Ok, tonight I was at a Xmas (Indie Rock n Roll party) in town, I decided to try out wearing some pheromones (stuck with Instant Shine and Ammo), I was there with two mates we all had a really good night. They decided to go back early due to work I decided to stay out later to try out the pheromones and as they start work early in the morning and I don’t start till 12.30.
For personal reasons I’ve cut down my drinking so all I had to drink was two JD’s and Coke and one Sambuca jelly.
Earlier in the night I’d met a friend (Hannah) I’d had a thing for a few months back and was introduced to her friend (Hayley). Both were quite flirty and were wearing very revealing tops. I joked with them about this and they also had a helium balloon which I used as a prop to flirt with them.
Later when my friends had gone as I walked past they invited me over to the leather couch they were chilling on and I started taking several photos of them with Hannah’s digital camera, also they took photos with me and the girls and I had my arm around Hannah’s friend (Hayley)'s shoulder. I got talking to them and Hannah now works with Hayley in the same pub (one I go to quite regularly and then I recognised Hayley as a barmaid there). We just had general convo and a bit of flirting Hayley said she dropped out of a Animation degree. We joked about her being a geek. Hannah then started telling me she was becoming a lesbian again, she used to be bi, I got joking about her having lesbian tits and carressed her breasts playfully.
For some time I’d had my arm round Hayley and she seemed a little anxious, holding her hand to her mouth and other nervous female body language. I said I can move my arm if she minded but she said she “just wasn’t used to it”, I continued to carress her arm and shoulder as we chatted, she still seemed a little shy or nervous in her body language, I asked her if she was shy and teased her about this, good eye contact and body language between us, continued to tease her about being shy, I then kissed her which turned into a full blown snog and she even nibbled on my lip and I sucked her tongue mmmmm after this I had my arm around her for a little longer and she still seemed nervous. Hannah went to the bar and I caressed Hayley for a bit longer, but I couldn’t get her to kiss me again or stop “being shy”, I went to the toilets re-applied some more pheromones and about five minutes later after I got back Hayley went off to look for Hannah, who came back and we sat down for about another 10 minutes. Then Hayley went off and Hannah came to the edge of the sofa and touched my hand, she got me to hold her glass of wine and she seemed to lean her vagina (through her skirt) to touching my hand. After that she said Hayley will be back in a bit and I waited a while but then I didn’t think they were coming back and went off to speak to some other guys I know.
Any explanations for all this? I’m quite confused with the mixture of body language etc. I do have a bit of anxiety myself but it sure looks like the pheromones did something tonight.
Im not sure but i think it was the pheros !!!
and let me just ask you these
have you find youre dosage for each of the pheros that you use that day and how much did you put on !!!
cause im not sure but i think it was the quantity of -none
cause when you have alot of -none girls might get intimidated , shy and confused !! but ill do some research on that an i let you know as soon a posible ok broo take it easy !!!
peace out
To be honest I haven’t got my own personal mix quite right, reasons are, I use Instant Shine quite heavily as it helps me with anxiety (one of the only things that does help anxiety tbh tried medications and other technqiues), so to make up for the fact I use a lot of Instant Shine I use quite a lot of Ammo too. Kind of thinking that I need to make the Ammo noticeable and not lost or overcrowded in the Shine…
Usually I’ll put on 4 sprays of Shine to start the night, 2-4 sprays of Ammo. I’ll usually re-apply 2 or 3 times through the course of the night.
I’m thinking I may be better with 4x Strength Instant Shine maybe and adding either some openness and/or instant female magic.
to be honest you probably overdosed…you told us she backed away more when you reapplied…a little goes a long way, so i suggest putting less on next time
Thats a whole lot of AMMO if your reapplying 2 to 3 times a night. The opening was there before you reapplied,
I gotta laugh cause in my mind I am imagining those little ammo molecules saying “Come on dude, I got her, make your move”
While IFM would have made getting past the last minute resistance it also a good ideal to work on your game. Think back on your night and pin point the moment you lost her then think of what you could have done differently so next time you will be able to combat that resistance and make her more comfortable on your own.
My take on it, Hayley is just more nervous and shy then Hannah. Hannah is bi and probably more experienced and confident. She will be more blatant and open to sexual body language. Hayley needed more comfort and assurance. She moves slower then Hannah. I think the mones defiantly attracted her but remember mones wont always make a person ready to move into a sexual situation right away. They sure make them consider it though.
That’s all good advice thanks man, I am very aware that pheromones won’t work on their own, without at least some game their useless as should be very obvious to most.
Main question here is if I put a lot of Instant Shine on will this in anyway affect the amount of Ammo I need to use? i.e. will the Shine in anyway overpower the Ammo?
I’m thinking of getting some 4x Strength Shine and another Ammo as I only have a small amount left. Also is a bit of A314 worthwhile? I look very young for my age, nearly everyone comments on this mainly due to very limited facial hair growth, runs in the family…
OK there’s a couple of things you had going on with Game, that could have created bad tension.
Conversation should have been interesting. General conversations are boring and anyone can have them. She was giving you clues, by bringing up her sexual preference. It was a big shit test, and you might have handled it better. Playful is good, but not when getting those types of stops. She was basically telling you she thought you were interested in only sex and you failed. Sorry, but I’m being truthful and you asked for it.
You should have come back with something like “OMG you like me, how cute!” By playing into her test, and then using it as a reason to actually test her, she baited you and you took the line.
This girl was really into you, but you sought her validation when you asked if you should remove your arm. Socially aware guys don’t ask, we just adjust. You might have pulled your arm away and then said you are moving way to fast for me girl. It creates mad tension!
Then unfortunately you got into foreplay (kissing with tongue is foreplay). Again no tongue, only lip kissing and you should have pulled away and accused her of being bad. You basically had sex with her on the couch in front of everyone. Here slut mechanism kicked in and she felt remorse for what she did.
OK there’s a couple of things you had going on with Game, that could have created bad tension.
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We just had general convo and a bit of flirting Hayley said she dropped out of a Animation degree. We joked about her being a geek. Hannah then started telling me she was becoming a lesbian again, she used to be bi, I got joking about her having lesbian tits and carressed her breasts playfully.
Conversation should have been interesting. General conversations are boring and anyone can have them. She was giving you clues, by bringing up her sexual preference. It was a big shit test, and you might have handled it better. Playful is good, but not when getting those types of stops. She was basically telling you she thought you were interested in only sex and you failed. Sorry, but I’m being truthful and you asked for it.
You should have come back with something like “OMG you like me, how cute!” By playing into her test, and then using it as a reason to actually test her, she baited you and you took the line.
-True, good point will take this on board.
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I’d had my arm round Hayley and she seemed a little anxious, holding her hand to her mouth and other nervous female body language. I said I can move my arm if she minded but she said she “just wasn’t used to it”,
This girl was really into you, but you sought her validation when you asked if you should remove your arm. Socially aware guys don’t ask, we just adjust. You might have pulled your arm away and then said you are moving way to fast for me girl. It creates mad tension!
Again, your right on that one thanks.
Then unfortunately you got into foreplay (kissing with tongue is foreplay). Again no tongue, only lip kissing and you should have pulled away and accused her of being bad. You basically had sex with her on the couch in front of everyone. Here slut mechanism kicked in and she felt remorse for what she did.
Hmm, interesting that, I only started with lip kissing, she was the one who moved onto tongue kissing to start with, I went back to lip kissing, then I sucked her tongue, but then she started nibbling on my lip and pulling it gently. So you think I should have stopped at the tongue.
You know, I have nothing against making out with a girl in the middle of a party, the NYSE, or in church (gasp). But I’ve also learned there’s value in discretion. Allow the girl her privacy, she might not be assertive enough to say, hey, I wanna have some fun, but let’s go somewhere private.
When you see the tension come to a point where you’re going in for anything past basic physical touching – Hands, arms around shoulders/waist, etc – turn the conversation towards a private direction (I assume this private connection has already been established, if not, establish it.), mentally isolating the two of you, then ask her if she wants to go somewhere else. That somewhere else can be the dance floor (anonymity within the crowd), your/her room, a closet, a bathroom stall (not that private, but people can’t see who it is), etc..
From there, she doesn’t have to worry about potentially negative social consequences for being so sexual in public and she can allow herself to relax.
Phya, as usual, is 100% correct. Privacy is great too.
Yes, even though you only started with lip kissing and she pushed it, you are the man and need to be dominant and confident enough to stop her and either say lets move, or lets stop. Women will push you sometimes, even if they know that when a guy they like goes to far its over, just to see how far you will go. Cross the line, even though she crossed it first and you are still out. Slow down tiger
The relationship might not be over, but in most instances its not easy to recoup from the anti-slut mechanism once it’s kicked in.
I hate to butt in here, being a girl and all, but the advice here has been so great, it really reaffirms how terrific you all are. And Steve, my Gawd, man! Do you know women or what?!!
Steve is absolutely correct about women pushing you to see if you have the control or not. The way it played out, she was controlling your reactions, not the other way around, and it disappointed her, and most likely she left thinking that you think she is easy (and easy = low value). That dynamic is very hard to overcome, yes! She’s prolly very skittish to you now. The only way to recoup is to totally cool to her, maybe the exact opposite of what you want. Talking will only make it worse.
A really good thing to have done here (when she introduced the lip nibbling and tongue) would have been to (gently) break the tension by staying close, but pulling back a little and offering to give her a little space to compose herself. Maybe you could have offered to get her something to drink, and made a close, quiet comment like, “I really get to you, don’t I?” and given her a smile. That way you would have let her know you weren’t rejecting her advances, and were in tune with the ramped up vibe, but you would have stayed in control.
And believe me, a guy with control is very appealing to a woman.
Heh! My husband taught me that one… it makes for mad sexual tension. It works well when the guy both pushes and pulls, too… but that is a really fine line!
Steve Steve Steve, you amaze me man. Kuuuuudos! Incidentally, have you ever seen the movie “The Tao of Steve”? If so, any thoughts? If not, you should really see it!
after this I had my arm around her for a little longer and she still seemed nervous. Hannah went to the bar and I caressed Hayley for a bit longer, but I couldn’t get her to kiss me again or stop “being shy”, I went to the toilets re-applied some more pheromones and about five minutes later after I got back Hayley went off to look for Hannah, who came back and we sat down for about another 10 minutes. Then Hayley went off and Hannah came to the edge of the sofa and touched my hand, she got me to hold her glass of wine and she seemed to lean her vagina (through her skirt) to touching my hand. After that she said Hayley will be back in a bit and I waited a while but then I didn’t think they were coming back and went off to speak to some other guys I know.
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