Hello PheroTalk; Here's my story [insert enthusiasm here!]

Hello everyone. My name is Brandon. I am a young man nearing 24 years (although I usually call myself old) male residing in Indiana, USA. This state is definitely far from my favourite, but oh well. Personally, I consider myself to be a man of few words, but I think telling you my entire story would be best so that you all know why, when, how I got here and what it is that I hope to accomplish (but of course overall, you know I’m trying to get a woman’s attention). It might be a bit long, but I’ll try to stay on topic. If you find this too much to read, feel free to skip to the 4th paragraph (where I start talking about my job) or the last one pertaining to the pheremones.

Before I begin, maybe I should tell you a bit more about my own history so that everyone can get a better view/angle of where I’m coming from. Going back to the days as a kid in school and an adolescent in middle/high school, I was that typical “computer nerd” you see on TV (think of Steve Urkel from the old American TV show Family Matters). I had thick glasses, click pencils/pens in my shirt pocket, got high scores in math and science, video gaming expert and things of that nature. By nature, I’ve always been an extremely shy person when it came to approaching and/or talking to women. I often found myself getting crushes and called myself falling in love multiple times within a given school year. So there were a huge number of women I wanted to be friends with and beyond, but then as usual, my logic oriented mind would kick in and ask questions like:

  • “Are you sure you want to do this?”
  • “What if she says no?”
  • “What if she just pretends to like you like everyone else and then humilite you in the end?”
  • “Brandon, you know she’ll be boerd with your stupid computer hardware and video game talk. Why bother? You’re the most boring man on the planet!”
  • “What if she tries to reject you in the most painful and humiliating way possible like the rest of them do?”
  • “You know you won’t have anything interesting to say and your sense of humor sucks.”
  • “What if she already has a boyfriend? Then asking her out would be complete humiliation.”

Then I’d eventually just give in assuming the worst would happen or say to myself, “She’s just to pretty not to have a boyfriend.” so I’d back down and leave; Ending what possibly could have been the relationship of a lifetime.

The problem didn’t end after high school. It continued on into adulthood (although not as servere). I eventually did start trying a little harder to get a girlfriend, but all I ever got was “No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no and no again!”. Eventually I looked around on the internet for answers to why women don’t like me. I did read an advertisement for pheremones and thought it was a interesting read, but I didn’t try it due to the skeptism. Further reading led me to conclude that women don’t like “nice guys” like myself because in general they are just too boring. They usually prefer the jerk because he’s funny, more dynamic and appears to be more “manly” than “whimpy”. I knew that I wasn’t very funny or interesting to be around and I didn’t know how to be simply because I didn’t know what to say, and starting an interesting conversation was not something I was good at at all, so I never got much attention at all. The ones I did get attention (they approached me, not vice versa) from were mostly gold diggers that thought I’d be some kind of millionare because of my computer and programming skills, another one was between two men, the rest would just abandon me before we could even go on one lousy date! Nearly all of them wanted to take advantage of my overwhelming kindness as if it were a weakness that could be exploited for anything they wanted. I’ve been double crossed nearly 20 times already and as a result, I swore off women altogether because in the end I would always get my heart crushed further from little shards of glass to tiny particles light as sand, then they were just blown away in the wind by the last girl. For a long time I continued to say no to women and walked around with a heart of solid lead with a heavy pad lock that had no key to it. Overall, I was just downright mean about the whole woman thing. I didn’t call myself hating women, but I just hated hearing about all the stories similar to mine from other duped men that tried to be nothing but good boyfriends/husbands like myself, only to be double crossed in the end. I eventually fueled on the rage talking to co-workers about my negative experiences and sharing opinions online. The more negative things I said about women because of my unrelenting anger, the more I realized that I really did begin to hate women.

About my job, it’s a small plant where we make chemicals usually used in cars, or household cleaning/maintenance materials with about 20 production lines. I’m usually on line #1. The line leader’s name is Raylene and her daughter Ashley works on the same line. They are a real pleasure to work with and they really lighten up my day unless they are in a bad mood for some reason. There are some really nice people working there. There’s a guy there named Joel (on line #3), and he cracks me up because his overwhelming goofyness is beyond hillarious! :smiley: Ok, back on topic (sorry), lol. Most people that get hired there usually go through a temporary employment service. That’s how I got hired into the company. A few months after I was hired into the company, some new temp workers had started their first few days. Most of them I never really noticed, but there was one girl that was among the group that stood out and became forever etched into my mind. She didn’t appear to talk much at all, but it was her lovely reddish orange hair that initially got my attention, but in my opinion, even though she doesn’t look exactly like a celebrity, her geougeous looks were completely unique and unlike anything I’ve seen before (well, actually I did know one girl from high school that looked somewhat similar to her). Honestly, I never looked at her boobs, butt, or even wonder how she looked naked because quite frankly, I’m not a pervert! I even didn’t know her name at the time and tbh, I didn’t care. I had already sworn off women due to my previous bad experiences and told myself things to get me off of her. This woman was subconciously on my mind quite frequently. At that point I felt as if I was struck by cupid’s arrow. If I was, then I either pulled it out and tossed it aside, shook it off or maybe it didn’t hit me in the right spot. I tried to call myself trying to be as boring and unappealing as possible. I really don’t think she really thought I was trying to do such a crazy thing. Cupid’s arrow kept hitting me from time to time, but I would continuously fight off the feelings inside me. Eventually, a slow period came along in the company where most of the time, the temp workers either didn’t work at all, or just a select few were called in to work. More often than not, she wasn’t one of them. So recently, the temp workers have been making a comeback and more workers have been around the plant. The woman I was reffering to before has also came back. I continued to try to kill off my internal feelings for her, but they just didn’t appear to be working as well as before.

Not too long after my personal attack on my own feelings, I found myself working with her on the same production line, #10 (last week actually). I was working right by her (not quite next to, but not quite face to face either). This time I felt quite nervous being around her. What I started to do was act taciturn so maybe she wouldn’t really notice or pay much attention to me. I felt cupid’s arrow continue to hit me. This time, it felt as if cupid was starting to get to me, and I couldn’t ignore the arrows bouncing off me much longer. 2 days after that, I was back on line #1 and I was packing the product with Lady Ashley as it comes off the production line. The line leader of line #3 (remember Joel?) asked Raylene to trade one of his workers for me because a particular product Joel was running on his line required my expertise to impress the visitors comming to observe Fas-Pak’s method of production on that particular product. On the next line over (line #2), there she was again! At this point I knew it was only a matter of time before my feelings for her would overwhelm me. I continued to ignore my feelings for her regardless. Now comes the day before St. Valentine’s day, and I’m on line #3 once again. This time I find the girl working on the same line as me once again. I tried to resist my feelings again, but this time it was no use. Cupid’s arrow hit my soft spot like a ton of bricks this time (that or God was punishing me for beginning to hate his greatest creation)! After that, I said to my self, “Oh, who am I kidding?? I’m madly in love with her!” and completely gave into my feelings. So here I am, feeling what I’d never feel for another woman again, love (not lust)! I even found out her name, it was Rochelle. All day I couldn’t stop saying it in my head. I felt as if she had cast a spell on me! The whole day of work, I couldn’t get my mind off of her for anything. I tried to think of other things to see if I could, but nothing worked. As I was working, I found myself fantasizing about fulfilling her every need, breakfast in bed, going out to fancy restaraunts, buying her expensive jewelry, vacations, italian candle lit dinners, even marriage with childeren naming my first born daughter after her and the seemingly endless list of romantic activities went on and on. TBH, sex was still not one of those fantisies. During break time(s), I found myself thinking of her more and more. This next piece I can’t confirm yet, but when I think about it, she appears to ocassionally watch me from a distance. I wanted to talk to her, but as usual, I didn’t really know what to say. Eventually, we do get a brief moment to exchange a few words (we’re usually busy) and every time she’d talk to me, she would smile from ear to ear it seemed like. I felt a little more comfortable around her, but I eventually started to get scared that she would just say “I’m just a friend” and I want to be more than just friends.

Since we finished early on our production line, everyone had to go home about 1 hour early… everyone except Rochelle. I felt a little sad that I had to leave early because I enjoyed her presence so much, but in the end, I felt too shy to let her know how I feel about her. When I got home, all I could think about was her. The name Rochelle and her beautiful face would echo in my mind day and night. I felt as if my love for Rochelle was eating a hole in my heart because I didn’t have the confidence to win her heart. My cousin Aaron noticed that I was acting a little different that day so he asked what was on my mind. Then I told him about the the woman I had feelings for. Since Aaron had heard my so called “puppy love” stories before, he said “Man, c’mon! Just go out with her!!! You never know…”. After listening to what Aaron had to say, I thought about my entire love life as a whole. It was empty, and yet full of failure. I remembered something my dad told me before he died. He said, “If the woman comes after you, chances are she’s not the one for you. The man should be the one brave enough to ask/propose to her!” The feelings I had for her just got stronger and stronger and I began to say to myself, “That’s it! I’m not going to just let this one get away from me! So unless she has a boyfriend that I don’t know about, if there’s a way to win her heart and put a ring around her finger, I’m going to find it!” All during St. Valentine’s day, I could think of nothing but her, just like yesterday. I began using my love for her to motivate me to become a better, stronger, more responsible, proactive and more mature man just for her, subconsiously. I eventually catch wind of what this love is making me do and I realize that my feelings for any woman in the past has ever made me do things like this before; It also made me think to myself that having a good girlfriend would also motivate me further into other things. My Aunt Evelyn always told me that it’s not good for man to be alone, and I guess now I see why having a girlfriend/wife can be a good thing.

I knew that in my current status/condition, the chances of her liking me as a potential husband is rather low. I mean really, what girl wants a guy that lives in his grandma’s attic because his brother screwed him over out of his rental house, and doesn’t even own a car? So I got back on the internet and searching for ways to win her heart. I remembered about pheremones and how they worked, so I did a google search on them. Before finding this link, I read a disturbing story about how most pheremone solutions are scams. One was found to contain female dog pheremones and began attracting packs of horny dogs. As I started to think that pheremones weren’t worth the risk, I found this site dedicated to pheremones before I gave up my search. The information, reviews and other hints blew me away and I was instantly thinking “Hey, this could be just the right thing I need to get Rochelle’s attention!” So here I am posting my story so you all will know what has drawn me to seek the council of Pheremonetalk.com! So to make a long story short, I don’t believe that I’ve ever felt love this strong before and I don’t want it to die; I want to have for once in my life time… a R-E-A-L relationship with a woman that I’m truely in love with!

Now that I’ve told you my entire story (if you read it all), let’s talk pheremania, lol! I read the beginner guide to pheremones posted elsewhere already. I really found it to be quite informative and educational. Not that I don’t feel sexually attracted to her, but sex isn’t my main goal to be with her. Although I do want to experience intimacy with her, but I want that to come down later on. I read that some pheremones are “offensive” in the work place and that’s what I don’t need. What I’d like to do is put together a combination of pheremones that will make her interested in talking to me more and become more interested in me as a potential boyfriend in general, not to mention something that would make me feel a bit more confident talking to her. What combinations would you recommend? Also, I have a non-pheremone related question. When talking to a woman, what do they like to hear men talk about in general? What is a good conversation starter? I just don’t feel comfortable coming down heavily with words like, “Hey baby? How you doin’? Can I get your number?” and such. In general, I just don’t want to blow it.

So, what can you all say about my situation? Is there a chance? Thank you for hearing me out and have a good day.

Shogun.

Hey Shogun, Welcome.

for starters, I would remove some of the more personal information from your post: full name, company for example. There is a certain amount of discretion I feel is warranted with this subject.

I’m not a veteran member, but…

Without knowing the age of your target girl, here it goes.
If I could recommend a few products, for your age, I would recommend Ammo, Ishine, IH, and IO. (Disclaimer, I have not tried Ishine). IMO, you want to stick to the less aggressive phero’s until both of you feel comfortable talking about <borat> “sexy time” </borat>.

ammo makes me feel well balanced and ready to take on the world.
IH really causes people to disclose things to me, but I already have that nature built in.
IO tends to make younger crowds very bubbly and talkative, but I’ve personally found it affects older people less.
My ace in the hole is TUTH for when I want her to feel antsy.

Just remember though, phero’s is only the last 10% of the battle. You have to front the first 90%. The pheros are there to give you an edge, not win the war for you. :smiley:

Enjoy!

Excuse me a moment while I stare in awe.

All right. Welcome to the forum, Brandon! I’d have to agree with wilks about removing your company name and full name, but everything else is fine, I think. It seems that both you and Rochelle are shy, so my first suggestion would be to try Instant Honesty and start up a conversation. Instant Honesty helps to build trust more quickly than it might otherwise be gained, and would help her to feel more comfortable around you. That mixed with a little Instant Shine would give you a vibrant air that I think would be very attractive to a shy girl, especially since you aren’t super-outgoing. There would be a sort of quiet, happy confidence about you and she would feel her trust growing. You could also try Ammo, but I would only try it in quite small doses. I haven’t used it that much though, so someone else might be able to give better advice about that. Good luck!

Also, yes. I think there’s a chance. I don’t have much experience, so I’m not going to try to offer any advice on what to talk about, because I can’t help but like you after your introduction post, and I want to see you succeed and don’t want to ruin your chances by giving bad advice. Good luck!

Ok, I edited the post a bit to hide my full name and my actual company name (hopefully no one I know already read that, lol).

I’ll definitely take a look a those. Can’t wait to get the $25 GC! This is so exciting. I’m just hoping no other scents interfere with the pheromones at the plant.

Don’t worry about other scents interfering with the pheros. They work by triggering certain receptors that are separate from those involved with detecting scents. That’s why you can cover pheros with your own colognes. Most people don’t even have a scent. A couple, like androstenone, do, but even androstenone isn’t detected as a smell by most people.

This is one amazing post man. The entire story was a great read, intriging, and very interesting. I read the whole story haha; it was well worth the time :smiley:. I would suggest the social pheromones that have already been recommended. Instant Honesty, Instant Openness, Instant Female Magic, Instant Shine, Instant Gentleman, AMMO. As far as your success with this girl, I would say you have a very good chance. I would recommend you practice in front of the mirror a sample scenerio of talking to her. Notice your body language, and your facial expressions, and adjust as you see fit. There is a good post on body language that Tisha can direct you to, I believe. Other than that, just talk to her on your breaks, get to know her, show her that you are really interested in her as more than friends, and ask for her phone number later on, and definately ask her out for dinner, or at a coffee lounge or something. The movies is a bad idea to take a date, because it doesnt allow you time to talk to each other. Good luck with your female lover *wink…and have fun with your pheromones!

Hello Welcome to Pherotalk :slight_smile:

Well she seems to have some interest so I would say you have a chance. Your quite a writer there but I kinda had the urge to slap you and yell “snap out of it” like Cher did to Nick Cage in moonstruck LOL No offense I am happy you finally realized you cant judge all women by what happens in your late teens. Most women don’t know what the heck they want at that age they just like attention. Ahhh but this girl seems a bit special though I must admit.

Just be yourself. I am sure she is nervous as well and quite possibly is thinking the very same thing you are. "what should I say "

The best way to get a conversation going and keep it flowing is this. make a statement follow with a question. People reciprocate, its in our nature so when we ask a question they automatically respond. I am not saying fire her with question after question but try to always end your statement with one.

Like suppose your on a break… This is just a lame example but I am trying to give you a outline of reciprocating.

Opening statement… Hi, Glad to see the company brought you back. How are you doing ?

She reponds… Fine how are you ?

You …I am great just gonna grab myself a donut here. You like donuts ?

She responds … No I am on a diet.

You… Really, you don’t look like you need to be. How about coffee ?

She responds … Sure I like coffee.

Really, me to I always stop at the bucky stars on the way to work because I cant start my day without it. Would you like to go for coffee sometime ?

She responds… Umm sure

Pick the time and place right then. Never wait to decide later.

My point is to keep things flowing you make statements followed by questions. Its the dance of attraction. You lead she follows. Be sure to listen when she speaks. I know when your moonstruck you can just gaze and see her mouth moving but not get what is being said, This is normal LOL.

Observe her, You will pick up things to talk about. Like is she carrying a book or a paper bag from a certain store. All these observations can help you break the ice and find subjects to talk about. The more comfortable you get talking the deeper the subject matter will go so don’t worry if its nothing profound right off the bat.

Practicing in the mirror really does help so that was good advice from revivia.

Learning body language, not only being able to read it but using it to signal helps. There is a basic link in my signature below.

I would go deeper into this but I don’t want to overwhelm you.

Now lets give you a little pheromonal edge :smiley:

I suggest Ishine for a charismatic warm charm. This can boost your own confidence as well.

IH to help you connect and converse more deeply. For instance with IH on she is more likely to give longer less clipped responses like I had her doing in my example above. So instead of saying “sure I like coffee” she may say. “Yes I love coffee, I cant live with out the big gulp from the deli down my street. My favorite is French vanilla.”

See she just gave you a whole shit load of things to talk about. Coffee flavors. the deli on her street. Where does she live ? See your moving into more personal subjects. Thats why you need to pay attention to what she is saying so you can pick up on those key words. Big gulp, deli street French vanilla

Finally AMMO, I know you not lusting but hey causing her to mildly lust never hurts :smiley: AMMO is sexy interesting mildly arousing. Gives you that “hey I would like to know that guy better” edge.

Good Goddess I could go on and on OK I will stop but you did ask LOL :stuck_out_tongue:

There now you have three areas of attraction and interaction you can work on..

Visual … Body language… verbal … recipricating… olfactoy… Pheromones.

I would say you have a great chance :wink:

Your GC is on its way

If you need help let me know.

Tisha
Hostess/Guide

Sorry for not getting to reply earlier, but work comes before internet time I’m afraid.

I am indeed very grateful for all of your kind words and positive input, I really feel more confident with things of this nature now that I’ve come here! :slight_smile:

Anyway, I think I might want to share this with you all though. It seems that I’ve been sorta “mislead” with this woman. Everyone I asked told me that she didn’t have a boyfriend previously (which was probably one reason why I got my hopes up). It turns out she had a boyfriend all along. I’m assuming that they really didn’t know because they didn’t sound sure from the beginning either. For the most part, I assumed that because any “ruby” as shiny and finely shaped as well as that one can’t remain single in my town for long; I just had to know for sure. I’m not really hurt or anything, but I did just need to spend the evening to break the attachment while I was ahead. Although to be honest, I did sit in my chair for a while thinking to myself, “Man! Why are all the good ones taken around here?”. Don’t get me wrong, I know there are good ones, but it appears that in this particular area of the US (that many of my co-workers call “The armpit of America without the deodorant”) the women are really “shallow” on a massive scale. Other male co-workers also agree on this, especially those who have live in other places like myself. I still like her a little though. Just in case you’re wondering why I referred to Rachelle as a “Ruby”. Have you ever just observed a woman/girl and realized that not only is she gorgeous, but [at least appears] to have everything else you want in a woman? Ever heard of the term “Rare Gem” used? When I see her shiny reddish-orange hair and pink coat, that “Rare Gem” can only be compared to one precious stone, a “Ruby”! Also, I’m not saying that there’s no one else in the world for me, but at work there really aren’t very many choices that fit me.

Actually, all of this didn’t just happen in my late teens, but childhood, early teens and well into adulthood. That’s why I called my self swearing off women because even after high school, I was still getting double crossed and the last incident happened less than a year ago! Even though I’m not in the mindset I previously posted before at the top of this thread, but I do have a fear that I might go back the way I was. Probably not, but I guess I just have to remind myself.

So for now, I guess I’ll try to focus on more important things for now such as moving back to Seattle and finishing by business plan. The field of business I’m working towards requires lots of time (sacrificing weekends and a social life which I can live without for a while), so I guess I won’t really have time for relationships.

Even though my original goal is out the window, I still would like to stick around the forums because everyone here is so nice to me, and I’d still like to learn about other pheros. I guess I’ll still go for the Instant Shine so that everyone else around me can feel a bit happier from time to time because mondays are so depressing at work. I was looking at A314 when I first got here, do you think that would help me be more successful at job interviews? If so, then I’d happily try it!

Thanks again for everyone’s kind words and advice. If I ever fall in love again, I’ll know what to do and I’ll be more ready than ever before :smiley:

Shogun.

Sweety your only 23, Sure your a man now but you havnt been in adulthood all that long and you avoided women for most of it. You gotta a lot of opportunity ahead of you both romantically and professionally. :wink:

She didnt mislead you, you never asked her if she had a boyfriend. Maybe her boyfriend is a dickhead. She dosnt have a reason to break up with him though. It cant hurt to be friendly with her and get to know her. You never know what may transpire down the road. Plus its good practice for later.

A314 would be good for this as well as Ishine. There is a time for everything under the sun. Time for work and time for play. I understand your business plan is important and you need to follow that but do get out there and interact with the world. Even if its not to find a girl but to just be social and become a more well rounded person. Whether you know it or not it will help you acheive your business plans

Tisha

I’ll put this in terms you can understand:

Han Solo

Girls love when a guy acts like Han Solo. In control of his own destiny, helpful towards the greater good, a little cocky but not a jerk (bust her balls in a funny way), not afraid to speak his mind, and goes the extra mile, loyal, honest, blunt, charismatic, and funny in his own way, brave, courageous, etc etc.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR GETTING THE GIRL, IS TO BE A CHALLENGE! Girls will always go for the guy who is more of a challenge, who isn’t ‘easy’ and submissive (cause that’s boring). Cindy Lauper was right, girls just wanna have fun. Fun is paramount.

Find a girl who will go to Comicon with you. Some girls find different things to be FUN, some girls like LAN parties, some girls like photography, some girls like camping, but the point is to find a girl that can have fun with you in what YOU enjoy doing. Or to find a girl who you can have fun with.

I had the same problems as you buddy, then I spent a few years reading the articles at AskMen.com - Free Men’s Online Magazine (sorry if it’s against TOS to mention other websites). Askmen has become pretty lame in the last 2 years, so I would recommend going to the archives of the ‘Dating & Love’ and ‘Sexuality’ sections.

You can also, and I highly recommend this, download some torrents of David DeAngelo on mininova.org or another torrent site (I’m sure you have a bitorrent).

Some good ones are:

(and I’d recommend the audio tracks over the e-books)

Mastery With Women ------------- This will help you to form a persona that is still ‘yourself’, but enhanced in a way that women admre.
Sexual Communication --------------There’s so many levels of communication, just like with pheromones..this helps with body language and how to talk to women.
Cocky Comedy --------------------(this works best out of anything)

If you wanna really get the girl AND KEEP HER, read and listen to everything David DeAngelo has ever done. He is the master.

Being a nerd isn’t a bad thing man, I’m a geek and I always get the girl. In fact, you’d be surprised how many amazingly hot girls play computer games. I have about 40 reptiles and amphibians in my room, I play computer games, I even have 350 Star Wars action figures (though they’re in boxes now…). Girls are geeks too, they like stuff like that. It’s the media that tells you that they don’t.

Remember: Han Solo
Plus the pheromones won’t hurt at all!

May the pheromone force be with you!

-Brock