Gayness - which to go for?

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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Right so I’m new in these parts, not too clued-up on all the science of mixes and brands etc…

I recently bought “Pheromore F” (for women to attract men) as there is a guy I’m interested in who is relatively Bi but very Alpha male.
Of course I was also being experimental, I wanted to see what would happen.

So, I began using it a month ago, and immediately my best mate began showing a lot more interest in me, wanting to meet up and go out etc.
We then went to a festival for five days, but within two days, while he was showing me a lot of interest, I think the spray just made him horny. He hooked up with a girl there and I rarely saw him again for the rest of the gig.

Since then though he’s been a lot more open about sex. He’s even started talking to me about same-sex experimentation.
He’s away for a few days now visiting the girl he hooked up with at the festival.

I did notice other men too. A couple of times guys have just started talking to me, one guy made a very sexual comment in passing that I was too slow to notice.

So, I have a few questions on this.

Do you think that using a concoction designed for women to attract men simply makes straight men around me horny for women?
Would one designed for men to attract men work better on a “curious” guy?
Should I try mixing both?

Or, is there a completely different product out there designed for this?

Judging by the response I’ve had from using this first product, I’m definitely convinced that they do work. I just want to make sure I make the most of it.

Either way, I’m ordering the same product again, I have no doubt that it has made me and my mate a lot closer, and I’m certain that it’ll continue.

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Well, I"m not sure what Pheromore F is, but I’d say that if you feel like you’re seeing some sort of results, then it’s worth it to keep experimenting around with it. Without knowing more about the product though, I can’t really say if it would make straight men horny for women. Most likely yea, it probably would. If they are straight and they are horny, they’ll go for women. If they’re bi and they’re horny, well..who knows? And if you’re gay and your horny, well, I would expect you to go for someone of the same sex.

I really can’t say anything one way or another, there’s just too many factors. His preference that day, or selection of women versus men, the actual pheromone combination, how you feel/behave that day.

Socials will probably be pretty effective, Instant Shine, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty. You could also try Mystery Boy. I also hear p93 in high doses imparts a ‘gay vibe’, haven’t experienced it personally myself.

Where did you order this product from? If we know more about it, we can figure out what works and go from there.

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Pheromones won’t change peoples sexual orientations. A man wearing women’s pheromones will not usually give off a “gay vibe” or appear to change their gender… in fact what most likely happens is social proofing, the person might become more attractive to the opposite sex.

I haven’t read any research on what pheromones bisexuals are attracted to- it doesn’t seem to be a big area of research interest. Androstenols are usually considered attractive to people regardless of their gender or sexual orientation, however. Instant Openness and Instant Honesty both contain androstenols, so does Mystery Boy. Androstadienone and etiocholanone also have unique effects on gay men vs. straight men.

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Look for posts by a former member RON (it might have been R0N). He was a gay “working guy” that used to post here. He had a lot of good ideas.

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Yea, R zero N –> R0N Err..just to clarify. :slight_smile:

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I say some I shine . Some io, maybe even tuth.
reapply after 5 hours.
To get best result apply 20 min before.
U can even wear your fav perfume or cologne or over it

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I would say that it depends on the guy you’re aiming at… Some gays/bi are more “male vibe” and are looking for a more passive partner. Some others are all the contrary.
So whether they are attracted to a more Yin or yang partner you should use the respective pheros to give that vibe.
More male with TUTH or Ammo, more female vibe with female pheros.

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Hey, I’m sure I can help. I have tried probably the most powerful Copulin product here, Lust After Me, to attract other guys. However, all the guys I was around usually got very quiet and nervous around me. Because of my obvious handsome male presence it just made it seem like I had sex with a thousand girls. This is not to say it won’t yield success (because I’m still testing it). But, I’m sure it would be great for transgender users.

I have tried Mystery Boy, and I get a slight increase of attention from both men and women. A lot of pheros have this effect, even my current personal favorite Instant Shine. So in my experience I’d recommend either Mystery Boy or Instant Shine. Instant Honesty enhances both, while wearing Mystery Boy with Instant Honesty I have been able to pull straight guys from conversations with women. They may not wanna have sex, but they really like hanging around me with this combo. I only wear Instant Shine and Honesty together when I have a lot of energy. If you mix these two expect attention and to be talked to about everything. I only wear Instant Honesty to enhance either Mystery Boy or Instant Shine, depending on what mood I’m in.

Hope this helps you.

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Thanks for all the advice.

I think I’ll order some Instant Shine, then the Pheromore F and the Pheromore G from Mone power scents (link removed)

I’m guessing if my mate is Bi-curious (the first one I’ve tried, Pheromore F, definitely made him more sexual around me) and I mix this with the Gay version, it might make things a little more interesting.

I have a few dates with other guys coming up, so I’ll see what happens then too.

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Try some TAH

I am not gay, but I was experimenting with it other week, and I think I put on way too much, and attracted some gay men, who thought I was hot.

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Well, these guys make it easy. :smiley:

Also, Fluffiebuggie, I’m not sure if it’s kosher to be posting that link on the forums.

Anyways…

Pheromore F is 10mg of Copulins, 7mg of Estratetraenol, 5mg of Androstenol, 5mg of Androsterone, 5mg of Androstadienone.

Pheromore G is 10mg of Androsterone, 7mg of Androstenone , 5mg of Androstenol, 5mg of PDD, 5mg of Androstadienone.

No idea what PDD might be, but other than that, these are some pretty straight forward mixes. I’m surprised the Pheromore G mix has 7mgs of -none.

Based on the contents of Pheromore F and G, I’d say Instant Shine was probably the best product you could have bought to complement them. Both products contain many products that are the primary ingredients in several of the consumer products. I’m not sure how well balanced these products are. 10:7:5:5:5 in both cases, kinda strange if you ask me.

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Oops, didn’t think of that.

I just thought It’d help to see what I was buying. And it’s hard to find these products in the UK. I am always reluctant to buy from abroad, things tend to arrive with labels all over them describing what is inside! :angry:

As for the mixes of ingredients, I’m not sure what to make of it. Do you mean that it seems coincidental they have the same ratios of different ingredients. If so, I guess they just developed a similar formula to a working product (I assume the M product came first, then the F, then the G?)

I’ll definitely order what has been suggested, I’m interested to see what effects these products will have together.

And of course I’ll let you all know. :slight_smile:

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I’m surprised the product has so much androsterone. Alot of studies haven’t found alot androsterone to be all that attractive to other men, at least sexually. One hypothesis is that a higher etiocholanone to androsterone ratio is possibly some form of pheromonal “gaydar” that other men and women might pick up on. Androsterone is more “straight” in its attractiveness.

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Well, I don’t know what PDD is, so I can’t really comment fully on G other than that I’m surprised the two primary ingredients are -rone and -none. Maybe this is because Pheromore G is targeted for the ‘feminine’ gays? So the wearer is the ‘masculine’ gay? I don’t really know much about these dynamics. Maybe someone actually in the know can help shed some light on the dynamics of the culture?

Anyways, I don’t know what the hell PDD is, but for the most part, Pheromore G could easily be a mix targeted to pick up females. Whereas Pheromore F looks more like it’s a ‘mutual bond mix’ with a little -rone in there for the guy (hey, you make me feel more manly.)

All in all, I think the ratios and products are the way they are because they have a limited variety of pheromones and limited precision with which to measure their doses. Or they’re just idiots and didn’t think that other ratios than 10:7:5:5:5 could be more effective than just switching the pheromones around the same ratio.

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Well so far the best gay pheromones i’ve tried have been Luomo Amore and Pheromore G. Luomo Amore causes sexual desire mostly by the phero Androstenone which is the main male sex hormone but this ingredient is greatly amplified in the formula. There were a few guys i work with whom i suspected might be bi or gay and when i first used this, i was surprised to find two whom i thought were straight that ended up getting a hard on and started getting very friendly with me. The only drawback to Luomo Amore is that it seems to be mostly about arousal and sexuality. Which is fine if that’s all you want but i also want a good friend or two as well as a good lover.
I tried Pheromore G and was surprised that the label said the ingredients were different than what’s listed on the website. The website says 10mg of Androsterone, 7mg of Androstenone , 5mg of Androstenol, 5mg of PDD, 5mg of Androstadienone in a 20ml bottle. When i received it, it said it contains: Estratetraenol, Oxytocin, Androsterone, Alpha and Beta Androstenol, PDD, Androstadienone and Bromelein (rare in a pheromone). I was concerned cuz i know Estratetraenol and Oxytocin are more a female pheromone and some gays or bi guys can get turned off by that on a man. But i was also told that men find Estratetraenol very erotic; as much so as copulins. So i tried it at work too. The same guys approached me at work and a few others were alot more friendly with Pheromore G. But this time two of them would rub against me as they walked past. One would deliberately grab his crotch when i looked at him. One would rub his arm across my butt as he walked by. Another even had the nerve to come out and ask if i liked guys. I wasn’t sure what to say but then he goes into a story telling me about how he’s fooled around with guys before. Obviously this was the “trust” phero Oxytocin allowing him to feel comfortable with me. All in all, they both seem to work well but Pheromore G seems alot more erotic judging by the results I got. By the way somebody had asked about PDD. I looked up the info on that. PDD suppresses testosterone production. So i’m assuming if your testosterone is being suppressed, then this is what makes it even easier for men to approach you. I read that although it suppresses testosterone, the body continues to produce sperm like it normally would. I’m not sure i’d wear pheromore G on me all the time if it suppresses testosterone. You don’t want to lose muscle tone. It might be better to spray it when you’re in the mood for sex. Use it the same way a woman uses her sex drive. When she’s around a man she really likes, she lets herself get aroused and extremely wet. lol.

Common descriptions of pheromones:

•Estratetraenol - socially uplifting pheromone; energizing
•Oxytocin - nature’s “trust” hormone; promotes bonding
•Androsterone - communicates masculinity
•Alpha-Androstenol - induces feelings of comfort and attraction
•Beta-Androstenol - the “ice-breaker” pheromone
•Androstadienone - the “love” pheromone; promotes caring
•PDD - Suppresses testosterone. Also used in transsexual and lesbian pheros
•Bromelein - (rare) Jump starts the libido. Very helpful for erectile dysfunction in men

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Bromelein is not a pheromone its an enzyme. When ingested its said to increase libido to some extent because it can increase testosterone but the scent of it in the air does not trigger the neurotransmitters or a pheromonal response.

People often think that the effect of something you ingest will be the same or similar when you smell it. Not the case, two totally different pathways and responses.

Its like saying if I spray aspirin on my headache will go away. No it just doesn’t work that way.

Oxytocin is on the wire still. Its to heavy to be effective in spray form. Needs to be sprayed in high doses directly into the nasal passage. It is a pheromone but so far ineffective in products.

PDD>>> I don’t believe this is a pheromone either. Unless they are coding it to hide the chemical name. Its a drug from what I understand and its not something that would cause a response airborne. A pheromone can not suppress testosterone levels.

I think pheromone M is actually a decent mix despite the hype and the use of ingredients that are doing nothing. Gay men are attracted to the male signature. You have lots of arone, A1 and the nols there. Both males and females make EST, women just make it in higher ratio to men. Adding this softens the other three and is the standard gay mix. I would not classify EST as erotic, its the nurture signaler, increases empathy but it is useful in a gay mix.

Tisha

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Thanks for your response. I thought it was odd that it contains Bromelein cuz i had read it was an enzyme too. I can’t say much more about that right now cuz i don’t have enough information on it.
I had also read that PDD is a pheromone but some sites say it isn’t really a pheromone so i wondered why it was in this.

See this page for information on PDD (pregna-4,20-diene-3,6-dione):

Modulation of serum testosterone … [J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 1998] - PubMed - NCBI

I didn’t know that men also make EST. Thanks for that info.

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Thank you for the interpretation of PDD. :smiley: It was making me crazy LOL Yes it is a putative pheromone I just never seen it called PDD before. Putative meaning suspected to be but not proven to be.

PDD is a vomeropherin. A steroidal pheromone that is applied locally to the VNO. Problem is the VNO has been found to not be functioning in humans. Next problem is as a airborne pheromone its going to act different in the body then it will sprayed directly into the nasal cavity like what they are doing in most of the studies. It will absorb through the mucus membrane and it will effect testosterone levels but as a airborne molecules it travels other pathway to the brain which has a blood barrier. You get a pheromonal response without a biological response (change to the body’s functions)

Yes we make all the same hormones and pheromones just in different ratios. Women make testosterone anone arone etc etc and men make the estrogen’s. Copulins are the only pheromone like substance exclusive to women. There may be something similar in precum for me as well but more tests are needed. Anywho its not just the pheromone used in a mix its the ratio that makes the mix effective or ineffective.

Tisha