I’m a 23 year old guy from the Los Angeles, CA area. I would not consider myself to ever have been in a serious relationship, although I have had a couple girlfriends in high school, and I’ve dated 3 girls in the past 6 years.
I would say that I’m not an ugly guy, but I’m also not the kind of guy that girls pick out in a crowd. I’m the kind of guy that has to grow on a girl; I try and woo her with chivalry and all that jazz. Which usually ends up putting me in the friends-zone.
I’m 5’9, medium build. A little on the flabby side, but I keep pretty active. I played football for a year in high school, and soccer for 3 years. I’m a Gemini so I’m VERY social/outgoing, I love to go out and drink/dance, but I’m also a very romantic person.
And I have almost NO luck with girls. I tried Pheralure 2 years ago, and I thought it worked decently, but I wanna see if theres anything better out there. Any suggestions anyone?
Hey extra meat is a good thing, more meat is better than seeing skin and bones.
Ammo is a great product for giving off a sexy yet confident vibe, it also makes people respect you.
Tuth is excellent when your ready to have an intimate time with a women. It will arouse her, it’s passion in a bottle.
And there are socials ofcourse, instant shine is a must (it makes the wearer more confidence and people around them cheery), instant openness for socializing (makes people more chatty, they feel comfortable talking with you for a long time) and Instant honesty when you want an intimate conversation. Just be prepared at what you’re going to hear, sometimes it surprises me.
I would suggest Inshine Shine to make you and the other people around yoou feel good and happy and it will probably reduce personal space. Io to brake the ice so you can get conversation started easier and IH for deeper conversations.
Tell me how you got into the friend zone? Are you being a nice guy that’s buying her gifts, taking her out to dinner, complimenting her, and kissing her ass?
The general consensus is that I open them and get them interested, (and i hate to float my boat) but then because I’m a kind and caring person, they stick me in the friends zone.
People always tell me that I need to be an asshole, or whatever, but I’ve tried. I just can’t do it. Thats why I thought maybe I just lack pheromones or something, to make a woman chemically attracted to me. Is that ridiculous or could I be on to something.
You don’t have to be an asshole. Just don’t be the guy they can walk all over and treat you like shit. Woman are not attracted to nice guys, they are attracted dominant/alpha males.
There’s a book I recommend you get, it’s called “No More Mr. Nice Guy” by Robert A. Glover. It’ll tell you about non-approval seeking behavior, having standards in your life, and being happy with yourself before trying to make other people happy. I really would like for you to get this book.
For your situation, get Ammo and A314. Ammo will make girls attracted to you and it may even sexually arouse them. I’ve seen this work at my job and I catch a lot of woman staring at me more than once. If you ever catch them staring at you, try to hold the eye contact for as long as possible. It may feel very uncomfortable at first but it shows them that you’re dominant man!
As for A314, I’m getting mines tomorrow. I don’t have any experience with it yet but based on what other people here say, it makes you alpha, people will trust and respect you and I heard it’s good for using it on a girl that you want to get into a relationship with which I plan doing and I will let you know the results.
sorry for the late reply, my dog of 12 years died, we believe it was the 3 set of pills the vet gave us to give him for his skin condition, which wasn’t serious.
worse thing is i was out getting my mac on when he died
well back to you point a314 is great, and might work for you scines your very social, as u say,
A314 can give “respect distance” which makes u have to work harder to get them in.
but A314 is very good! i love it.
i may get flamed for this but… you might want try instant jerk… i almost NEVER see anyone recommend it to a newbie, for good reason to, makes u come off as well a jerk!
search around the forum for some post on it, if you haven’t already you should read the mens phero guide, Mens Pheromone Guide revised 6/15
one thing that pheromones have helped me with is changing my personality with or without pheros, they gave me the edge to interact with women more, and men, and learn to read them better so i know when i can pull out my douche bag card to bag a lady, or my rico suave card
Well I don’t know anything about pheromones yet, but I can tell you something. There are some women who might prefer physically attractive, fit men..but are very much NOT attracted to the “dominant” alpha male attitude, the cocky eye contact, the douchebaggery, or the jerk factor in the least bit. I was reading some of the descriptions on the male pheremones and I’m thinking…do chicks really want this? Well maybe some chicks do, but there are a number who do NOT and are actually physically repulsed by men with this personality type.
I’m one of those girls (dont really go for alpha males and deffinitely not cocky guys)… though I dont think guys should be too nice. I dont mind getting picked on a little just as long as the guy doesn’t go overboard .
Unless you’re Brad Pitt than yeah, but what if our friend rise here didn’t get lucky in the gene pool? I never said “cocky eye contact, acting douchbaggery or any jerk factor”. Our friend rise has a problem with being stuck in the friends zone, so let’s stay on topic and address his problems. This may be long rise but maybe it may help you why you are stuck in the friend zone.
THE MEETING STORIES
Here’s “Meeting Story #1”:
Boy is attracted to girl. Unfortunately, boy
doesn’t have a clue about how to make girl feel
ATTRACTION for him… so, instead he tries to
“pursue” girl by offering her dinners, gifts, and
flowers. Girl finds boy “nice”, but there are no
“sparks”, so she “just likes him as a friend.”
Here’s “Meeting Story #2”:
Boy is attracted to girl. Fortunately for him,
boy understands ATTRACTION, and begins to
communicate with girl in a way that makes her feel
a powerful physical and emotional response for boy
that she can’t control. The sparks fly, and boy
and girl “get together.”
As I’m sure you know…
In story #1, GIRL is in total control of the
situation and both of them know it.
In story #2, BOY is the one who’s in control of
the situation.
THE STORIES OF HOW THINGS “END UP”
Let’s assume that somehow, boy and girl
actually “get together”. Things usually go one of
two ways after that…
Here’s “End Up Story #1”:
Boy and girl get together. Boy realizes that he
“REALLY likes” girl. Boy begins to act more and
more predictable. Boy starts to share “how he
feels” about girl too often. Boy becomes more and
more submissive. Girl loses that feeling of
ATTRACTION that she once had for boy and has no
way of explaining or understanding why. Girl
leaves boy and boy is left wondering what
happened.
Here’s “End Up Story #2”:
Boy and girl get together. Boy understands that
no matter how much he likes girl, he cannot let
himself become a Wussy who chases girl around
“sharing how he feels” and becomes boring. Boy
keeps the relationship interesting and he keeps
challenging girl. Boy stays in control of himself,
and by understanding his role as “The Man” in the
relationship, keeps girl interested and attracted
to him into the future.
And again, as I’m sure you know…
In story #1, GIRL is in total control of the
situation and both of them know it.
In story #2, BOY is the one who’s in control of
the situation.
Ummm I am staying on topic as much as you are. Did you learn to speak to others like that from your reading “Women like alpha males” book? You told our friend Rise, what women like. "Woman are not attracted to nice guys, they are attracted dominant/alpha males.
As a woman, I merely pointed out. Not all women.
So Rise, as a reasonably attractive woman, I think I am somewhat of an authority of what SOME women like. I would think it might be most helpful to highlight your positive qualities (perhaps with the help of pheromones as well) rather than try to alter your personality to be something you really aren’t, imho.
You’re taking it the wrong way, you cannot really tell how someone sound because this is an online forum, there are no facial expressions or voice tonality so there’s no point in me trying act alpha.
If something isn’t working you, you’ll change it to get the results you want even if it means having to change a bit of your personality. If you been doing what you been doing, you’re going to continue to get what you been getting.
ill just pipe in, all girls want that nice guy whether they admit it like you, or not. but the fact of the matter is there far more females that want the alpha, d-bag, jerk then the nice guy. Iv tried the nice guy, i got laid… buy a girl(edit: i ment by, lol ) … ONE girl.
i was the friend of home coming queen, friend of cheer leaders JUST FRIEND.
i started reading MM and Style stuff, got more noticed and attraction from girls because of what i said,and i did, i stopped the nice guy.
now pheros i get tons more interaction with females, every where, it bettered me that i don’t have to use them all the time, but they put the iceing on the cake.
plain and simple all girls want the nice guy, but most girls arent attracted to the nice guy.
i just got home from a 2 set that turned to a 3 set and 3 numbers
It’s crazy but true. We want to date and have sex with the bad boy and we want to marry and have kids with the nice guy. I vote that we should be allowed to have both.
hahah sorry everyone. been workin’ a lot the past couple days. um..
BrunetteBeauty, I appreciate your input. But like Taibo said, I’ve worked my gentleman charm and chivalry nonstop, but its produced close to nothing. And I read this quasi-documentary/narrative by Neil Strauss called The Game. He’s a journalist that wanted to research the underground world of pick-up artistry, and ended getting sucked into the lifestyle. Theres some kind of unexplained psychology that accompanies it.
Bedojo, i’m sorry to hear about your dog
So you think I should use A314 instead of Ammo? or instant jerk? Money is kinda an issue though.. So lets say I had to buy one. Which one should it be?
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