I’ve used this mix twice now. Just wondering if I could improve on it?
4XIS
P83 40mcg
Ammo X2
Tuth X1
Could i add anything or change anything to improve on it?
The first time I used this I made out with 3 girls, but the 2nd night nothing. Mainly due to the fact I wasn’t feeling it, I probably could have. I’ve never managed to get a girl home with me though. Any suggestions?
Thanks!
YOU could cut everything in HALF, 20-30 mcgs of P83, and give it a test run for a couple of outings. UNLESS you’re after the 27+ Club Members, and with that, maybe 1 TUTH.
Oops, I meant TuthX1
I’m after the 19-23s!
In that case, you MAY have better look with 1 spray of AMMO “”“OR”“” TUTH.
THREE sprays of the non-None products used to be the GUIDELINE.
It amazes me how so many are mixing so many products. To me, that makes sense ONLY if you’re using all Ps. It would seem as though the MAIN PRODUCTS, AMMO, TUTH, and the rest of the line products SHOULD be able to hold their own. Everybody’s in such a hurry to mix, and still haven’t mastered the hits/body language of what products do/suppose to do.
Slow down and enjoy the ride, young fella. 
I tried halving everything. It was the worst night of my life, i got nothing! I don’t know why 
Actually it was:
2X IS
20mcg P83
AmmoX2
It was pretty awful, i don’t know why! Also, this club was meant to be the biggest club in the area I’m from. I’ve never been there before, but my friends told me it was incredible. When I went there, it was huge and there were SO many people. However, I didn’t find a single person in there attractive and that probably has something to do with it. I didn’t even bother approaching anyone. There were 1 or 2 girls that were nice, but they were holding onto guys, etc.
But yeah TMOD: incredibly disappointed, sad and sexually frustrated. I just feel like a loser who can’t get anyone FML!
so far in my early pheromone career I realize my hits come from approaching and talking to girls for a while and then you might see something. I actually approached two milfs the other night and they were not giving me any IOI at all until later on, at the end of the night they invited us to a strip club haha.
if you are looking at 19-23, go with like 1x Ammo, not 2. Some IO helps with icebreaking - it seems like you are holding back too much. I only rarely let girls holding onto guys stop me from talking to them. Icebreak w/ friendly vibe, have fun. 2x Ammo and especially w/ TUTH added, the guys are going to be all protective of their ladies. Which is no fun. If you throw a bunch of P75 in there you can clear some of the other dudes from your area and still keep the ladies around… the P75 will also help dis-inhibit you more next time around, so you don’t keep over thinking it.
Some P96 and alcohol (2 drinks?) will probably change your perception of how attractive / funny everyone is… at least that works so well for me… makes everything / everyone funny, interesting, and attractive. You can’t change what’s on the menu any given night, but maybe you can change how you feel about it.
The P83 I feel only helps if you are more attractive than the other guys, or if you’re the only guy around. P83 says “do what you want”, which means you have to be the one they want to do. If you are facing stiff competition, you need more of an alpha “do what I say” thing, so that’s going to be maybe A314 spray and a bit of TAK.
Another way of looking at it is, don’t lower your eNone level - maybe these younger gals are just lacking confidence. Maybe you could put on 5 mcgs TAL or so with your original mix, hit a big club, and some of these girls will hit on you rather than holding back. But we have hardly any data on guys wearing TAL, so you’re just going to have to try it and see how if it works.
Wow, thanks for the in depth reply.
The P83 is definitely my favorite product. It always seems to work well in clubs, especially when I up the dose to 40-50mcg.
I have some P75, but I’ve never tried it! How many mcg do you recommend? Should i add it to the IS, IO, P83 and Ammo?
I’ve got a to-go bottle of p96 and I’ve never tried it either. I might give that a go! Unfortunately I have pretty high standards, which sucks. If I could have lower standards, i would! Hopefully the P96 will help with that then 
I edited my response slightly, as I usually do.. check above.
P75 is one of my favs. even though I don’t tolerate it as well as other people seem to. Figure out how much you can tolerate, and run it at the same or higher eNone in you your mix. So 2x Ammo 1x TUTH, that’s 2.5 mcgs / spray eNone. so 7.5 total. So do 7.5 to 10 mcgs P75. Or higher, if you feel like it & can handle it well. Just keep in mind you will repell other men. They start to get a bit antsy at 2.5… and you will already have strong self FX at that dose. 1.25 mcgs you will still feel it. 5 mcgs & higher and it’s like I’m are radiating a force-field / territorial bubble of protection against other males. It seems like they quickly get the idea that they need to get out of your space. Women seem to feel quite comfy and protected in this bubble. That’s just my own perspective on it. On a daily basis, I now go w/ 2.5 mcgs P75 and 1/2-1 spray TUTH + 2x IG, and that feels great. I could cut the P75 to 1.25 and maybe be a bit more comfortable, but other people love running it higher levels all the time without an issue.
Test the P96 on it’s own with a few drinks, socially w/ friends, and write up a report. at 25+ mcgs. On it’s own I got a delicate romantic vibe, but alcohol seems to change it. Your perspective would be interesting. I like the way it goes w/ 2x IG and 1/2-1 TUTH… slow romantic dance kind of feeling. P74 plays very well together here. P96 is such a delicate tender thing, it seems a pitty to upset it with a complicated mix or anything strong… the simplicity and lightness of IG seems well suited to me.. add just a hint of sexyiness.
P83 gets me the most horrible responses, usually. Maybe it’s me.
P75 and P83 is a combo that makes sense, because it says do what you want, but you’re doing it in MY space. The ladies are liking your space and feeling you as the source of it - what they want to do revolves kinda starts to revolve around you. Meanwhile the guys are feeling what they want to do is get out of your space.
The few times P83 didn’t go wrong for me, I was running it with P75, though it was still hit or miss for me even then.
Awesome, sounds good. I’ll definitely put up a report and PM you when I do it.
Also, I’ve noticed in clubs that sometimes random girls approach me and ask if I can take a picture of them. They then ask if I can be in the picture with them after. It’s really strange, they always ask if i can take one of them first before taking one with me in it. I honestly don’t know why this happens, any ideas?
If they want you to be in the picture with them that’s a hit my friend. For some reason you’re interesting to them. Either they think you’re hot, or they just want some social proof so they can show the picture to their (female) friends… Either way, it’s a good thing. People don’t ask someone they dislike to join for a picture.
Oh really? That’s pretty good then 
Well the thing is, I lost my friends in a club and almost gave up on looking for them so I took a seat at some random empty table. My back was turned to everyone, but then 3 girls sat on the empty seats next to me. They then started talking to me for around 5 mins and asked for the photo. I didn’t really know how to escalate the situation so I just told them I have to go find my friend and left 
I was wearing:
4XIS
2X Ammo
1X TuTH
40mcg P83
A lot of people have told me that I’ve got too much none for my age (21). However, isn’t the P83 meant to regulate it?
Sorry I deleted my previous post be accident. In short I said that if people want to be in a picture with you, that usually is a good thing
P83 doesn’t moderate/buffer androstenone! It creates disinhibition, making people act on what they’re feeling. If you go too high on none, you risk repelling people. Walking hard-on vibe. With P83 you can make a smaller dose of androstenone more effective without risking OD. At least that’s how I see it.
Do the same rules apply in a club? Usually I put on my mones, have pre-drinks for about 1 hour and then head to the club.
Won’t a lot of the -none have worn off by then? (Especially in a hot sweaty environment)
Androstenone is sticky, so it won’t come off without a good scrub. When sweat + bacteria come into play my experience is your mix can go either way. Results become very volatile. If it’s a raunchy club environment it’s ok to go higher on androstenone in my experience, as there’s more sensory competition and a stronger sexual vibe is more acceptable than with pre-drinks. So just wear Ammo at your pre-drinks at your sweet spot level and add 1 spray of TUTH plus 30-40 mcg P83 in the club.
More or less, yes - None becomes more acceptable in a club/less inhibited environment but your buffers/moderation still play an important part, although a good club mix tends to be more uncomplicated. Here, P83 would be a secondary, and you None/buffer mix the primary.
No, in fact the very opposite is likely to be true - Many moderating pheros will break down to at least some amount of None, so your proportion could well have risen.
Dude, you need to work on your game a bit more and ‘be in the moment’.
By you telling them you had to go find your buddy and NOT taking a photo with them you said, “No, go fuck yourself” just not in those words.
If you hung around, smiled and flirted you would have at the least got a number and at best took one of them home.
Also P83 does not regulate enone. The best regulator of enone is A1 or dienone.
Your mix was good because you got a massive hit, problem was you didn’t read the hit well enough to get it. No biggie, you learned a good lesson and move one.
Yup my game is absolutely awful. I don’t even know how to open up properly…
And yep, hopefully I’ll learn from this, but i need to improve my game somehow. A few months ago I was very impulsive, I just did whatever came to mind and that went pretty well. I took a 3 month break from going out and I’m pretty rusty.
I would have to recommend studying Mehow, he’s the only PUA that ever made any sense to me. He has a free channel on YouTube. Also if you really want to change your life around you may want to look at subliminal messages. I do this all the time (alpha male subliminal) from www.realsubliminal.com - I don’t recommend you go out and buy every album just look at the “Success with Women” series they have.
You’re young bro and you have time, keep your chin up.