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Hello

This is really interesting, free phero suggestion with a gift certiticate, cool.

Well, my story, .. I have used “The Edge” from a different vendor, with no luck, the only thing it got me, was into a fight. Later I read I could compete with other alfa males :angry:

I’m 31, good looking, masculine, thin, white, of mexican race with spanish and arabic blood. white skin, brown eyes & hair. I live in a very dry and hot place.

My issue… My girl loves me, but does not find me atractive, no fire here. She has stated that she loves the relationship, but there’s no fisical attraction. :frowning:

So I’m interested in trying your store/products this time. What do you recommend?
She has no effect with “The Edge”

thanks looking forward to this

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Hi Tonka, and welcome to the boards.

The Edge, if I’m not mistaken, relies on the black knight of pheromones, androstenone, to deliver an unapologetically sexual message. If your girl isn’t responding to the 'none in Edge, maybe you ought to try looking at it from another angle.

Many women I know have said that they are sexually attracted to a guy not because he’s sexy in the usual sense - money, looks etc, but because he’s good to be around, he’s social, makes them laugh etc. Try the social pheromones first - Honesty, Openness, maybe a hint of Alpha A314.

She might fall for you again - in a different way. Good luck.

Musk

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Welcome.

Read over the stickies at the top of the men’s forum, get a feel for what the various products do, consider your personality and that of your girlfriend, and make some guesses. Come back here with your guesses and why you made them and you’ll get some good feedback.

Androtics has quite a backlog right now so an order may take quite a while to fill. They just moved and are training new staff.

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Hi Tonka

The Edge and one of its ingredients None can cause aggression in other males. It can also irritate the hell out of women depending on where they are in their cycle. It can also totally overwhelm younger women who aren’t quite confident enough to deal with a full-on unapologetically sexual “man” (rather than boy" energy.

However - to steal Geoggi’s phrase - it can have a tendency to make older ladies (such as me) pop out of the woodwork and chase you (but I think Geoggi said “bite you in the bum” rather than “chase you”.)

You have to get the amounts right - it’s potent stuff. How much none (Edge) were you using and - if I can ask - what is the approximate age and race of your lady. (It does make a difference for example I have read here that Asian ladies seem not to like none as much but really dig the nols.)

If you give a little more info it will be easier for the more experienced guys here to say what has worked for them. :slight_smile:

Welcome again :slight_smile:

may

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Hi & Welcome Tonka!

I agree with May, edge is a effective product. It sounds like you were using a lot, less might come in handy while you’re waiting for your Androtics purchases. Try just a dab or two with a nice cologne. Is it a bottle or gel pack?

The social products will give you a nice comfy and connected feeling. Instant honesty would be a good choice.

Enjoy!

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Hello again

thanks for the kind replies. I am really intested in this one.

I’ve read and read and read the stikies.(as told) I’d like suggestions before I mention my interests.

I barely use The Edge, instead of using the spray, I un screwed it and pressed two times the lenght of the spray tubing as a swab.
But it has not worked for me. :frowning:

She is 24, very hard female, she finds it hard to express feelings, or do/have a nice detail or touch. Se is white race mexican too. very pretty, long time with out a relationship, we’ve been on for several months, and she’s falling, but frankly tells me she does not find the spark to ignite. We’d been friends for years before being a couple.

I’d like to turn this thing around. What do you guys/gals recommend?
thanks again.

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Hello Tonka Welcome to the forum :slight_smile:

This part is very very helpful. Use less None and more socials.

Get yourself some Instant Honesty. It helps promote more in depth intimate communication. I would also suggest AMMO which has none in it but is buffered well with other things. This one is a sexy attractive mix without being overbearing like The Edge.
Instant shine is also a good product as a buffer and mood enhancer that you may want to consider.

You mention that she has been a long time without a relationship. Does she have trust issues or has she been hurt in the past. If so I wanna suggest a Androsterone type product. I am thinking Instant Gentleman. It gives off a trusting comfortable reliable aura.

Now dont go running out there and throwing your Edge away. There are still ways to use it. Is it unscented? Either way get some atomizors. You can buy them at LS if thats the other vendor or in most drug stores. Put your favorite cologne in there and add about 3 or 4 drops of the edge and shake it up and use it that way with some social buffers like Instant Honesty or shine. You may find you need more edge in there but start slow and work up to find your correct dosage. No need to mix IH or Instant Shine in the atomizer just spray them on first.

Tisha

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Hello again

So we are looking at:
Instant Honesty, Instant Shine, AMMO, A314 maybe?
We have intimate communications, she tells me stuff she does not tell others, there’s some trust. (well personal, not intimate, dependes on what you mean) She is frank and to the point. I need to soften her up, by working my charm. I want the female and experienced males, opinions on how the find the attractiveness that she says I lack. Oddly enough, all her friends find me attractive, and have never had a similar problem with this.
darn.. this is :frowning:

So should we go the social “make her comfy” route, or spice things up route?
Your thought and opinions are greatly appreciated
best wishes
Tonka

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I am trying to get a girlfriend, a better one than i have now so any suggestions on which pheros i use. Notice hear, I am cheap aka cheapness. so think cheap.

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I am still pondering this Tonka. Did you buy the edge because she said she didnt find you attractive or did that happen after.

I am leaning towards the socials and Ammo.

I think Ammo which is a good all round product with buffers. Its a sexy mix but not as pushy as The edge or TUTH.

I would suggest getting Instant Shine and using them together. Shine will make it light and fun and sort of give it that “we just met” thrill back without making her uncomfortable. Put it this way its spicy without burning your tongue. :wink:

Now if this is to much info to give out just say so ok.

Is she cranky or does she say more things like the “not attracted to you” comments around her period. Women will say things they dont mean around that time. If so consider IFM. Just get a small bottle and only use it to the back of your neck when needed and it should last a long time.

IH I am thinking you should use that and sit down and have a nice talk. Ask her why she thinks there is know attraction. If its something SIMPLE you may be able to work on it. This combined with the mones should do the trick.

So AMMO, Instant Shine and IH

Tisha

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Hello Tisha

thanks for your time

Actually The Edge, I had from before. I use it sometimes and use it light.

We’ve been friends for years, and went couple some 4 months ago. So we talked about eeevverrything.. I actually know too much. She says she always saw me as a friend , and nothing more, and says this change is taking her time.

I think you might have a point regarding the period. I think I have to start counting and not her LOL :stuck_out_tongue:… So I can be aware of the Punish Men Severly week,:open_mouth: some days in advanced.

We had the “love but not atracted” chat last sunday, and went to dine yesterday night. It wen’t really good. I was wearing some Edge, we had dinner and wine, and she was in a hugging mood. (not common)
So I’m not sure if it was… 1 the period being over, 2 the wine, 3 the Pheros
We enjoyed the evening. but that was it.. one “decent” good bye kiss.
I won’t see her till next week, cus I’m traveling.

I’ll see what can I order in a rush. We’d love to see more sample sized, a $200dls “test” run is too expensive.

Thanks again for your time, its greatly appreciated.
best wishes
Tonka

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Hey Tonka,

I feel bad for you dude, and this may sound a bit harsh, but while you and everybody posting here is trying to help you fix the problem and find the spark, I’m going to suggest that you take it back to a friendship. And, that you need to be the one to initiate that step.

Here’s my reasoning: You were friends for a long time, so she wasn’t looking at you sexually from the start of the “relationship”. Second, you cannot make a woman feel attraction for you if it’s just not there, and if it was there but she stopped “feeling it”, then it’s damn hard to get it back.

You can make a woman feel affection for you, which usually involves being their friend and maybe taking them out for lots of expensive dinners and buying them nice things, and generally acting like a wimp. But an attraction is either there or it’s not! All these products are designed to loosen up inhibitions, and increase existing desires. If the desire isn’t there to begin with, I don’t think anything will help.

If you starting acting all mushy and telling her how much you cared about her, putting her on a pedestal, caving to her every desire, and doing everything she wanted, that was probably the deal breaker too. I used to be that way myself, and it took me a LONG time to learn, but while all women say that’s the kind of guy they want, and they may even believe it, in reality they ALL view these type of men as spineless wimps, and it kills off any attraction they might have initially felt. Call it evolution or instinct, but women want their men to be strong, a bit mysterious, and provider types. Just take a look around, it’s the bad boy types that get all the women, and the nice guys are always chasing for their cast offs.

I know it sucks to hear it, but everything our mothers told us about how to meet, attract and how women should be treated was wrong! I have 2 failed marriages and a string of failed relationships for listening to my mother and treating women like princesses. I also had many relationships fizzle out after a short time. In most cases the guys that my ex’s ended up with didn’t treat them 1/10 as well as I did.

I think the best thing you can possibly do is to tell her that the relationship is obviously not working for either of you and that rather than it ending up ruining the friendship, you just want to go back to being friends. If there is ANY chance of kindling a spark, I think that’s going to be your best bet.

I would still take the advice of all the posters here and experiment with pheromones. Maybe you’ll get lucky and she’ll start to see you the way that you want her to. If not, there are plenty of other women out there to pick from. A lot of times it’s easier to start from scratch, than to try and fix something that’s already broken.

Regardless, I do feel for you and wish you the best of luck!

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Dear Mark in Dallas

You might be right. That’s one theory I’ve been thinking about.

I do treat women as princess, and do have them on pedestals, and again I do find it hard to stop treating them like so.

you have a point there.

thanks for your frank but helpfull reply, much appreciated.

best regards

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Dear Tonka,

You are welcome! Thanks for not lashing into me for saying what I did, but I felt that the only way to get the point across was to be completely frank. I’ve been there more times than I’d ever care to admit, and if there’s anything about women that I feel I could really pass along, it’s that they don’t say what they mean, or mean what they say!

And, my only expalianation would be that it has to be evolutionary! Women think they want guys to treat them like princesses, but looking back to ancient man, they had to have men that could take care of and protect them, and I think it has alot to do with it. They want to believe that they want and deserve to be treated well, but instinct tells them that they need a strong protector type.

It sucks for us nice guys, but if you can learn to play into it, the results will astound you! You’ve seen total goofballs with the hotest women. Look at how those idiots treat their women and you’ll start to understand.

Again, I wish you the best of luck!

Mark

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Dont worry Mark I am not about to lash into you… much LOL :wink:

I dont agree with all of what you have said. See I have this pet peeve about people lumping all people into one catogory.

I agree and disagree LOL. I think you can create attraction were there was none before. I have seen it done many times and I am not talking about with pheromones. But sometimes friendship is just that friendship.

Affection is not created by taking women out to eat and buying them things. Prehaps this misconception is what caused failure in past relationships you mentioned. I do agree that over doing that can make you seem sort of wimpy and attract the wrong kind of girls. Those looking for the free ride. I think your character creates affection. Women need to know you are there to provide and protect if needed but they dont nessarily want you to step in and do it all the time. Again I am not talking about all women because you cant lump them in all one catogory. Just like men are all different so are women.

Where are all these women who told you this is what we want? I think this what alot of men think we want. Again lumping them into one catogory. Women who dont know what they want are not women they are girls. Once we mature we know exactly what we want and once a guy figures that out on his own it signals that he is mature enough to provide it.

I am not a princess and frankly I dont want to be treated like one either. So I have to agree with you that this was not the correct advice from your mom allthough I am sure she ment well. I agree with alot of what you say. I think putting any person on a pedestal man or women by themselves is not a good idea. Its hard to balance up there and eventually someone is gonna fall and get hurt. Relationships where only one side is giving and the other side is taking are not good. Both of you should be balancing together on the pedestal and knowing that when one starts to fall off the other will pull them back up but they expect the same when its there turn to fall.

AHHH Mark you are talking from the burn. As for myself I mean what I say and I will 99,9% of the time say what I mean unless it is hurtfully and unnecessary. Most women I know do. Again I have to wonder where these women are who think so little of men and themselfs that they dont say what they mean. Stay away from those women and dont lump us all into the same catorgory because you ran across a few of them.

Let me tell you what a good majority of women want. We want a man to treat us with respect interest, consideration, and a man who is strong enough to expect… no demand the same in return. Relationships are give and take. They require balance or they just dont work. I think that what a person deserves is relative to what they give.

So while I agree with some of the things you are saying I want to really stress that all women, all men for that matter are not the same. You will come across those who think they are little princesses. Avoid them and look for the queen. She will be the one who treats you like the King :wink:

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Tisha,

I appreciate your comments and am not looking to bash heads either, but felt that this thread should continue a bit more.

I agree that attraction can be created were none existed before, and have also seen it happen myself. What was meant by that comment is that attraction is not created by anything the man does, but how he acts. If he acts wimpy and caves to the girls every want or desire it’s not going to happen. However, if he acts like a MAN and stands up for himself, all the while showing respect, interest and consideration, but not acting like the womens errand boy or gopher, then whe MAY start to see him in a different light.

I think we can both agree that attraction and affection are 2 totally different things, and not at all inertwined, and have no relation to one another. If you can have a women feeling affectionately toward you, that’s no indication of a pending or potential relationship.

I didn’t mean or intend to say that our mothers intentionally steered us wrong. I truly believe that my mother and I believe most of our mothers had only the best intentions for us. Why do you think most men think that women want to be put onn pedestals and treated like princesses? Do you think that we all got together and decided that’s what women want? No, that’s how our mothers told us we should treat you.

You see everything in life has told me that the vast majority of women want to date bad boys, but marry good guys. When we put you up on pedestals we are not really fulfilling your needs, but more what our parents tolds us you wanted and what yours told you was deserved.

Then after the woman marries they tend to grow tired of the good guy routine and want the mystic of the bad boy. I believe our mothers were only telling us what it was they looked for in selecting a husband and thought they were truly helping us.

If you still disagree, just look at any romance novel, and see what’s said about heat pounding, physical, got to have him now attraction. It’s always about a bad boy, and never about a stable, secure, welll mannered, treats her so well kind of guy. That’s attraction, and wimpy behavior doesn’t generate that type of butterfly in the stomache attraction.

None of what I’ve said, or am saying now is coming from having been burned, it’s coming from experience. I’ve learned that women want and expect a challange from their mates, just as men do. If we make it to easy and pursue and treat a women to well from the start, they tend to look elsewhere for something more challanging.

I would love to find a women that really wants to be treated like a queen and would treat me like a king in return, and if that’s truly you, then you are one in a million, and you ought to move to Texas, because we could have a truly amazing relationship.

Don’t take offense to that last sentence, but I would kill or die to find a woman who truly wanted to be treated like a queen and would treat me like a king.

When I said that women don’t say what they mean or mean what they say, I was not meaing to offend any female, I was more intending it to fit in with the testing that I talked about earlier.

Let’s face it, in our society men are expected to pursue the women, and if a woman has many suiters, she needs to be able to quickly sort them out and that’s where the testing comes in. I never said it was a bad thing, I just wanted to get accross to the men that they should efpect as much.

anyway, from what you’ve said about yourself and the people you know, if you’re not already taken, you will make an incredible partner for some lucky guy, and I really hope he’s worthy of you!

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I’m in agreeance with what you are saying Mark. Rep points for a well thought out post.

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Great Post Mark. I just wanted to point out that every women is not how you descibed. Like I mentioned I have a pet peeve with stereotyping.

I think we are pretty much agreeing here but we are just coming at it from different angles. The wimpy errand boy is not attractive.

Just a little side note. I work with mainly men and I can not stand when their wives call on their cell phones and you can just tell they are laying into them for something or telling them I need you to do this, get this, and pick up that, and they are just saying “yes dear”. Specially when I know damn well they have been sitting hom all damn day watching TV. It is unattractive and makes me wanna puke"

I dont know maybe my mom was different or the advice the girls got was different then the boys got. I will have to ask my brother who lives in Texas by the way LOL. Most girls were told boys are pigs and keep your legs shut. Not always that bluntly. snort :smiley: But my mom is blunt and so am I LOL.

See you need to define bad boy because it can imply many things. To me a Bad boy is a male with a Alpha personality. One who marches to the tune of his own drummer if you know what I mean. One that finds a balance by treating someone considerate but never being the lap dog.

Now this is true. I dont read traditional romance novels I read erotic romance but the concept is the same. But notice the Bad boy has perfect balance between his bad and nice sides in these books.

Thank you for the compliment because I really am that way. Except I am married to the King already. :wink:

I agree also that women want to be pursued other then having to do the pursuing. I posted in the mens forum about this so I wont go into it again that thread left me spent ( snort) I love that word.

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Sorry (((((TONKA)))) hugs :smiley: for invading your thread. Alots of good advice here though but back to pheromones. I still think they can help because to me the Bad boy aura is the same as the Alpha aura and you will get that from certain pheromones as well as a confidence boost. Primarily the Androstenone and Androsterone ones. So if you are having any of the problems Mark and I discussed they will help with that as long as you make a effort while using them.

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ok look, what would you consider for attracting a latino or a an asain women.