hey guys my name is Daniel im 23 years old i live in Adelaide Australia, my mate 185lachlan (lach) told me about this site. when he told me about what the Pheromones do i thought that it will be able to help me out with the lady’s. About 8 months ago i was 175kg and i now lost 35kg and down to 140kg. what do u guys recommend i should use as a beginner to these products?
Banger
G-banger WOW, congrats on the weight loss. I’ve been working on mine for about the same length of time. You’ve lost nearly twice what I have. That’s awesome.
Welcome to the forum. You and lach should make a good phero team. Look out Adelaide! Start out simple and get a few products to try. Maybe IO, or IH, Ammo of course. Take your time with each one, at least a week. One of my favs that is good to give you a masculine vibe that is not overtly sexual is IG.
Before you make any decisions though look through the men’s forum. Esp. some of the stickies. SteveO has a good “read me first” that will help familiarize you with some of the forum features. Snook Assasin wrote an amazing easy to read primer called “Snooks Big Book of Pheros for rookies” don’t miss that and also the one by Toilofday “basic noob phero bootcamp” for more detailed info.
Have Fun and keep us updated on the doins down under!
Hey Daniel..
Welcome! Great friend to have that shares pheromone secrets with you.
Congratulations on losing those weight. Takes a great deal of self-belief and discipline to do that, at least for me. The guys will help you out in a while.. You can try Instant Shine if you like, I think you can gain much with just an added boost of confidence! Ammo, if you’d like to attract the girls!
Or steal those pheros from Lachlan 
That’s what I’d do anyways 
See you around!
Liz
Hey Daniel, welcome to the forum. Both Renny and Lizzie have made great recommendations for you. Ammo is a great all around product for generating female attention and interest.
The Instant Openness can act as an ice breaker and help to get conversations started, while Instant Honesty can take those conversations to a deeper level. Another consideration could be Come Talk To Me Mix 2, as it is made up of the components in both Instant Openness and Instant Honesty, and really does just what it says - You say hello, and they tell you their life story.
The Instant Shine has a happy, feel-good vibe to it, for the person wearing it and those around them.
Anyway, you have found a great source for information on pheromones and an incredible group of people who are ready and willing to help you discover all that pheromones can do. If you have any questions, just ask.
Daniel - Welcome to the forum and world of pheros. Renny has given you some good product advice - well worth listening to. Tell us a little more about yourself and what you are trying to accomplish and maybe we can help a little more. In addition to Renny’s suggestions Instant Female Magic and and the Instant Shine that Mark recommended are great products too.
Wait for SteveO to come by looking to give out Gift Certificates.
The products are real and they really work. But not like some kind of Harry Potter magical potion. It is real science with real effects, but you have to figure out the effects as they relate to you and then you need to take action to take advantage of those effects. Chances are if you do nothing, nothing will happen, even with pheromones. You have to interact with the people around you in order to see the changes in their interactions with you.
Be sure to read the Stickies. They have a lot of good info.
And finally - good luck and have fun!!
Actually, credit goes to Lizzie for the Instant Shine. I just gave an explanation on the effects. 
cheers heaps guys for your post ill read those post u guys recommended to me to read. two things i have found hard about going out and hitting the town is what to say to the girls and how to brake up a group of girls so i can talk to the girl im interested in, u guys got any pointers about this
NOOO…Only if i could gain 30KG LOL
There is a lot of advice here on the forum about how to do that and where to look for advice.
The big thing to remember is to smile, be friendly, and look for something humorous to say about something going on right there.
185thlachlan - Check around the site - there used to be some kind of referral bonus for friends who refer friends who make purchases from the Androtics smartmones site.
I think it is mentioned on the smartmones site or you can ask SteveO about it.
yeah we will do that nxt time we buy something
when i bought my stuff i bought some stuff for GBANGER as well(IS, Instant Openness, and AMMO…i think )
btw GBANGER told me that he would like to see if he can get the guys at hes work to be so called “nice” for a change…what would you recommend on this situation(i thought about IS)
Lach, I’m glad you’re here and I mean this with a big smile and in the spirit of camraderie … skinny guys complaining about their weight just make me wanna suck a lemon. LOL
Yeah - kinda makes you roll your eyes, don’t it Renny - lol.
BAHAHAHA…yeah dam that metabolism what a stupid feature of the human body!!!
my weight btw is 57.5kg…just for you guys to get an idea of how light i am 
…in other words GBANGER is more than double my weight!..well at least i can see my sexi six pack LOL
I would recommend Instant Shine to make them nice. I would recommend Instant Gentelman for a cool/suave vibe. Or you could pair it with A314 which is the I am the warm (fatherly?) Alpha male and you will listen. Or things will get too warm real fast. Maybe Ammo which is well rounded but has some 'none in it to potentially give you a more Alpha vibe.
Part of it depends on what you want to portray and part of it depends on what you can carry through with socially. Doesn’t do a lot of good to give off a strong Alpha vibe if you are not going to be a leader. Not pretend to be one. But BE one.
Anything to add Renny?
at my work which is a bakery im the production manager and im just under the boss but one of the guys that i work with thinks he is the ALFA male but he aint.
Well then go for something with that Alpha male vibe but carry through with words and deeds. Let him know who is who. If you can carry through these products will give you the edge to help you do it. Your non-alphas can become very compliant. But any real alphas may challenge you especially in 'none is involved. Now A213 does have some 'none but just a touch. (Thanks for the correction Renny!!) Ammo does have 'none. Not sure about Instant Gentleman.
Lachlan - I also tried to answer your question about application points in your Intro post.
atm i ordered Instant Honesty TO GO! AMMUNITION Cologne for Men - TO GO! i think and “Instant Shine” Feel Good Pheromone - TO GO! (Instant Shine Spray — Mood Enhancing Pheromone For Men - Alpha A314) to see how well they go if they go well ill order the A213 but from the sounds of things i should have ordered this one too :S
i ordered some Pheromones at the same time Lachlan ordered his i chose “Instant Shine” Feel Good Pheromone - TO GO! (Instant Shine Spray — Mood Enhancing Pheromone For Men - Alpha A314), Instant Honesty TO GO! and i think i ordered this one AMMUNITION Cologne for Men - TO GO!. from the sounds of things maybe i could use that A213 at work but i think it would ware off too quick cause it gets really hot in the place and we sweat a bit too so it most likely ware off fast
a314 is primarily androsterone and actually uses -none (and a bunch of other stuff) to buffer the “nice” qualities. This gives a very respectable alpha vibe that really requires you to live up to it. If another alpha senses that you might not be as strong as you project, he may respond with anything ranging from mild ridicule to outright challenge. This is quite different from the aggressive things that can happen with -none, but it can hurt your status.
IG is much easier to “live up to” because it doen’t carry the respect vibe that a314 has. I remember seeing a post by Jas that said there was no -none in it. It is a masculine product but it not really alpha in the sense that is usually meant around here.
I like IG because I carry enough of the “alpha” vibe in my store. I mean hey it’s my store, my turf. A314 tends to put that feeling a little over the top and for me can seem a little cold. On days when I know that a pushy salesman will be coming around though I’ll throw on a314 instead to really make the point. It’s not that IG causes any lack of respect, but it doesn’t bolster it either. YMMV. It’s a fairly subtle distinction and takes a while to understand, like the diff between IO and IH.