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Hello everyone, I am 24 years old going on 25 here soon, M from PA. Ever since after a long relationship ending a few years ago, my best friend dying in his sleep, and subsequent downfall on alcohol, I had lost a lot of self-confidence and respect for myself, hence losing my ability to confidently talk with those of the other sex.

A couple years ago, I got clean, graduated from college, went through 2 jobs, and recently started my own business. However, my ability to go out and be confident with girls is still shot. I am working on this and feel these pheromones will be of help, even if it is only psychological (as I believe my problem is largely psychological and not physical as I am an extremely fit, young, and know that I do have looks, but lack the mental confidence).

Anyways, I look forward to understanding pheromones here. I am really interested in the whys of just about everything in the world, usually spending all my free time reading in books and on the internet. This seems to be another forum of intelligent people to learn from and hopefully I can give back!

I plan on maybe picking up a few to-go bottles of IO (I already know the terminology lol), IS, AMMO, and maybe IH. I really do not have any idea. I heard AMMO is a good starter though so I might just pick the full size bottle of that instead of trying out a few of the to-go bottles as samplers.

I remember buying pheromones back in like the end of high school, though I did not have problems attracting girls back then as I had “game” then lol. Never was aware enough to know if it worked, but I know one girl who used my backpack to go to Italy on a flight got it confiscated and they held her thinking it was some kind of drug or something lol.

I actually discovered pherotalk after reading a scientific forum on health and fitness science about oxytocin. Being the type of person that has to spend hours researching a day on curious topics, I was lead to wikipedia to understand the “love hormone.” I came across pheromones in the article I believe and I was like damn, I remember buying a bottle back in the day, lets see what they are up to now since I believe they were fairly new for commercial use about 7-10 years ago. So I did a search for pheromones I believe and found this site.

Thanks

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Hi there,

That sounds like youve had quite a rough life.Good that you managed to overcome it and im sure you have gotten stronger in the process.Cool that youve even started your own business.Generally most guys arent that confident around girls even when nothing has happened to them.Although pheromones will help,i would also recommend reading up on maybe some pickup and conversation books like david deangelo and leil lowndes as they will help.

This forums definitely a good place to learn about pheromones.Theres a lot of information and everybody is friendly and helpful here(^^)Haha,youve certainly done good research.That set of pheromones will be an awesome start for you.You will probably find ammo+instant shine and instant openness to be a good combo as instant openness will make starting and keeping a conversation going easier.Then you could transition to instant honesty when the girl is dating you.Ammo by itself is also a good standalone though.(^^)You may also want to get some instant gentleman or a314 for work too(^^)They are pretty awesome.Haha,that would have sucked that it got confisticated in Italy.(><)All the best and hope to catch ya around the forums.You should read the 2 stickies below if you have the time as they answer a lot of things about pheromones in general.

An Introduction to Mones; Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Length of

Pheromone FAQs

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Heya !

I am sorry to hear about all of your losses.. it sounds like you’ve been through hell and back.

And I understand how it can hurt a person and their self esteem, but now it’s your turn to TAKE-BACK-THE-POWER!

You’ve told us a lot of good information about your background.

Now let’s get to the nitty gritty, and you can get a $25 gift certificate!

Who are you looking to use the mones on? I’m guessing the chica’s from your post… ammo is a damn good choice, and is epic win. IO is a very good buffer for it and will get ya chatting (as well as folks around ya).

IS will make ya a happy camper, along with others around you, and IG is an alpha male phero which will get respect hits galore.

Where are ya planning on using the mones at? A club perhaps? Coffee Shops?

Chris

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Wow, after reading through some posts on here, this forum is much more helpful than fitness forums where you get a lot of “bros” spewing “bro-science.” Much more friendlier here.

Thanks for the recommendations above guys! I think I will start with AMMO + IO + IS and then add IG ASAP, especially for business deals.

Mainly, I want to use the pheromones on the ladies and to hopefully eventually develop a healthy relationship as I have not been in one for awhile. Who knows though. Though I do not drink alcohol anymore, I do still occasionally head out to the bar to hang out with friends and check out the ladies. Not having the alcohol lubrication makes it a lot tougher now to pick up the ladies, but its just something I need to work on building up my confidence and feel that the mones will help with that too.

Coffee shop is a good idea and I might plan on spending some time there too as the type of women I am looking to date would most likely be found in a bookstore or a coffee shop instead of a bar. Not that there is anything wrong with women in bars, and they would be fun for a night or even to date if I picked out the right one.

Chris, I see in a few of these intro friends that you highly recommend IG to younger men. Though I am going on 25, I feel 10 years younger since I stopped my alcohol (and occasional drug use) consumption and instead filled the void with strength training. You think that should be on my first list? I am more of a shy person but can easily be opened up with a joke here or there. In business, I mainly put on a “show” until I get to know the customer more, which is sometimes tough to do but I have just developed some sales experience and its sort of natural now. My sales experience does not translate onto women anymore lol. I eventually, would like to pick up all the pheromones and have a nice stack for specific occasions, like IG and maybe A314 and IH for business dealings and TUTH, IO, and IS for closer encounters.

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Confidence can be a guy’s worst enemy. Trust me, I know - - - been there, done that, still wrestle with it but now I look at it as an obstacle to overcome rather than pure fear.

As far as bars vs coffee shops, ya never know… sometimes you’ll find a chick that has been unwittingly dragged out by her gal-pals and isn’t a regular bar hopper. Even introverts have to be social on rare occasion :slight_smile:

IG vs Ammo… Hmm… I know that IG is usually recommended for the younger guys over ammo because of the amount of androstenone production that they have naturally but you’re on the age line I’d say… IG is mostly made of the molecule AndrosteRONE which is the signature of a wise, strong, experienced alpha male. Ammo is a mix… it’s got a bit of AndrosteRONE, AndrosteNONE, and AndrosteNOL(social).

Do you want more of a leadership/wisdom vibe? Or a ‘Sexy Guy’ vibe? Both can be attractive to women, but Ammo is more broad, while IG would be more attractive to higher status women (Alpha Females) similar to a314, and it also attracts younger women well, according to some of the younger guys that have used it.

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Hmmm…You got me thinking of getting IG now. Might just have to get both and test em out.

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Both is definitely a good idea.They both have their uses and are good in different situations(^_^)

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Yup Chris gives about very true information about the different between Instant Gentlemen and Ammo!

I’m 20 btw and I have both. Both will definitely increase a girls interest in you but remember that doesn’t mean there simply gonna approach you, though some will! For me I really like both AMMO can be used as a good base mone were you can apply other mones to make mixes/combos. Mind you the same can be said for IG just that ammo has more variety in it. If you get both thats a great idea, IG is also great when you social with others that are older then you, for me it helps with professors.

Anyways welcome to the forums and hope you find what works for you!!

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Something that will help you is doing a journal on here in the men’s journal section… not only will reporting on the product usage further the science of biology, but it’ll also allow you to reflect on your self growth, the various Hits that you have using the mones, and members will be able to chime in with some ideas that you may not have thought of (including the rather outspoken women of the forum who are very vocal about what really attracts a woman and pushes her buttons, rather than the cliched advice that gets guys stuck in the friend zone). This forum is all about self-improvement and lifestyle improvement and it’s really a fun place with a lot of nice people.:smiley:

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I am probably going to start a journal. Just like strength training, I think its important to track progress (or not progressing) and adjust. If something is not working then change it.

I’ve been perusing the PUA lifestyle and reading some books. Funny thing is I know the stuff works when I think about it. In the past before I went downhill, I had no problem with women. Heck, a couple summers ago, I worked at a popular beach the east coast as a “scoper” (oc, MD). You basically run around the beach all day and ask every single person if they want “scopes.” Basically, we know everyone and anyone in OC, MD and are sort of a OC tradition to get scopes (pictures for keychains shaped like a mini scope). We werent just salesman and photographers but also entertainers. People that have been to OC, MD or Virginia Beach know what I am talking about. My roommate and I had a big wall that we would hang numbers on from girls on the beach and would rate them with stars 1-5, lol. Then we would choose a group to call every night. It was a fun, but a rough summer (lots of drinking, working 7 days a week for 12+ hours running around in the grueling sun, etc…). I learned a lot from my roomate by just observing. Basically, since I knew I wouldnt see most of the girls again at the beach, I didnt give a shit how I acted to them but it seemed to work a lot lol. I have an idea on what to do, I just got to learn to approach in a natural setting.

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Just picked up IO, IS, and AMMO to-go bottles to give a try run!

I would just like to thank this forum and Smartmones for the extremely generous discount code! I am extremely confident that these mones might change my life by influencing confidence. I know it might seem like I will be using them as a crutch, but I would rather use mones than get myself into drinking again. Every little thing will help. I just have to improve on my own and learn as much as I can and just get my balls back and approach lol.

Thanks again everyone for the recommendations and discount code! :slight_smile:

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Welcome to pherotalk Future23!

You are super welcome and we go through struggles in life to make us stronger and everything happens for a reason.

I commend you on your strength and will to get back out there and not hide in a corner and let life get the best of you.

Let us know how things are going with you and keep us updated.

Your gc was issued! :slight_smile:

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Thank you! Can’t wait to try these out!