Hello all

I’m a soon to be 30 year old man, living in California. I originally was informed about human pheromones in general by my dad who said a buddy of his sprayed him with some at work and the ladies were all over him. This peaked my curiosity as my dad is generally a die hard skeptic of things that sound to good to be true. This pretty much inspired me to research the topic on the internet and your site came up repeatedly as the best and most legit source.

After reading on these forums about the different products, combinations and what not I was a bit overwhelmed, fortunately for my wallet the decision of what I would order was made easy by a lack of availability of several products I was looking at :slight_smile:.

As for descriptions of myself that is kind of hard for me. When I was younger I was often told by female friends that I was a nice guy, best buds the old friend zone was were I always landed back then. I was also not very confident (though not defeated, more a lack of confidence due to a lack of meaningful interactions maybe… was kind of a space case/ fantasy land kid always had my nose in a book when I wasn’t doing water polo or swimming) My friends would point out chicks a tell me that they were digging me and why did I not respond? My usual answer was “what chick? when?” Which usually ended up with my laughing friends wondering how I was ever going to get laid… which fortunately was not too long it just took a girl who was… to be nice… a friendly girl, friends with whoever struck her fancy… and quite a take charge attitude :wink: After that, interest peaked I started trying to pay a bit more attention and still found myself completely unable to notice signs of interest towards me which my friends claim are obvious.

Noting the friend zone I kept landing in, and douchebag dudes landing the girls I decided I was too nice and had to roughen it up a bit. I practiced for awhile and I got better, I was able to notice some signs of interest if they were blatant enough (E.G. touching their own legs or mine while conversing, moving in very close to whisper to me when it was unnecessary, actually telling me I was attractive or other obvious things).

Basically in the love life area I have had several random one night stands (always involving me and sometimes the girl being quite intoxicated) and multiple successful friends with benefits (successful in that regard being that whether we still have sex occasionally we remain friends) never ever a LTR or even close to being in love.

I read several people talking about figuring out your pheromone profile which was interesting however I frequently get or have gotten what seems like both responses, I get the friend zone still occasionally though rarer now that I have embraced the inner asshole in some ways, mostly strict honesty not purposefully brutal but I do admit to not thinking before I speak and having an abhorrence of political correctness. In addition to the strict honesty I also now attempt to avoid the friend zone and compensate for my utter inability to realize that someone is flirting with me by becoming a shameless flirt with everyone, starting off playfully and ramping it up incrementally until they seem to start getting uncomfortable (which fortunately I am good at noticing, only been accused of sexual harassment once and it was the bitchy chick at work… strangely the only one I never hit on because she was such a grouch. The other skill I tried to master while learning to be more of an asshole was to hide any tendencies that did not fit my conception of “cool dude” After finding that it is pretty much impossible to hide only some of your facial reactions I ended up having to hide everything and just fake the effects I was looking for This ended up being the skill I mastered the best of the new set (the lack of any reactions or emotions, still not that great at faking them, just hiding)…

After changing somewhat to the asshole I got laid more but still nothing meaningful or honestly even that interesting. I was on cruise control in this mode trying to fine tune it but the last year has totally upended my whole life and I have been fighting off the blues ( my brother shot himself through the head Aug 7 2009, a week later my dog died and now another of my closest friends (one of the aforementioned F.W.B.) died of accidental overdose two weeks ago. My last year is reminding me of a sad country song… though I have yet to wreck my truck. knocks on wood Changing my surroundings seemed like a good idea so I moved back to my home town and returned to college.

This is quickly becoming a auto biography which I want to avoid. I suppose IF my friends are to be believed my problems in descending order or severity are

#1 Lack of ability to interpret signs of interest. Though according to forums men mistake women for giving signs of interest that don’t exist I seem to have the opposite problem I have to be clued in by someone else (which still does not work sometimes) or the woman must be very direct.

#2 I am in the habit of hiding all feelings, all the time, part defense mechanism in general, mostly habit as this point as I recognize it now as being self-defeating and am trying not to do it. I get told I am intimidating and/or cold when I am not paying attention or concentrating on work or study. People sometimes seem to think I have mood swings since when I am not actively engaged ,IE Trying, with them I apparently give off little to no signals. I am called a “robot” frequently, though usually only by those who know me fairly well. I have had many many different women admit to being utterly confused by me and even had one ask me if I was gay once due to my total lack of reaction to her supposedly obvious and repeated signs of interest@!

#3 Depression is still a hurdle some days, though this one seemed to be getting better up until two weeks ago. I am hoping and figuring this one will solve itself eventually. As long as loved ones don’t keep dying on me :frowning::angry:

#4 In working on portraying self confidence I occasionally give off conceited instead. Funny to me but, meh.

This website interested me because I am intrigued by science (even possibly majoring in it if I can handle some math… something I never even bothered to try before and I want to experiment with these effects. I dunno from the description of the products I think I would find more success attempting doping myself up with some kind of confidence booster or maybe that one that made people overly honest so if I am talking to someone who is interested they give the more obvious signals or something i dunno.. what do you all think?

FYI I already did my first order and got the A314, IO double strength, and TUTH standard strength. There were a couple I eyeballed that were out of stock… any thoughts on things I should add and/or try?

Welcome to the forum.

I am so sorry for your recent losses. I can only imagine how hard that could be.

You can pretty much find resources on IOI’s with books from David DeAngelo, Vin DeCarlo (Personally read those two) and Mystery Method. Jasmin has a sticky in the Men’s forum showing IOI’s and differences in telling them apart. Just like with any ability, it takes time and practice. You may or may not realize it now but your body picks up on these signs it’s just you have to hone your senses to help you find them.

Feelings and psychology on why you’re like that can be helped with some of the books out there. Again I can only say from experience but Tony Robbins have helped me in that respect. It’s also not taboo now that you can see an occupational therapist, a psychologist to discuss these. Most of these issues are probably going to be private which is best left one on one and not on an open forum.

Depression sucks, it happens unfortunately and it’s hard to deal with it. Personally, from experiences, I would go see a professional for it. The help I got from my therapist was paramount and worked well with the self help I was also practicing.

For your portrayal of self confidence, it’s hard to do it because it’s about body language and voice inflection and tone. One thing that is off and you can come off as being too cocky or conceited. For me I just found it through trial and error what worked and what didn’t. Not advisable because you will end up pissing people off. However it’s about communication and understanding which got me through that.

You have pretty much great products already A314 should help you with everything you listed above. Also I prefer IH when it comes to more intimate situations like dates or close group settings. I’ve also used IO, I really like it and it’s a great ice breaker. Most new users use TUTH too quickly. I always say wear the socials first A314/IO/IS/IH/IG/AMMO before using any of the Androstenone heavy based products like TUTH and IJ because its a better first impression with them. -none heavy products can work very well for you but personal experiences it’s been a hit or miss for me.

Thank you for the kind words, I did read the sticky on IOI’s you mentioned, good stuff that. Some things I have read before others were new to me. The IOI’s are something I seem to be slowly getting better at noticing. Hopefully I will get into some kind of positive feedback loop to replace the negative one I have been in recently. In terms of the depression I am both too poor and too proud for any more help. I also think perhaps the wording was bad as I don’t think I am depressed in the clinical sense of depression. Sad and angry and having one hell of a shitty year, but depressed I think gives the wrong idea as that usually is used for someone battling feelings like this long term. Besides I have great friends and family to rely on and talk to. that problem I am confident will fix itself, though I was willing to accept some help if Pheros had any to offer :slight_smile: Perhaps they will lead to some encounters to take my mind off serious matters, that would be a definite plus…

I am glad to see the ones I set up were good choices I was interested in that IH that you mentioned but it was one of the ones out of stock I think also ammo was out of stock which also sounded interesting.

Also I was planning on using the TUTH either next date I am on or perhaps see how much easier it makes the bar hopping 1 night stand efforts. Also I have an almost perverse joy in messing with my friends so I was going to apply it when I go visit some long time female friends, both ones I have slept with in the past and those I have not. Not to get laid so much as a testing ground to see if they start acting strangely/differently. That I might not do though depending on the reactions that I get in strangers/ partners

I also have to work on my closing skills I have had a couple conversations while working which were perfect, them noticing me and me noticing they noticed, flirting etc and me misplacing their contact info later or worse yet forgetting to even get it because I was having too much fun lol.

This definitely seems like an interesting forum and I am looking forward to spending some more hours poring through it.

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