the most part, but aggressive mones like Ammo would scare them off.
Your welcome, I tend to babble when I have IO on LOL.
Ammo is a pretty balanced mix. Its not aggressive like TUTH, IJ or a stronger type putative. You should be fine with Ammo and it tends to compliment most peoples natural signatures in my opinion. If you get IH or IO with it you can always buffer if necessary.
As I mentioned above its harder to over do the social/mood type mones. I think 4X may be a bit much but 2X should be fine. If you had a naturally intimidating aggressive aura I would suggest higher but I wouldn’t jump right to 4X until you know your actual dosage range. Its easier to work up in dose then down.
Of course they were not as good as the ones we have now back then so it was even harder to understand them.
