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Hello everyone, my name is Andrew. I am a 21 year old male living in San Antonio TX. I am 6’3, runners athletic build with hair that varies from light brown, red, to blond depending on the season and my blood type is AB-.

I recently started research into making myself more appealing to women, using my past as a reference. I was always "the friend’ or “the brother” to most women I socialized with, which resulted in a meteor shower of conversations regarding their relationship problems, the guys they liked, and what they could do to fix their current relationship issues.

I am not that great at meeting women because I have a very passive/relaxed personality mixed with a bit of shyness, and a pinch being weird. My main issue is initiating conversation. Based off of past experience, I have learned that I am a socially awkward person when it comes to first impressions. This makes it difficult for that second meet to occur. However once a girl gets to know me, we become great friends…which is my main problem. Sure having friends is great, but lets face it, after a few hundred it kind of gets redundant…that and most guys have my sexuality in question due to the number of women I have as friends.

Now, my main purpose for this research is to not only make striking up conversation less uncomfortable for me but also less awkward for the girl I am interested in. I mostly just want a girlfriend, but the occasional (or consistent) intimate encounter would also be something I could get used to.

I have been single for almost 4 years now since my last 3 year relationship ended with the girl cheating on me 3 times while I was in basic training for 6 1/2 weeks. Ever since then I have been “on the market” so to speak. All in all though, I have 32 attempts (its probably sad that I keep track) under my belt, only one of which has resulted in anything. To my dismay, it is again just the “friend/brother” type of relationship I have dealt with so many times in the past.

To wrap this all up however…

I am not specifically looking for “girls to rape me on the couch” as I have read in another post, but I would most certainly not have a problem with that. I am mainly looking for something to get women to A: Look at me, B: Have comfortable conversations with me, and C: Get that oh so rare second meet I have the hardest time achieving.

My usual hang out spot is a bar where I go to have my favorite drink, Crown Royal with a splash of coke. Most of the waitresses are young, between 18 and 25, all of which I am on a name to name basis with. They are the easiest to start conversations with, after all you are generally the one paying them.

I am not very picky when it comes to women that attract me, however smarter women between the heights of 5’5 to 6’0, no preference of hair color, and between the ages of 20-27 with a slender to more Rachael Ray body types are what catch my eye the most (Yes I have a crush on Rachael Ray, the body/raspy voice make me cave).

I hope all of the information I have given is useful in some way, if any more is required, simply ask me. I am a book, all you need to do is turn the page.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and for any helpful insight as to improving my current “on the market” situation :smiley:

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Hey Andrew and welcome to the forums.

I can tell you that a lot of us have been there before. Its hard because most of us are nice guys with good intentions. Being so nice, the chances are so high many of us have gotten into the dreaded friend zone. Over and over again you hear about the idiots that break these girls hearts, and you’re there and wonder why the heck do they put up with it.

Well its cause it’s attraction. Women can’t help it and they’re just oblivious to the fact that nice guys would probably treat them better. BUT they know deep down inside that’s what they want, but you can’t act on it when you can’t build attraction from the opposite sex. I’ve gone through books and many many painful times going out, but in the end, it’s definitely worth it. A few I can recommend is Vin DeCarlo, David DeAngelo, and if you read around the forum you’ll notice some others like Mystery Method, the book “The game”. There are also numerous posts on this forum by the likes of Steve, Radman, thegentleman, myself, and others that detail some of our experiences. The good thing about here is that you will be able to get both the support for mones and social dynamics and pickup.

As for the products itself, over and over again AMMO has always come through for me, its just spray and go, it really is the most subtle yet effective product that AD has to offer.

As you mentioned before you know that there isn’t going to be the AXE effect or girls jumping on you and raping you. It just won’t happen. However, with the right mindset, and pheromones that complement you, you’ll be able to go out there and increase your chances. There is nothing that is 100% guarantee except for failing to try.

Because you’re younger also, I would go with Instant Gentleman, and Instant Shine and CTTM. Those help boost social interactions when it comes to going out and partying.

Instant Gentleman will give you that warm charismatic vibe that goes very well with someone in your position. AMMO would turn up the interaction into something more than friendly. Instant Shine gives the effect of a cheerful mood which just makes the interaction more fun. CTTM will essentially help bring out peoples conversation and yourself alike.

Here is a guide to help get you started with everything.

Steve made a great writeup on how to find your sweet spot and toilofday will help you understand the molecules and jargon around the forum.

Welcome again and good luck.

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Thank you for the welcome, and the feedback Mustang. I think I will probably start off with AMMO and IG. I want to see how they effect me, and how effective they are in an open area before jumping in head first, just to test the waters ya know?

Thanks again!

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Hey welcome to the forum. Great information about yourself. I think P51 hit it on the head with his recommendation. Instant Gentleman will definitely help you with establishing yourself and relationships for the long term. In general it will make you more interesting and help keep you out of the friend zone. Ammo is a great attractant. Instant Shine is a great way to polish yourself. Makes things more fun.

I think you definitely need a social mone. CTTM is a mix between IO and IH. This is a great way to get conversations going. For you however I would recommend IO over CTTM. It sounds like women already find it easy to share deep thoughts with you which is what IH would help with. IO will help break the ice and start conversations. It’s more of a flirty pheromone.

Enjoy. Make sure you tell us how it goes and feel free to ask questions.

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Hi Andrew, welcome to the forum!

You’ve gotten some great advice from the guys. Ammo, IG and CTTM would be perfect for you to start with. :slight_smile:

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Thank you all again for the advice. Ill be sure to put it to good use.

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“I am mainly looking for something to get women to A: Look at me, B: Have comfortable conversations with me, and C: Get that oh so rare second meet I have the hardest time achieving.”

I’m new to this forum. I bought this stuff to see if my girlfriend would be more interested in sex. Indeed, she had a noticable change instantly. Asked me what my cologne was again (I just told her it was some other stuff I used to wear and couldn’t remember the name) and overall the smell of TUTH is excellent in my opinion.

Women never used to even LOOK at me, and I noticed this wasn’t form looks (I watched in bars and other places to see if other men that I considered better looking to see if they were getting looks - yes they were, but very very rare). I’ve also had women approach me (which never EVER happens), and even if it’s something innocent like “where’s the cereal in this grocery store?” …Well, I know it’s game on. I’ve been picking up with Mystery Method for years now and have enough social intuition to know when it’s on. Also, strangely enough, a gay dude hit on me (which never EVER happens either). So, all this stuff within a couple days of spraying it - more looks, more smiles, female approaches, girlfriend initiating sex, compliments on the smell of it, and…alas, gay dudes too.

Point is. This stuff won’t get you laid like some magic potion, but I do see where it makes things easier. I can think of girls in the past that smelled like heaven - I didn’t want to just marry them instantly or whatever…but I did wish they’d stick around. That’s probably about the same effect of what’s happening here too.

Regardless, it’s cheap enough to keep buying this stuff for life (you’re gonna be wearing cologne forever anyway), and it’s effective enough to make you not need to consider other phermones or regular colognes.

Excellent product.

PS - The cologne I wore before this that got compliments on was about a $60 a bottle cologne. TUTH works the same or better, except for the longevity of the smell (TUTH wears off a little faster I think).

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Welcome to Pherotalk Blackfyre!

You are on a good start. Dressing nice and looking good, wearing pheromones are all steps to getting or impressing ladies but it takes more than that.

Ladies are treating you like because you are giving them the opportunity and in life and it goes for all of us that if someone allows you to take advantage of them most likely you would.

You may think about it twice because of your personality but it’s something that just comes naturally to most of us.

You got to let the ladies know you won’t be there forever and you are not gonna jump up and be there anytime they call or you will become the pushover that they will continue to put in the friends zone.

Go over to the men’s section they will assist you stepping up your game with the ladies.

Your gc was issued. :cool:

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Well, I got my shipment today. Going to give it a try and let you all know how it goes. Thanks again!