Tacitus has done 100 mcg+ doses. Has anyone tried 300 mcg or more doses? Maybe something at the 1000mcg=1milligram level? Does everyone instantly OD? What about the pheros that dont seem to OD? EST, MEO-EST, P83, A1, androstenol? You think 50mcg is Spaceland? What about 5000mcg?
Intentionally OD on A1, a-nol and (quasi) rone a long while back. A1 made me smelled like feet. No depression on me. Females who didn’t tell me I stank were extra warm and fuzzy than normal.
I didn’t find too much of a difference between minor and major a-nol OD. Females were happy and nerotically chatty after they had settled down from the initial shock, which took a few minutes. Covering the scent was much easier than with A1, by the way.
Not much to write home about on A314 mutant OD. People weren’t scared of me or gave me more space than with a couple of drops of it. Kinda waste, really.
Haven’t tried the others. One thing for sure, I’m not keen on OD on EST; far too expensive to waste it.
MarkL has done a lot of good work with megadoses of pheromones if you follow the Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose thread in the ‘Pheromone Theory’ section of the forum. I have pasted in his excellent posts below…
Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose - #7 by MarkL (Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose - #7 by MarkL)
MarkL (August 2007):
“Sorry-go-round*. *Perhaps part of the OD (Pharmacodynamics - Wikipedia) phenomenon is expecting an OD phenomenon – which causes us to act in ways consistent with our expectations of what happens in an OD situation.
Rara avis*. The “rare bird”* phenomenon could also be operating: “Look at that guy giving off the weird vibe” (OD level of pheromones) in which people just stare at the source. Surprise, here’s someone with an unusual level of pheromones, and people notice, stop, and gawk.
Spotlight*. The high level of pheromones* puts everyone’s attention (or just the attention of someone special) on ~you~. Jealousy, and / or envy operate to generate competition. I want the attention, and so I get crabby – or gracious – or exotic – or whatever I think will compete well with ~you~. Your most basic social theory / territorial defense explanation.
Can’t help myself*. Wearing 500+ mcgs (or 1000+ mcgs) of pheros *I’ve had reactions that are best profiled as “the devil made me do it”: for example, being kissed goodnight by someone leaving a club that I hadn’t met before. At other times, I’ve noticed a “WTF? Why the hell am I attracted to ~him~?!?” reaction of self-doubt and bewilderment. Or more positively, “He’s different. I’ve never been attracted to someone like that; what do I do now?” When we provoke unexpected thoughts, feelings, and emotions in people, they might get upset or angry with us. Not everyone has an appetite for change or novelty.”
Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose - #10 by MarkL (Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose - #10 by MarkL)
MarkL (August 2007):
“I got onto the 500mcg event after being egged on by toilofday’s “challenge” to do ten full sprays of Spaceland (https://a314.com/) (alphanol).
So, I’ve also done:
500 mcg of alphanol/betanol mixed around 50-50 (4x Instant Honesty matched to Spaceland)
500 mcg of androstAnone and androstERone mixed 50-50
And then EST and Androstadienone. Tried 500 mcg apps of each individually, and tried them together (total 1000 mcg).
More later … going to reboot this before it crashes on its own.”
Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose - #12 by MarkL (Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose - #12 by MarkL)
MarkL (August 2007):
“ Pheromone Megadose
Pre-script: I’m skipping over all of the basic “yeah, I got a hit” stuff. The only proof you will ever get is from experimenting.
I think there are many people whose first response to artificial pheromones is … unguarded.
Remember, I’m quite a bit older than many of the experimenters on this forum, so consider what I’m saying in that context.
When a women in her 20’s or early 30’s smells something that’s “All right!” she can sometimes be surprised and in that surprise, a window opens. She just responds, apparently without a lot of noticing of my chronological age. I’ve got my “minimal working signature” of pheros for day-to-day. So perhaps I just have the right odors and pheros kicking to be able to capture her unguarded attention. (BTW, the same can apply to a man, with some minor differences.)
But the following day/night/week, she’s thought about it. And she’s prepared to **not **be so unguarded. Perhaps she’s doing a little or a lot of shit testing, perhaps she’s just looking for consistency, or she’s wary of her initial response. I can see from our interactions that she’s still responding to pheromones, but she’s actively controlling her response.
But the next time (or fourth or fifth, or whatever) we meet, I switch from one drop of A314 (A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314) and a spray of Spaceland, to a drop of A314 and ten sprays of Spaceland.
And then I feel like I can almost write the inner script she’s following verbatim: “WTF?” “I know, … I just don’t know.” “It’s like the first time I met him.” … and the end of the script is one of two things:
- (unfavorable) It’s creepy/scary and I’m going to keep an eye on him (me)
- (favorable) Screw controlling my reactions, I’m just going to enjoy this.
By my current count, it’s 35-13 favorable response for the occasional megadose of alphanol, alpha/beta mix, or AndrostAnone+AndrostERone mix. (*Will come back to EST (https://phera.com/)/Androstadienone later.)
So, it seems like a way to “push through” and get a decision to be open (or not open) to further interaction. I often get comments from guys my age curious about how it is that I get quality responses and attention from the ladies (and boys) ~they~ would like to hit on. (For the still doubtful, I think that’s the objective evidence validating that pheros do work: “What’s he got that I ain’t got?” from someone who cannot have a bias, because he doesn’t even know I’m using pheros.)
All of the above refers to using a megadose with someone who’s already accustomed to me and my usual phero-mix.
The responses from people who are meeting phero-soaked me for the first time are all over the map. I ~rarely~ get a negative vibe at all using any of the above megadoses; I get hilarity, quiet friendliness, stares and come-hither looks, hugs … and a lot of “notice my boobs” gestures. (Must be something in my posture that triggers that. )
Yes, all a little sharper and more pronounced, on average, than when I’m just wearing my minimal social mix. But there’s still more than half of people who have no rxn at all.”
Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose - #15 by MarkL (Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose - #15 by MarkL)
MarkL (August 2007):
All right. Glad to help, if my experience can be generalized. If anyone decides to try any of these megadose “events” out, I’ll be glad to hear your outcomes.
EST (https://phera.com/) and Androstadienone.
These are both pretty straightforward alone. 500 mcg of EST is probably a dose 50x of what’s needed to produce an effect, I suspect. I’ve even seen suggestions that NANOdoses of EST are effective (less than 1.0 mcg).
500 mu EST – hetero guys are mostly VERY mellow, some look at you a little funny, not quite a WTF? reaction, more of a “Hmm” and taking it in stride; hetero women are cool/indifferent; homogirls are curious and very friendly; homoguys have no discernable reaction.
500 mu Androstadienone – hetero guys are a little cranky, and it’s revealing to see how they communicate this (you can learn a lot about your male friends with a big dose of Androstadienone); women of both persuasions are warm and “happy to see you, you’re just what I needed” (but it seems to put them into an internal “me” focus); and homoguys have a gamut of reactions from “that’s interesting” to “OMG, it’s Madge* as a man”. Some Instant Shine and 10 mcg of Androstenone buffs this up with some fun and perhaps adds a bit of sexual drama, and seems to help pull women out of the internal focus.
500 mu EST + 500 mu Androstadienone + 3-5 sprays IS + 10 mcg Androstenone + 10 mcg Androsterone + 10 mcg Androstanone.
Still exploring this, responses are pretty much all over the map AFAIK. This gets ~some~ noticeable response from just about 95% of the world I travel in – servers and patrons in restaurants, bartenders and patrons in bars, folks in dance clubs, my “all lifestyles” circus bar, the gay disco, the straight disco … I can identify only two negative responses, and perhaps they were not responses to the pheros but just coincidence – from pure strangers, both times, females late 20’s - early 30’s who were DHV.
(Again, a reminder that as an official greybeard, I may be producing responses that a lad in his 20’s won’t get or would get much differently – people may just be F-ing surprised that a geezer has such a “big” pherosig.)
Here are some of the comments / responses I’ve heard:
- “He can’t figure out whether he’s straight or he’s gay” – 25-30m in gay disco (Hah!)
- “Are you really married? You seem more like a swinger. What does your wife think?” – 28-32f in dance club
- “Heya, Papi” – 45-55m Latino in circus bar
- “Heya, Papi” – 22-25f Latina in circus bar
- “Can I sleep with you tonight? Just sleep?” – 35-38f in local sports bar, head on my chest.
It would be tedious for you, and for me, to list all of the “bald” comments I’ve gotten.
Here’s a representative example, my very last interaction the last time out with this mix, I opened a young woman out with a transvestite boy; she’d (the girl, not the boy) done more than a bit of body sculpting – boobs were in the 40-JKL+ range, perhaps some collagen in the lips, cheekbones. I told her my wingman and I had a bet on her age, that one of us said she was 22 and the other 26. She countered that she wanted me to buy her a shot if she told, and I parried that “I never pay for information”, at which point she confessed to being 26. After some conversation, it seemed a reasonable conclusion that her body-concept was … pathological? well, scary, at least. (I think her plastic surgeon needs a spanking.) She then flirted with both of us at a distance for about an hour, and then approached and demurely inquired as to whether we might take her on a date ~together~. She was inquiring about a date that night (as all bars were closing), not at some time in the future.
And, for whatever reason, on a separate note, bartenders approve. After doing this particular megadose combo, four bartenders in different venues have put me on their “industry rate” list – 1/3 or 1/2 price on draft beer/cocktail orders (on drinks I buy for myself; if I order for someone else, I’m charged full price.) I don’t work in a bar, so …
Two bartenders at my “all lifestyles circus bar” now just make change and don’t take ~any~ payment from me: I “buy” (order) a tall stein of Guinness (retail $6), I lay an Andrew Jackson on the bar and they go to the register and come back with a ten, a five, and five singles. (BTW, I’m still leaving the price plus tip on the bar, but it’s kind of weird. Right?)
Lor! Any help here? WTF? Do you have some barkeeper wisdom to apply to the “industry rate” and “change back” deals?
Oh … and this is weird: policemen I know find it necessary to touch me when wearing this particular megadose, specifically, to pat me on the shoulder, or on the back. I don’t think there’s anything more to that than “a pat on the back”, but I find it curious, and if anyone has a thought on the how or why of it, I’d be much obliged.
Please remember YMMV; and drive your pheros safely.
- Madge = Madonna
Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose - #18 by MarkL (Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose - #18 by MarkL)
MarkL (September 2007):
“…A few nights ago I decide to stop in my favorite ‘all lifestyles circus’ bar on the way home from work. I pause outside and rustle through my rucksack … and all I find is EST (https://phera.com/) (50mcg/spray) and TAF(50mcg/spray) and -Androsterone 15mcg. I skip the -Androsterone and apply EST 8x50=400 and TAF 2x50=100 and I decide as I enter to be fairly self-contained in the bar:
- some quiet conversation with my barkeep buddy Chad
- browse a newspaper/magazine
- make some notes on a project
Nothing particularly goal-oriented; I’m passing time, waiting constructively. I’m not wandering around saying hello to people I know or introducing myself to strangers; the bar is a bit on the quiet side (pop<30) anyway. I’m observing people in the bar and make no secret of enjoying them as they do their thing; I’m not being reclusive or sending off ‘hermit signals’.
Except for trips to the bathroom or to get popcorn, I’m sitting in my own pherocloud next to the front service counter rather than leaving a trail. I’m quiet, sipping on a large stein of Bass Ale for an hour.
Then a four-set rocks in, two gay boys (Shaun, Brian) and two girls (Lisa, Jenya). Lisa is visiting from New York, and she decides I embody the best of Chicago. If you use a stopwatch, you can measure that over the next two hours the total time Lisa is ~not~ touching me is under one minute.
Ummm … no one that I know, not even the Kinsey scale 5.999 gay boys, would throw Lisa out of bed.
The kino is great; at one point she manages to brush both of her mamms across my cheek on the way to leaning over my lap to hug another boy, Dana, who joins late.
The housecleaning we do is mental; one after another critical topic is raised, inspected, sorted, dismissed: politics to religion to economy to social mores and anthropology.
She makes it a point to tell me twice about how a policeman stopped their group while she was skinny-dipping at the beach (after the park was closed) … and how she emerged, topless, and announced to the cop that if he was going to arrest her, he better know how to show her a good time with the handcuffs on.
The posse that arrived with her finally returns from the back bar (and pool tables) after about 90 minutes. They are in two modes – one is to rescue me (or Lisa) because Lisa is becoming progressively drunk, and the other, it seems, is to figure out why the hell she’s so engaged with me in the first place.
So Lisa tutors her friends on what they’ve been missing while they left her alone and too bad for them, it’s their loss. I observe that the front door to the place is only 35" wide, so please go easy on the ego inflating comments.
Now we evolve from Lisa-MarkL kino to a very fluid group hug. Brian gives me a shoulder rub that I’d have paid hard cash for, my toes curl; Shaun opens up and we’re all trading warm “open hand” touches – back, arms, chests/breasts, though Jenya is a bit more reserved. (I’ve not witnessed such a scene in this venue in three - odd years, let alone participated. Perhaps I’ve been visiting on the wrong days! This lasts for about two minutes, then spins away.)
The IOIs (Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose) are thick .. it’s like a group flirting convention, and casual bystanders are now being sucked into the vortex.
In any case, I did not foresee that the EST/TAF combo would generate such a strong hit. And one that I did virtually no work for. EST, I thought, was a “comfortable for guys” vibe, but apparently there’s more to it.”
Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose - #22 by MarkL (Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose - #22 by MarkL)
MarkL (September 2007):
“A fuzzy (?) technical correction … uhhhmmm … I just noticed that the TAF (https://pheromonelabs.com/) in my kit is 25 mcg per spray. So perhaps I did apply 100 mcg and for some reason concatenated the result into two sprays of 50 mcg … or else I sprayed 2x25=50, not 100.
Apologies, at this point I don’t know which; I’d just try it at different levels in the future, but since I ‘published’ this report, I figured a qualified dosing report might matter to someone.”
More on Mark’s wild megadose adventures comes to us from the aptly titled thread, No, no, no, NO! The girls are over ~there~…
No, no, no, NO! The girls are over ~there~ (No, no, no, NO! The girls are over ~there~)
MarkL (September 2007):
“My neighbor Harry lives down the hall. When I leave my apartment and turn the corner, at the end of the hall is Harry’s door.
Harry’s in his 20s and I guess more than a bit curious about me. Over three years he’s made it a point to converse with me, introduce me to his parents and friends, ask what nights I like to use the laundry … all in the scant minutes we’ve both happened to be arriving or departing the premises at the same time. He now knows I used to work for his company, a large consulting firm, and has tried to recruit me back into the fold.
Let me back up a bit and I’ll return to Harry. My boss, unexpectedly, decided to give me an extra day off today, one of those “on the spot” you-done-good rewards. So I decided I would use this extra day to get well and truly drunk. Consider it a spiritual purging exercise – I usually prefer one or two beers followed by bottled water. I haven’t been drunk in perhaps a couple of decades, though I haven’t been counting.
So, I really had no other social ambitions or goals, just wanted to approach the “euphorically intoxicated” level as the taxi delivered me home, not earlier. But I decided it would be fun to do a megadose adventure while I pursued a sweet oblivion that had not been earned, strictly speaking, from a karmic point of view.
Now, you should also know that there is only one bar in Chicago (that I know of) that pours top shelf liquor for $1 per drink on Tuesday nights. And it happens to be a gay leather fetish / biker bar, perhaps it’s the same one as in Madison Tate’s The “MAD TATER” Journal (The "MAD TATER" Journal)post (see #3), I can’t say. But the glasses are clean, and they unstintingly pour generous Bombay Sapphire Gin and tonic for a dollar on Tuesdays.
This bar is hardly one of my favorite places in the world. The bar manager/front bartender is an obnoxious person who I dislike for many reasons but who has become astonishingly obsequious to me since I started using Androtics products. My phero bomb should help me neutralize his fairly poisonous presence. The bar’s marketing for Tuesday draws a crowd of … well, drunks, mostly … and that’s not typically appealing to me. Offset that with the antics of gay leather/biker folks and it has some comic and tragic potential. I can always leave and pay more for my favorite gin elsewhere.
In any case, I decide to drink there, and I calculate my phero megadose adventure package based on my destination:
- 10 mcg of androstenone to navel,
- one drop of mutant A314 to chest
- 500 mcg of Androstadienone to chest and scalp,
- 350 mcg of alphanol to head hair,
- 40 mcg each of alpha and beta Androstenol to the back of my left hand.
- 20 mcg TAA oil to my upper lip, 40 mcg TAA oil to my neck,
- two sprays of Instant Shine 2x to my neck.
(If I’m going to get drunk, I, at least, will have a sense of fun about me while I do it.)
I shower up, and decide that as part of the spiritual exercise, I will walk the two and a half miles to this disreputable establishment. I can use the exercise in general, and a long walk also lets me work on a rhythmic pelvic/spinal balance.
I put on my clothes, decide to skip a shirt and wear a leather bomber jacket instead. Just before I walk out the door, on a whim, I decide to add another spray of 10 mcg (Microgram - Wikipedia) -none to my chest and jacket, but somehow my finger twitches and one spray (unconsciously) turns into two. (I’m now sporting 30 mcg of none.)
And then I immediately walk out the door, and turn the corner, and “Lo!” and “Behold!” whose door opens at the end of the corridor?
Harry’s.
Had you forgotten about Harry? He smiles when he sees me, but as I approach, he seems to get a little skittish.
(No drydown at all, my 20+ mcg (Microgram - Wikipedia) of -none is in his face, along with the rest of my pheroreek. I’d expected to walk for an hour or so before meeting anyone.)
And then, staying a few steps ahead of me down the cross hall to the elevator, Harry’s asking me, over his shoulder, if I’ve been to a new bar just a block away, another “welcome all sorts” venue … but he emphasizes “There are girls there, lots of girls.” Is it my imagination, or is there is slightly plaintive look in Harry’s face.
I’m afraid poor Harry had the idea that I might decide to mount him right there in the elevator, and he wanted to make sure that he was providing me with “reasonably convenient alternatives”.
'No, no, no, NO! The girls are over ~there~"
Reality is much stranger than fiction.”
No, no, no, NO! The girls are over ~there~ - #8 by MarkL (No, no, no, NO! The girls are over ~there~ - #8 by MarkL)
MarkL (September 2007):
“Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunya
did i read this right? Did you go to the bar in leather drag? I love it. And I’m sure you frightened the heck out of old boy. I’m guessing with the none and the bare chest you totally gave off a “leather daddy” vibe.
Jeans and an old leather jacket are perhaps the absolute minimum to ‘fit in’ in a bar like this one. I’d hold the “leather drag” sobriquet for some combination of leather jockstrap, bare-assed chaps, harness/halter/collar and vest or leather cop shirt … of which there were many examples that night. Add leather armbands, wristbands, etc…
I’m not sure I have the requisite … intensity? appetite? … for kinky dress to qualify as a leather daddy. I just don’t find leather clothing erotic in itself, unlike the ‘genuine article’ leather fetishist. So I’d guess I don’t really give off that vibe, or I’m not aware of doing so.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tisha23
Now there is one confident Alpha male.
Wish I could have seen the look on that guys face LOL. Great story. By the way did you have fun at the bar. Any hits you would like to report?
Tisha
Ummm, I wish I could take credit for some particular bravery or courage, but c’mon: guys who get hot over a leather garment or who sniff Lexol now and then aren’t exactly menacing. They have exactly the same kind of kink as a guy who needs to sniff a pair of panties or who feels compelled to look at photos of ladies’ forelegs in high heels. (Though I do clearly remember a time when people seemed to be on a mission to impress upon me that fetishists were evil and depraved.)
It seems to me that in the gay leather crowd those who go out of their way to look the most fearsome and intimidating are the “submissives” – it’s a kind of shit test for “tops” to make sure they will really … uh, truly kick some ass. (Whip some ass?)
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Originally Posted by Phoenix
I want to get that riding crop cologne…
Good point, Phoenix, I can never really distinguish between the bdsm enthusiasts and the pure leather fetishists, and for all I know, there’s a lot of crossover. Ass-kicking or whipping would be more bdsm; getting personal while wearing the leather gear would be more of a fetish thing.
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Originally Posted by Astrocloud
This story is so good. What happened at the bar?
Well, first of all, the loathsome, pissant bar manager was on vacation, and another bartender had the run of the front bar. He’s got an absolutely stellar A-1 reputation for discovering alternative music and it was his Ipod hooked into the bar sound system. I’ve gone out of my way to hear him DJ at other clubs / dive bars. The music ~was~ excellent…
So, just walking in the door my expectations shifted and became much more positive, upbeat. But my basic program was calculated to reach the euphoria / excitement threshold of intoxication and … do a little screwing with people’s heads pheromonally while getting fuzzy.
The evening turned out to be fairly mellow, and my series of gin and tonics let me lazily circle down into mostly alpha-wave, just a little sensorily-challenged consciousness, with slightly “bigger” gestures and feeling. just. fine.
Ok, the phero ‘hits’ were mostly mundane, and run down like this:
- The bartender/DJ couldn’t decide for about 20 minutes whether or not to chat me up; finally he stopped to talk and when we found a friend we had in common (in the alt music scene) he got comfortable and settled into pouring. It was the “should I chat or not?” pacing back and forth that I count as a hit … in other circumstances I’d think he’d just walk up to anyone and talk or ask whatever was on his mind.
- A fellow who sat down to my immediate left clearly was under the combined influence of the alphanol megadose to the hair as well as the a-b mix on my left hand. He talked fairly non-stop for about an hour, made a few surprising disclosures (surprised ~him~, from the look on his face) then seemed reluctant/hesitant to leave. I think I could have converted this into a liaison, but I had other intentions/business.
- Another fellow who arrived later paused his rapid drink consumption to come down the bar and tell me how much he liked my boots (nothing admirable, not “Docs” or any of the other standard fetish boots, as I’m aware of them) and would like to have the opportunity to lick them. I regretted to decline what I took to be an invitation for some private time to attend my boots, but allowed that he was welcome to lick to his heart’s content while I was there drinking at the bar … at which he paused, uncertain, then seemed sad and then returned to his drink. (I was close to my last G&T at that point, and I guess my reply was … perhaps a little cruel. But not, apparently, out of order, and given serious consideration.)
A few other IOIs (No, no, no, NO! The girls are over ~there~) but nothing distinctive or remarkable. There was some loud, boisterous “tag-you’re-it” play among a group that might have been evoked by the alphanol, or at least the loud talk might have been. Inconclusive.
PS: Glad you enjoyed the narrative, regrets that “the rest of the story” doesn’t match that one moment when it seemed Harry was desperately trying to find a girl, any girl, to throw in front of me. I’m truly curious to see what our next meeting in the hallway brings …”
m3turbo reported earlier in the year of his experience when ‘wearing like half a milligam of Androsterone’ - that’s 500 mcg so that qualifies as a monster dose I guess…
Grossest Hit in the World (Grossest Hit in the World)
m3turbo (May 18, 2007):
“ Grossest Hit in the World
I just got back home from college about three days ago . Yesterday I received an order for some lab grade Androsterone. I read on some of the threads that high doses of Androsterone give you a buzz and make you feel pretty good. So I put on a lot of Androsterone to try to induce this buzz . I ended up wearing like half a milligram of Androsterone. I did not notice too much of a buzz or a huge difference in the way people treated me. But later that night my mom asked my Dad in the middle of the living room at about 6pm if he wanted to go take a shower with her right in front of me . I was really repulsed by this. My mom would never ever say something like this in front of me . I was so scarred by the ordeal that I did not stop to think why this happened. I absolutely believe that it was because of the Androsterone I was wearing . I am a firm believer in the power of androsterone now.”
I spilled most of a bottle of Scent of Eros when removing the top. It was on a vinyl floor so I wiped the spilled joy juice on my nekid body and went to a Korean strip club. Had a great time with motormouth strippers and a few DIHLs. One of them stopped dancing, sat down on stage and talked to me for hour: confessions, life story, the works. A lot more than I needed or wanted to hear. She was befuddled as to her behavior but couldn’t stop. I also had a good buzz, something I never get with normal doses. Scent of Eros contains 5mg of pheromones (4 androstenol to 1 androsterone), so I probably was wearing 3 mg (3000 mcg) or so.
Tater has noticed that 500 mcg of EST is a monster for attracting women but very unreliable. Havent been able to temper the scent of 500mcg (10x) Spaceland. Maybe the next time i have an injury and put on Ben-Gay…
Visionary you are a phero research machine! Rep points to ya!
That’s odd. EST is a female mone mainly known to relax men and help them bond with women. Androstadienone is the men’s counterpart and certainly does a great job relaxing and mellowing out females. I can’t say I’ve noticed any effects whatsoever on women while donning any dose of EST. Actually I was hoping it would mellow me out and got zip there as well.
Might be an interaction? EST works more strongly on men for me but SOME women respond heartily. I get touches and attempts at protecting me from both men and women with EST. Only 1/10 women respond but the ones that do are obvious. They want to cuddle and lean on my shoulder.
Maybe Gegogi should try EST near children. It definitely has an effect.
Another worthy addition to this thread. Tama seems to bathe in Instant Honesty…
Tama1981K (October 2007):
“I have instant honesty 4x and believe me when I say I have gone as far as spraying myself 3 times which equals out to a total of 12 full sprays of instant honesty. I have had people come up to me and tell me their whole life story without even me initiating conversation. It affects bolth men and women and even children. I have a lot of fun with it…fun because it even causes people to say things they were subconciously thinking about but did not mean to say. I have found out a lot more information than I needed to know sometimes. Even so it has turned out to have an advantage in some cases..girls actually revealing with they were really thinking…I feel so devious when wearing this stuff. I am not worried about the effects it has on me…as I use the direct and honest approach to females.
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Tama1981K (October 2007):
“…How receptive are you to meeting new people? When your with people you know is conversation really flowing? I have found most people will blurt something out when conversation is just flowing. Most people approach me and start talking because I have learned how to make myself seem more receptive to being talked to. Are you smiling at all? Holding yourself with confidence? Are you making eye contact? Do you know most reactions from pheromones are suttle at first and become more apparent as you get used to them? Did you know instant honesty will not work if someone is REALLY trying to hide something from you. I know I am asking a lot of questions but I am trying to figure out exactly whats going on with your particular situation. It may just be that your looking too hard for a reaction from someone and when it dose happen you miss it because you were so focused on the reaction. It could also be that your not around your target long enough for the pheromones to cause any type of reaction…it affects different people at different rates..even at the 2x or 4x level. Some are almost instantly caught by its effects and for some it takes a while. I find the DIHL effect happens on rare occasions but when it dose…look out!!! these people will do ANYTHING to keep you around…even start lying again. I hope this helps some…if not PM me and we will see where your problem lies. One thing I hate more than wasted time is wasted pheromones. ”
Well I’m game and been meaning to try it: So this Thursday (I have day off) I will try 500mcg of P83. A girlfriend of mine will be in town. She’s the perfect nerdy candidate. I’ll update later.
Tater frequently uses 4 sprays of Instant Honesty 4x (16x total). Im not so sure i would try P83 at 500 mcg without an incredible cover scent. Steveo would have the funk, the whole funk and nothing but the funk otherwise.
Sounds like a really cool experiment Steveo! You will be going where no man has gone before with that kind of dosage . If I have a choice though I would prefer that you use 250 mcg of this molecule with your girlfriend and 250 mcg on a night out sarging. Then you could compare 250 mcg vs 30-60 mcg in both environments. I haven’t heard of a huge funk problem with P83 but perhaps at higher dosages one will appear - perhaps you could just use your regular cologne cover if that is a problem…
Along with the mad biscuit man,
Quicksilver was another one who used massive amounts of Instant Honesty (below he says 3 to 6 sprays - that’s 12-24 regular strength sprays). He definitely got some mad secrets out of people with that kind of dosage (as you would expect) but the driver of the car he was in must have had a hard time concentrating with that much IH flying around 
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Hello??? - #2 by Quicksilver (Hello??? - #2 by Quicksilver)
Quicksilver (April 4, 2007):
“…Oh, and instant honesty (Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314) is too much fun to miss out on, but get it at crazy strength (4X or more) in ammo scent. Mwah ha haa. You will learn SO much it’s not even funny. Just be determined to keep YOUR lips zipped so you you’ll have money for more phero purchases. If you don’t, all your money will be going to blackmailers.
Cheers,
Quicksilver…”
Hello: Do I exist here, or did I OD? (Hello: Do I exist here, or did I OD?)
Quicksilver (April 7, 2007):
“…I don’t have a threshold yet, but I have Instant Honesty (Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314) unscented 4x and have used 3 or 4 sprays. (Equivalent to 12 or 16 regular for you math neanderthals) However, I would do it under clothing or use it to defuse the intensity of sexual mixes. What if you used Come Talk To Me Mix 2 with Instant Honesty?
I’ve worn it in the car for hours and people BOND. I mean they take turns spilling their own dirty laundry - for hours - like you wouldn’t believe. Myself, I keep my lips zipped, which they appreciate because it gives them more time to spill their guts.
Cheers,
Quicksilver
P.S. that last paragraph sounds like a testimonial, don’t it?”
Instant Honesty, it's real effect - #3 by Quicksilver (Instant Honesty, it's real effect - #3 by Quicksilver)
Quicksilver (May 13, 2007):
“…funny you mention this … I was thinking about posting this morning about Instant Honesty (Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314)… I have 4x unscented that is fun to wear in a car.
So I was doing that a month or so ago, and the others in the car were:
a blabber mouth, who is always rude, insulting, and throws the things you blurt out back at you at the most inopportune time. No social tact.
a mother and daughter, who have had a very hard life.
a new person we don’t know very well.
me.
So the mother out of the blue starts talking about how someone molested one of her other daughters and she felt like she couldn’t turn the person in to the authorities for personal reasons even though she hated him. (She never named names)
She was silent for a few minutes, and then said “I really didn’t mean to say that, I’m very sorry. Please forget I said that, ok? I never meant for that information to get out.”
The (normally) blabbermouth had done a 180, was very respectful, promised to not mention it, and hasn’t brought it up since, even to any of us who were in the car that day.
I’ve wondered if inhaling Instant Honesty makes you mature enough to handle secrets, and that others sense THAT in your voice and body language, leading to being trusted with secrets.
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Quicksilver”
Instant Openess or Come Talk To Me (Instant Openess or Come Talk To Me)
Quicksilver (July 8, 2007):
“…Well, I have a bottle of 4X Instant Honesty (Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314), unscented, and I’ll easily spray 4 to 6 sprays on my chest.
The result: People riding in a car with me start comparing the skeletons in their closets, basically. I’ve learned all any psychologist ever wanted to know. And surprisingly, everyone’s mature about it and never repeats the other people’s dirt once they leave the car, apparently.
Maybe it’s mutually assured destruction.
In any case, when someone starts talking about their skeletons, I think, holy crap, there goes good ol’ Instant Honesty!
And make a firm resolve to not say a word for the next 3 hours. So much to learn, and so much to lose .
Cheers,
Quicksilver”
Setting for new experiment - #26 by Quicksilver (Setting for new experiment - #26 by Quicksilver)
Quicksilver (August 10, 2007):
“…On another note, I’m starting to wonder if I seriously produce Instant Honesty (Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314) 24/7. Or if repeated exposure is changing the dynamics of the relationships I have with people around me. It’s like: “Hey, let’s cut the crap and be frank and intimate. Life is what it is… We all know each other’s dirt anyway.”
It’s refreshing to be around honest people, you know…”
Todays the day I’ll report back in after the day how I survived 500 mcg of P83
Survived? Did you faint from the smell and spend the rest of the day sprawled on the floor?
So man anything to report or did I miss it?
Visionary
No in actuality something more important than a deliberate overdose came up that day and subsequent days after. I still plan to test. I’ve been Phero clean for two whole days now so tomorrow might be the perfect day to test.
I’ll keep you posted.
Steveo’s P83 megadose trial is pasted in below… maybe this putative just isn’t suitable to be used at such wild dosages 
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My Brain Is Bleeding Into My Skull Causing Total Insanity
steveo (October 2007):
"MEGA DOSE TRIAL # 1
The molecule: [(Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314) to the face I started to go blurry and felt at first maybe some of it went into my eyes. Wait I had them closed. OK so why is it that while they’re open everything is hazy and what are sparks coming from my walls for?
Then of course there was all the commotion in my bedroom and the funny thing was when I finally made it there I was alone. It was like there was a celebration going on with all the horns but obviously just in my head. I don’t remember much about much last night. I do have some random gibberish that was written in my phero journal I keep with me. I think it looks like UFOs beaming me up to space.
I woke up this morning with a splitting headache, alone, confused and with a bowl of creamy tomato soup by my bed with crackers. Although it didn’t look like it was eaten at all and I cannot remember even making it.
If it wasn’t raining out tonight and a lovely friend wasn’t coming by to keep me company I would record a retry episode on video and sound. Oh well I’ll try again another time.." (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314)